Kylie's Pool Challenge

[Kylie]

From AV's Pool Challenge thread...

Take a look at this picture:

Let's say someone set these balls down this way.

Later, someone looking at it says, "Nice break."

Was he wrong?

Now, I looked at this and thought that the situation wasn't taking into account everything it should have. So I presented an alternative situation...

Let's say someone broke, and then a second person wrote down a statement claiming that he had not broken, but had simply placed the balls in this position. Later, a third person comes in, reads the documentation and concludes that the documentation MUST be right, and anyone who says the balls reached this position as a result of regular play is terribly wrong. The third person refuses to consider any alternative, and claims, "The documentation says it, that settles it!"

Is the third person right?

 

[SkyWriting]

From AV's Pool Challenge thread...

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Now, I looked at this and thought that the situation wasn't taking into account everything it should have. So I presented an alternative situation...

Let's say someone broke, and then a second person wrote down a statement claiming that he had not broken, but had simply placed the balls in this position. Later, a third person comes in, reads the documentation and concludes that the documentation MUST be right, and anyone who says the balls reached this position as a result of regular play is terribly wrong. The third person refuses to consider any alternative, and claims, "The documentation says it, that settles it!"

Is the third person right?

One would need to take into account the reputation
for honesty of the writer. If they had a history of
fabrication. Or if they had motive to lie that would
potentially ruin their future reputation.

In Illinois, a large number of scientists signed onto
research supporting Cold Fusion. They were seeking
to be famous, but it turned out that the researcher
had falsified his findings. A bad gamble on the reputation
of a co-worker.

All historical events are a matter of faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is the third person right?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

One would need to take into account the reputation for honesty of the writer.

He may not know the author of the documentation though; let alone how honest he is.

What would really help, however, would be bumper stickers, edifices, hymns, carols, iconography and other things attesting to his integrity.

 

[frienden thalord]

If one truly Knows the one who knows all, then they wont be deceived or tricked
by any lie.
HOW bout that for a SOLUTION.

 

[Chesterton]

...iconography...

Why thank you, AV! Happy New Year, too.

 

[frienden thalord]

He may not know the author of the documentation though; let alone how honest he is.

What would really help, however, would be bumper stickers, edifices, hymns, carols, iconography and other things attesting to his integrity.

The Bible says it, that settles it

 

[Speedwell]

The Bible says it, that settles it

I like that. Usually what creationists say is more along the lines of "The Bible says what I tell you it says, whether you agree with me or not, and that settles it."

 

[Kylie]

One would need to take into account the reputation
for honesty of the writer. If they had a history of
fabrication. Or if they had motive to lie that would
potentially ruin their future reputation.

In Illinois, a large number of scientists signed onto
research supporting Cold Fusion. They were seeking
to be famous, but it turned out that the researcher
had falsified his findings. A bad gamble on the reputation
of a co-worker.

All historical events are a matter of faith.

Assume you have no idea who the writer is.

 

[frienden thalord]

I like that. Usually what creationists say is more along the lines of "The Bible says what I tell you it says, whether you agree with me or not, and that settles it."

Sadly lots of false ones do say that . heck look at our churches.
twisting doctrine to suit THEIR OWN MAN MADE THEOLOGY.
My advice we better read the bible for ourselves daily and hours daily
Their aer still some who will preach the truth the way it should get said.
But even these must be tested always . My advice , READ the bible for yourself
and seek HIM with all the heart . Ps, I stay out of the creation versus etc camp.
HECK no I don't support evolution in the least . But my mission is to preach JESUS
and remnd all, HE aint no minister of sin either . His sayings obeyed and loved. ALL of them.
its so simple

 

[Kylie]

No.

So, once again, we are agreed that a person can believe the documentation and be wrong.

We should check the actual situation of the pool table to see if the documentation about it is correct, shouldn't we?

 

[Kylie]

He may not know the author of the documentation though; let alone how honest he is.

What would really help, however, would be bumper stickers, edifices, hymns, carols, iconography and other things attesting to his integrity.

Okay, you have to be joking here. It's hard to tell sometimes.

"I have analysed the position of the balls on the table and determined that they can NOT have reached this position after a single shot."

"Yeah, but I have a bumper sticker, and this other guy here is singing a song about it, so clearly you're wrong!"

 

[Kylie]

If one truly Knows the one who knows all, then they wont be deceived or tricked
by any lie.
HOW bout that for a SOLUTION.

And how does that work in this situation?

 

[frienden thalord]

IF you knew one who knew all. He could tell you HOWthis happened.
Couldn't he .
I mean if one is all knowing and you happen to know that one
how simple.

 

[Kylie]

Sadly lots of false ones do say that . heck look at our churches.
twisting doctrine to suit THEIR OWN MAN MADE THEOLOGY.

Sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy there...

 

[Kylie]

IF you knew one who knew all. He could tell you HOWthis happened.
Couldn't he .
I mean if one is all knowing and you happen to know that one
how simple.

That assumes that there actually IS such a person.

What if the documentation claims that it was dictated by a person who knew all?

 

[frienden thalord]

["The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their view.

Well me oh my don't lots of churches do just that .
they do it with doctrine in the bible. they alter it to fit THEIR own preconceived idea .
So do many in the world.
For the ABSOLUTELY say truth is not absolute . Yeah , let it sink in a bit.

 

[frienden thalord]

That assumes that there actually IS such a person.

What if the documentation claims that it was dictated by a person who knew all?

Like I said if one REALLY and TRULY does know the one who knows all
then he or she or would KNOW the answer , no matter what the other called himself.
Anyone can be led astray , specially by one who claims to KNOW all.
But if one truly does know the real ONE who knows all, they wont be deceived.
Pontius pilate once said But what is TRUTH to ONE who IS TRUTH.

 

[pitabread]

Anyone can be led astray , specially by one who claims to KNOW all.
But if one truly does know the real ONE who knows all, they wont be deceived.

How would you ever tell the difference?

 

[Speedwell]

How would ever tell the difference?

It's explained in the documentation.