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Twice. I was married for 13 years to a girl I dated for 3 years with whom I had a daughter after we were married. I was single for 5 years after. I went out on 50 first dates and dated 3 a few months. Then I married the NPD.

So because it's been rough, it wasn't the voice of God?
 
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Twice. I was married for 13 years to a girl I dated for 3 years with whom I had a daughter after we were married. I was single for 5 years after. I went out on 50 first dates and dated 3 a few months. Then I married the NPD.

So because it's been rough, it wasn't the voice of God?

Would the Voice of God put you in two marriages that ended in divorce? Is that how God works? Now, He can make good out of bad situations but I don't think the Voice of God calls us into bad situations to have the opportunity to make good out of bad. It has nothing to do with being rough...because you are right, following God does often lead us through tough times. But it never leads us to sin...the sin is our option as we walk through tough times..,,but never the Voice of God. I do not believe that divorce is "unforgiveable" but it is sin because it involves breaking a vow to God along with our spouse.
 
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The first one I didnt have His direction on. As a matter of fact I kind of went against it. It wasnt until later did I start listening to this voice because that voice was guiding me in a different direction than I went. And every time I went against it, I regretted it.

The second one it didn't lead me into sin. I separated. I offered counseling. I went to the church for prayer. I simply followed the voice that said "Wait here." She wouldnt go to counseling. She cheated. She filed for divorce. If I hadnt signed the paperwork, her attorney would have refiled that day. It changed nothing. She was going to divorce me because she had her mind set on it. Nothing would have stopped her.
 
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My ex-husband divorced me too after I ran away from him. I know it is not biblical to divorce. But, he was not Christian and wanted alimony. I was glad to be rid of him. I was too poor to pay anything and had nothing but debt. Divorce with a non-believer who does not share your same values is not necessarily a bad thing for one's life. I would not feel bad about it, especially if the other party desires divorce. Sometimes, it is a good thing to divorce someone who does nothing but hurt you. I made a mistake in marrying hastily due to bad judgment and am glad there is a law stating that divorce is legal and a right between agreeing parties. One has to consider the circumstances for divorce. Divorce is nothing to be ashamed about. However, it is a lesson to learn from. I made a mistake and have learned that it is easy to marry and difficult to divorce. I probably would rather stay single given my situation.
 
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She paid for the divorce. She wanted no spousal support the entire time, but I paid her half of her rent until the divorce was filed, offered to pay the last year of her lease and sell her the car she just "had to have" for the residual with what would have been a loaded 2 year old car for $11,000. She also wanted nothing of my business, no cash, no alimony, nothing. That seemed very out of character for her. I did run into her a few days before our final hearing where she was all smiles and talkative to me and told me her water bill was behind, which I paid for her, sent her a card once a month offering to talk if she wanted, and sent her flowers on her birthday which she came to my office the next morning and threw them at me in front of my office. I never asked for anything other than counseling, when she again turned hostile to me.

I'm kind of glad I took the break as I have even just had some more self discoveries in the last few days of being alone.

Also, blackribbon, Im not trying to be argumentative, but your questions are all the questions that I have asked myself a million times since all this happened. And I do have a person that is my spiritually accountable friend. They told me the same thing when I wanted to file that my gut that I argued with told me: wait. I had all the paperwork filled out a month after I left. They told me the same thing my inner voice did: give it six months. I figured it will giver her enough rope to hang herself or build a bridge. The last thing I said to my exwife was "you have 6 months to show me who you really are. At the end, all will be forgiven, but it's your choice how we proceed." After the divorce was done, the friend told me that they felt like although initially they were happy to know I was divorced from this woman, that they felt like God was working in her life and that she would be back, but it's going to take some time. They even told me they couldnt believe that THIS is the advice they were giving me, they disliked her that much. They recommended giving it a solid year to heal. Then I heard Andy Stanley talk about taking a year to become the person that you are looking for is looking for the next day. I decided to do that..ending March 1, 2017 which I cut short. However, I restarted it since.

