Kwanzaa

[Redac]

You have some really strange ideas.

Strange for this forum. You see them more often in other areas of the internet.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Perhaps because for 300 years in this country we were told and treated like subhumans. We were stripped of our culture, our language, forbidden to be part of the larger culture.

You were captured by your own race, then sold to the British to be slaves. Slavery is appaling, and I'm glad it no longer exists to the extent it did in early Americana. I stll stand by my previous statement though.

 

[Creech]

You have some really strange ideas.

How so? If you think my concept of a nation strange, then I will explain it to you. My definition of a nation is A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language. I don't know if anyone would consider the early Puritan settlers to be part of the same nation as the Indians, though they lived on the same continent. I believe nations are something organic and are formed over a long period of time, and not something that can just be created and have a specific founding date.

Therefore, although people like the African Americans are geographically very close to me, they are a different people just like how the English are or the Russians are.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Therefore, although people like the African Americans are geographically very close to me, they are a different people just like how the English are or the Russians are.

You have a valid point in all this. Fashion, language, and even music styles make them a different people. The community(good or bad), to include their idea of what is right and wrong makes them different from others that live in the same nation.

Then of course the same can be said of the Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Irish, etc.....

I'd like to add one more note. Until there's a federal holiday identifying a Native American, then do not expect me to acknowledge these other holidays. Hell the United States has a federal holiday dedicated to the man who helped enslave Native Americans, i.e., Christopher Colombus. Try that as a slap in the face, along with a holdiay that is dedicated to the celebration of an invasion of another country. That holiday being in a month that is supposed to celebrate Native American heritage.

 

[chilipepper]

How so? If you think my concept of a nation strange, then I will explain it to you. My definition of a nation is A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language. I don't know if anyone would consider the early Puritan settlers to be part of the same nation as the Indians, though they lived on the same continent. I believe nations are something organic and are formed over a long period of time, and not something that can just be created and have a specific founding date.

Therefore, although people like the African Americans are geographically very close to me, they are a different people just like how the English are or the Russians are.

Many, many Americans, of all colors and ethnicities, share these things as well.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

And culture huh? So you consider Iranian Muslims who observe Noo Rooze by, well observing it, and doing things like fire jumping to be apostate? Do you consider Iranian Muslims who hate Iskander the Devil because he destroyed their ancestral Zoroastrian Persian empire heretics?

Do I consider them apostates? They're Muslims, not those who leave Islam for another religion. We are talking about a race and culture that are celebrating something they had no choice in becoming; far different than choosing your own religion.

 

[chilipepper]

Also, I wonder, Creech. Why do you get to be a "real" American, whereas other ethnic groups residing in the country don't get that status in your mind? After all, your ancestors were not native to this country, I'm guessing. I think you just like thinking that white=real American to make yourself feel superior.

 

[Creech]

Also, I wonder, Creech. Why do you get to be a "real" American, whereas other ethnic groups residing in the country don't get that status in your mind? After all, your ancestors were not native to this country, I'm guessing. I think you just like thinking that white=real American to make yourself feel superior.

I never said only I was a real American. Nowadays, being an American pretty much means living in America. It has become too broad and tells very little, only your geographic location.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

I think you just like thinking that white=real American to make yourself feel superior.

So now you are accusing him of being a white supremacist? Real subtle.

 

[Redac]

So now you are accusing him of being a white supremacist? Real subtle.

His rhetoric is not unlike that of white nationalists I've seen around before.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Is this the official "War on Kwanzaa" thread or should I start one?

War on Kwanzaa? Yeah right. You declare a "war" on an a holiday geared towards a specific race other than white in the United States, you're asking to be labeled a bigot.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

His rhetoric is not unlike that of white nationalists I've seen around before.

A white nationalist, hmmm. Nice to know that if a white person disagrees with a holiday geared towards blacks, feels they are different from him, and that they aren't living the same culture he lives as somehow being considered a white nationalist or a supremacist.

 

[praying]

You were captured by your own race, then sold to the British to be slaves. Slavery is appaling, and I'm glad it no longer exists to the extent it did in early Americana. I stll stand by my previous statement though.

The above has what to do with my comment?

But do note, so what, Africans sold other Africans into slavery as if that somehow changes things.

Perhaps because for 300 years in this country we were told and treated like subhumans. We were stripped of our culture, our language, forbidden to be part of the larger culture. Kwanzaa, the NAACP, historically black colleges, etc, these things were not developed in a vacuum.

 

[praying]

American is a very broad term. I think black Americans are their own nation. Just like how the Scottish are in the UK, they are still their own nation of people.

Okay I think that says it all.

 

[praying]

You have some really strange ideas.

He is simply tap dancing around what he seems to be reluctant to come out and say. Real Americans are white.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

*snip*.

Name me one prominent Native American who has their own federal holiday.

 

[praying]

Name me one prominent Native American who has their own federal holiday.

What does that have to do with the anything?

 

[praying]

Name me one prominent Native American who has their own federal holiday.

and btw nice dodge.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

and btw nice dodge.

It's not a dodge at all. I asked you a question and you ignored it. I'm not going to accept and recognize a holiday, simply because it celebrates a race and culture that you, nor anyone else that's black, had any choice in choosing.

Also, why are Christians the only ones with recognized federal holidays? Why do I get Easter and Christmas off, but no Eid holidays? How about Jews, who do not get any of their religious holidays off?

 

[Redac]

A white nationalist, hmmm. Nice to know that if a white person disagrees with a holiday geared towards blacks, feels they are different from him, and that they aren't living the same culture he lives as somehow being considered a white nationalist or a supremacist.

Hah, no. I don't say he sounds like a white nationalist based on "I don't approve of Kwanzaa". I say it based on some of the ideas I've seen him express before. Perhaps he's not, but he often sounds like one.