Kwanzaa

[Creech]

Do those cultural traditions that you are loyal to include racial segregation? It's ok to say yes (if its true). It would at least help me make sense of your posts.

My family comes from the North/New England states. We never even had Jim Crow Laws up here. They even supported the abolition of slavery during the Civil War Era. But just because I do not want the blacks to be oppressed does not mean that we are the same people. That does not mean their heroes are my heroes. I say, let everyone have their own heroes, traditions, and customs.

 

[Creech]

But they are.

The didn't just fight for the civil rights of blacks. But for us all.

Do you really want to go back to drinking from the Whites Only water fountain?

I doubt people like MLK were concerned about whites not being able to use black drinking fountains or eat at black restaurants. He just wanted what's best for his own people, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

 

[Pommer]

Is this the official "War on Kwanzaa" thread or should I start one?

 

[USincognito]

Very true. Obama had a coalition group, funded by the taxpayers, called "African Americans for Obama."

That didn't happen.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

That's a good point. I have no problem saying that MLK did great things for the black community and I think that is a good thing and I am not against those achievements being celebrated. But because I believe he was primarily concerned about his own people, I'll just let them celebrate.

He was not. If you listen close to his speeches, you'd realize this.

I doubt people like MLK were concerned about whites not being able to use black drinking fountains or eat at black restaurants. He just wanted what's best for his own people, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

That's just it. Whites were not barred from black restaurants. Blacks tend to be very welcoming to whites in their establishments from everything I've heard and experienced.

Just one example. I had a black girlfriend in high school and after. Her family always welcomed me and loved me as their own. My white family...not so much. My dad even told me I'd be out of the family (as if it were up to him...lol) if I got serious with her.
Yes, I realize there are variations based on area, different families, etc.

MLK made it clear that he did want what was best for all people.
Take a look.
Martin Luther King, Jr. Quotes - BrainyQuote

 

[mzungu]

I've known for some time that Kwanzaa was a made-up holiday. But just how "made up" and how political and outright racist I didn't know until I read this: The Many Falsehoods of Kwanzaa

The original goal was to divide white and black Christians, apparently.

Did you know that the 25th December was a pagan holiday and the first Christian Emperor of Rome decreed that it should be recognised as Jesus' birthday because the 25th of December was the most popular holiday?

Made up holiday you said

 

[rturner76]

African people had their unique culture and many traditions stripped from them including their religion by their slave masters and were forced to be Christians. This kwanzaa is to remind us of our cultural roots and heritage. The things we used to celebrate before our community was destroyed.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Any holiday that celebrates race and culture is Haram anyways. No one chooses to be the race they are, so why be proud of it?

 

[USincognito]

Any holiday that celebrates race and culture is Haram anyways. No one chooses to be the race they are, so why be proud of it?

And culture huh? So you consider Iranian Muslims who observe Noo Rooze by, well observing it, and doing things like fire jumping to be apostate? Do you consider Iranian Muslims who hate Iskander the Devil because he destroyed their ancestral Zoroastrian Persian empire heretics?

 

[praying]

Any holiday that celebrates race and culture is Haram anyways. No one chooses to be the race they are, so why be proud of it?

Perhaps because for 300 years in this country we were told and treated like subhumans. We were stripped of our culture, our language, forbidden to be part of the larger culture. Kwanzaa, the NAACP, historically black colleges, etc, these things were not developed in a vacuum.

 

[USincognito]

Perhaps because for 300 years in this country we were told and treated like subhumans. We were stripped of our culture, our language, forbidden to be part of the larger culture. Kwanzaa, the NAACP, historically black colleges, etc, these things were not developed in a vacuum.

I wonder why no one who is decrying Kwanzaa has responded to you directly instead of just posting further criticisms.

If the concept from the founding was so bad back in the 60s, why don't they confront you for participating in such a bad idea in 2012 rather than just talk around you.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I wonder why no one who is decrying Kwanzaa has responded to you directly instead of just posting further criticisms.

If the concept from the founding was so bad back in the 60s, why don't they confront you for participating in such a bad idea in 2012 rather than just talk around you.

I wonder that too.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I jut went to a Kwanzaa celebration, no mention of dividing whites and blacks, in fact there were white people there. The celebration was at my sister's house. The theme of their Kwanzaa celebration this year, how to keep the family together.

Imagine that, the horror, and so racist.

You should actually read up its true origins, I reckon.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Why does it offend/scare white people so much when black people celebrate/attempt to empower themselves?

So people are scared, because they find a totally made up holiday, made up by some nut-case ex-con militant to be a stupid holiday?

People now have to sugar coat everything.

People wouldnt just accept it if people started celebrating Hilters Birthday as a holiday (like they did in Nazi Germany), it wouldnt get an ounce of respect.

 

[All Englands Skies]

However, I do have a problem with black traditions and heroes being pushed on whites, such as MLK, Rosa Parks, and things of that nature.

But they are heroes to everybody.

Real human beings who did something for humanity on the whole.

thus I dont conisder them "black only" heroes.

Kwanzaa on the other hand was made by a black, ex-con, militant nutcase woman abuser. thus I have little respect for it.

I am glad Kwanzaa has never "caught on" with the black community here in the UK.

 

[All Englands Skies]

You can call them whatever you wish. But just like I don't consider those who led Independence movements in Mexico my heroes or those who fought for Charlemagne. I have no problem with others considering them their heroes, but they sure aren't mine.

But MLK and Rosa Parks lived in the USA and everything that happened to them is in the USA, so bringing up Mexico and the Kingdom of the Franks/Medeval and Holy Roman Empire Europe is like compairing apples and oranges.

I dont get it, so were MLK and Rosa parks just floating around, nationless?

This comment leads me to think you dont even consider black american citizens to even be "American"

 

[All Englands Skies]

Has it made America better? Maybe. But just like Irish Independence maybe made Ireland a better place, you won't see them making it an official public holiday in the UK with statues of Irish Independence leaders all over England.

They're Diffrent Countries!!!!!!

I dont get how you seem to be compairing apples and oranges!!!!!!

the UK and the Republic of Ireland are seperate sovereign states (or you could say UK is made up of four main Sovereign states)

Black civil rights leaders were all in the USA, they werent even all seperated into a specific region neither, so you cant compair it!

You're also the one who disagrees with mixed race relationships aswell, aint you?

 

[Creech]

But MLK and Rosa Parks lived in the USA and everything that happened to them is in the USA, so bringing up Mexico and the Kingdom of the Franks/Medeval and Holy Roman Empire Europe is like compairing apples and oranges.

I dont get it, so were MLK and Rosa parks just floating around, nationless?

This comment leads me to think you dont even consider black american citizens to even be "American"

American is a very broad term. I think black Americans are their own nation. Just like how the Scottish are in the UK, they are still their own nation of people.

 

[Creech]

They're Diffrent Countries!!!!!!

I dont get how you seem to be compairing apples and oranges!!!!!!

the UK and the Republic of Ireland are seperate sovereign states (or you could say UK is made up of four main Sovereign states)

Black civil rights leaders were all in the USA, they werent even all seperated into a specific region neither, so you cant compair it!

You're also the one who disagrees with mixed race relationships aswell, aint you?

We are united in the same federal government, but that does not mean we are the same nation of people.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

American is a very broad term. I think black Americans are their own nation. Just like how the Scottish are in the UK, they are still their own nation of people.

We are united in the same federal government, but that does not mean we are the same nation of people.

You have some really strange ideas.