A second pastor that counseled us told me "she hates men. You will always be the bad guy. If you have a spiritual cold...she has spiritual cancer, and that she needs professional help. I've counseled thousand of people before I marry them, and she needs professional help. I wouldnt marry you two. So my advice: Run. But if you think God wants you to wait 6 months, then wait 6 months." Im glad I did because she ended up doing all the wrong, and I just went to God and that is when my old friend took notice of how I handled myself during the divorce, and so did our pastor. He was the one that set us up.

Second peculiarity: My NPD's best friend and I have become actual friends. She and NPD prayed a few months before I met my NPD and she said they made a list together of the traits that NPD wanted in a hubby (which is strange because it was the exact same traits as the friends hubby, and answered all my questions they way the friend would have answered/lives) and prayed over it and asked God to send someone. She told me she always did & still does believes I am that man! This is a week ago! WTH!?!? That is what made me really question all of this again after three months of relationship joy (which it usually is in the beginning.) Did I mention that the NPD and I eloped one week before the friend was to marry, and that NPD made all of the invitations say Matron of Honor instead of Maid of Honor and paraded me around the wedding telling everyone she could that we eloped the previous weekend. I wanted to leave a month into the marriage and have it annulled. The voice said, No. I have you hear for a reason, but it wont be easy. But I will bless you through it all. I fell like he did.

This is why I have come to a bunch of strangers on the Internet for guidance. I am not trying to use God as a trump card, like: "Look, this is what God is telling me and unless you agree, you are telling me to argue with God." No. I am questioning if this is God's guidance myself. How can you tell if it is God or not. Maybe all this is my subconscious...like it picked up on things I didn't consciously see but it put two and two together and guided me. Maybe the love at first sight was just chemistry and again my subconscious told me what my brain wanted to hear. IDK!?!?
 
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You won't find the answer to your question "is this God's voice or not" from the internet....especially when so much appears to go against the character of God...note, I said "appears" because we really don't and can't know the whole story. I will say from my experience as a mental health professional that short of a miracle from God (possible, but not likely), narcissistic personality disorder (which I assumed is what you meant by NPD) is not likely to change and she will never take ownership for anything she has done wrong because NPD does not allow her to ever see that she could be wrong.

It doesn't ever hurt to "wait"...God often says this and I don't think we listen often enough. I just question whether or not you should consider remarrying her. That doesn't keep you from being her friend though and be supportive.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for....but again, I would suggest you spend some time in counseling to explore what attracted you to her narcissist personality in the first place so you don't repeat the same mistakes in the future with her or any other woman.
 
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Ok ok slow down.
Gods will is easy to discern if you actually read the Bible and acted on what the Word says. After all he is the author and finisher of our faith.

On marriage, what Paul did say and its in his letters to corinthians for all to read...is that if you are single not to look for a wife.

Its as plain as day. 1 corinthians 7:27

Theres a whole chapter on marital relations and guidance for believers.
 
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No. God's will is not easy to discern if you read the Bible:

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

So every couple that is "in love" and wants to have sex should just marry. That is God's will? Because this is the EXACT verse I just happen to have opened to the morning I eloped with my NPD. And trusting that verse to be God's will is ultimately what brings me here asking this question. That truly was the genesis of this whole thing. We prayed, asked God to lead us, came to 1 Cor 7:9 and said "Let's see what the Bible says...". We started at 1pm and by 4pm we were married by a pastor, with rings, sized and her friend that prayed with her over her list of "must haves" found out we were eloping came, prayed with us and was her maid of honor/witness and said "I really think he is the answer to your prayer." At every step we prayed and said "Welp Lord, we need another miracle: we need _____", and despite all odds, it happened. Did I mention I needed a copy of my divorce papers which I couldnt find as I had been divorced for quite some time? As we were running into the courthouse to hurry and print out my divorce papers again (as we only had 10 minutes left to get the marriage license) I said "welp Lord, need another miracle: please let them be able to print out my divorce papers quick if all this is your will." I opened up my rear passenger door to get my coat and as I closed my door I noticed a neatly folded stack of papers (like papers that were mailed in an envelope...like from court) and there they were: my divorce papers. It truly felt like God moved heaven and earth to marry us because he seemed to kick open every single door that whole day.


Blackribbon:
And yes, by NPD, I mean Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I appreciate your time on this. I am so conflicted in case you can't tell. I am so wanting to move on with my life but feel stuck as I don't know if I can trust this inner "voice" anymore. I went to the internet because I felt led here too. Ive talked to pastors, counselors, Christian friends, everyone. "Don't know what to tell you" is what I get.
 
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Well, so, you married an unbeliever. Because you could not contain yourselves. What is your problem again?

You made a choice, stick with it. She divorced you, i gather, so why are you looking for ANOTHER wife? Have you not learned your lesson? You just read one verse and didnt actually read the whole chapter?!
 
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I had encountered an eloping NPD lady before, she told me the whole story of how she eloped and thought God told her to marry this guy, they divorced five years later.

Ok, what you really need to do is spend time reading the Bible, meditating on it, for like a whole year, not just open up point to a verse for a minute and think its God telling you what to do.
 
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They year will be up on the 30th Good book. Nope, didn't just read one verse. Read the whole chapter a lot and often. She supposedly was a poet christian. And learn my lesson? Have you read the entire thread or are you just judging me by one or two posts?

And she isn't a believer because flesh patterns are hard to break?
 
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Sometimes God really just means "WAIT". That often means "Do nothing". That doesn't necessarily mean try to figure out what you are waiting for. It doesn't necessarily mean "wait for someone". It doesn't necessarily mean that He is pointing you in one direction or another. It sometimes simply means "sit down, stop being so busy....and simply wait."
I think that sometimes this is the hardest of God's requests of us because as a society we are taught to always be busy and be planning and be moving forward. However, we have a God that values "rest". And the historical definition of that term "rest" was shown by how the Jewish people celebrated the Sabbath...they did almost nothing but focus on God and visit with family. It wasn't our definition of "rest" which means throwing the family in the car and spending a busy at day at the beach, going on vacation, cleaning the house and/or doing yard work. It involved almost no activity...it was almost the definition of "waiting on the Lord" and doing absolutely nothing but reading God's work and praying.

I DO think that is what God is telling you right now about your dating/relationship life. Wait. Stop planning or trying to figure out what I am doing..."just be single and focus on Me and not these woman or even yourself."

I don't think that you really do understand what "close every door" or make this easy can mean. It isn't a one day event where your divorce papers suddenly show up when you are feeling so horny you can't wait another day to be with someone physically. You don't believe that Satan can also make things show up while you are praying...you had a focus and an plan that you were trying to implement that wasn't particularly wise in any situation and you simply asked God to stop you if it wasn't His Plan...that is not the same thing as following God. That isn't how God works. The Bible doesn't give us examples of a lot of people doing things impulsively when following God...it shows deep thought, prayer, and intentionally guidance. I mean God can say "WAIT" for years, ask the Israelites wandering around the wilderness for 40 years.

Can you simply wait? Not wait FOR something... simply wait. No time limit. No impatience. Simply wait.
 
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Wait is exactly what I decided to do. I just said a similar thing you told me to my brother at dinner, that I felt like I just need to wait until God gives me direction and not try to figure out where I will end up. He also said I needed to give up my expectation for God. Just trust that he knows what he is doing.

Also, it really wasn't to have sex. I will gladly wait. We just felt that it was God's will so why wait. And I am glad it happened the way it. I learned so much about myself. If I had known then what I know now she wouldn't have gotten a second date so it was a good thing we eloped otherwise I would have missed all this learning, lol!

Thank you for the help.
 
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Im sorry.
I didnt mean to judge you on just one or two posts. It was confusing.

I dont know what you mean by poet christian.
But she sounds a bit suss and manipulative, unfortunately there are people like that who claim God is telling them this and that but actually He isnt. With NPD it is all about them.

However God isnt in the business of being a genie or catering to our flesh, otherwise. Why would Jesus have been crucified. If he wasnt put to death, then supposedly we could just do anything we wanted.
 
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She sounds like she is not functional for marriage or any sort of Christian relating. The Bible says,

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

So, our Father does want us to personally submit to Him, then all the time be submissive to Him, with our attention always to Him. So, this thing with her could be a trick to keep your attention tied up elsewhere!

And our Apostle Paul says . . . for how we are to relate with one another who are children of God >

"submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21)

To me, this means we are to be mutually submissive, not one lording oneself over the other. And this is "in the fear of God" > if we are in fear of God, aren't we being attentive to Him? And so our relating is with our attention to God and prayerfully submitting, all the time, to how He has us sharing with one another.

So, our attention is not only to how to handle one person, but how we are relating with each and every other Christian . . . while learning also how to relate with unbelievers. So, it is wise not to get yourself isolated only or mainly with what to do with these two women, but share with much more mature Christians . . . including ones who mentor any pastors who might talk with you. We need our senior Christians; so make sure you listen to whatsoever they say; and I would say not to first or only bring attention to your problems with these two women. But first talk about being with God.

"Listen to the Holy Spirit, and do what He tells you to do."

"God can turn things around."

God does desire for us to love and care for even any evil person, at all, with hope for every unbeliever, like how Jesus on the cross so suffered and died with hope for any evil person, at all.

So, you should not only be concerned about evaluating her, but have hope for her. But do not accept being only subject to her. But also do not try to control her, but >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Be ready to share in a good way, not to argue or complain or get bitter or try to judge and accuse her and make her accountable to you. But be her example, and she is welcome to join you, but she is not going to steer you. If you stay humble and gentle and "without complaining and disputing" (Philippians 2:14-16), you will see if she relates with you and stays with you, or not >

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (in James 1:19).

Possibly, if she claims she wants to be with you, you can say, well good, then, you will want to share with all my Jesus family people . . . at church and our prayer and Bible meetings where I am going, so you can grow and learn with all of us as family. Marriage in Jesus is not isolation with only some one person. Is the other lady isolating with you???? If you are in God's love with someone, I will offer how God's love is all-loving > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) There are people who make love idols . . . only certain people they want to use; and in our idol loving we are not in the strength of God's almighty and all-loving love; and so we can break down in weakness and suffer various personality torments . . . because of seeking what we want from our love idols!! and staying weak in the process.

Now, one might say, how do I know I am really submitting to God in His own peace (Colossians 3:15, Philippians 4:6-7) and how He has us sharing and relating? Well, God knows. If you try to bring me to task about how to make sure, you could be distracting yourself from actually doing this with God Himself. So, only God is able to correct us . . . how He does this >

Hebrews 12:4-11.

So, it could be so simple > if you are in the dark and not sure and you are only or mainly discussing and arguing ideas and generalities . . . you need more real correction which only God can do. And He is the One who will make you sure; so if you aren't, trust Him to correct you, deeply, in your nature, so you are reliable with Him. And do not accept any less; keep praying and seeking Him for Himself.

We can not make our own selves experts at submitting to and obeying God. It is how He first changes us so we are truly submissive to Him and trusting Him. Our nature . . . our character . . . needs correction so we succeed. Of our own character we are not so good and honest and humble, that we really mean it when we say we want to do God's will. Peter did that, boasting how he would go through anything with Jesus, then to discover how he did not exactly.

So, if we are really with God, we know it and it shows. If we aren't, then we still need more character correction so we are submissive and in His light which has us seeing right and clearly. If you are still not sure, then I consider that you and I both need to do the same thing > get however God corrects us. We are not smart or honest enough . . . now . . . to know the difference, like we could if we grow more in God's love with His light to make us clear. We need what God is able to do, so then we will be clear.

So, we all are in this together; don't let yourself be tricked into thinking you're all on your own and the only one who can be unsure and unclear. But stay gentle and humble with her, and talking about being honest and praying for what God wants, not only trying to negotiate with her about what she wants. And then see if she wants you :) . . . while you with your Jesus family all together are seeking God and His will . . . not isolating yourself with some one person and problem!!

About these people who are telling you to marry the new lady . . . how mature are these people? Have they been helping you to first get real with God so you can know His will, even at every moment, in His peace? > Colossians 3:15 < Being ruled by God in His peace is all the time, with time out for correction, "of course", I would say. So, if these people are so reliable, why haven't they already ministered for you to be able to sense and do God's will, all the time . . . versus going on and on in conflict and discussing????

Are you sharing with senior and very mature married Christian couples and others much more mature?

I don't mean nice talkers and smiley-face people.

I suspect you have not been staying with senior and very mature Christians who I think would have already ministered you into knowing what you are doing. And I don't know how much maturity you have in your present church situation. But doing God's will is not only about knowing how to make things happen. People can learn and be trained in how to administrate without truly growing in Jesus. If we submit to Jesus, "you will find rest for your souls," He guarantees, in Matthew 11:28-30.

So, whatever you have found in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is meant to do with all else which is in God's word, and this in sharing with all the mature Christian people our Father shares with you.
 
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Here is something I just thought of > if you are getting two very different messages about these two women, it can mean God wants you to love them both, in your heart, the way you would if you were married to either one of them.

"Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them." (Colossians 3:19)

We need to get strong in Jesus love, so we are ready to refuse to let anything our wives do be an excuse for us to get bitter against them. And be this way, in all our relating . . . without "bitterness", our Apostle Paul does say in Ephesians 4:32.

So, I can see, that God means for you to invest in how to become in His love, for all our relating :) as ambassadors of Jesus. God is trusting us to love each and every person we know, see, think of, and share with. So you are trusted, all the time, in Jesus :)

Very possibly, whoever you marry, you will need to be ready for her to at least at times be either way . . . narcissistic, meaning mainly about her own self, but also at times fallen crazy for you. Yet, we want our ladies to humble us, as well as their own selves, don't we? After all, God is so more than we are, plus we have our more mature Jesus brothers and sisters who can be more good for us than our own special romantic sweeties whom we marry ! ! ! :)

The ones we marry can be more like ourselves; we and they both need our more mature ones and others whom God uses to minister to us and who are also our family, in Jesus. As we grow in Jesus as family, we get into more and more beautiful sweet tenderly caring and sharing relating with more and more others who are growing in love with us.

So, don't limit yourself to loving only two ! ! ! :) lololololololol

So, it is so important to invest in being able to love any sort of person, while also benefitting from our mature seniors so we grow in how Jesus is . . . so we are loving our Father by becoming like His own Son is so pleasing to Him >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This beauty of "a gentle and quiet spirit" is in God's love having almighty power > making this beauty "incorruptible" so it can keep you from getting tangled by a person's wrong way of relating, even in a close relationship. You need to be an example of this, for our ladies and us guys :)
 
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Yeah, this hard. The head says no...the heart says yes...I keep getting caught with you pinpointing that your narc said "you were the one she was praying for". If she truly is a narc you can't trust anything she says! It matters not one whit how "spiritual" she sounds. Narcs are canny, persuasive liars, unfortunately, and can manipulate even professionals if the professional is not aware of a narc's tactics. Now, can God can heal anyone? Absolutely! I recently saw a sad-but-true meme that said that an NPD case is the only time when the patient is left alone and everyone around them is treated. I cannot agree more. My friend, please be very careful about how you approach this. From what I studied on NPD no contact is the best and safest route to take.
 
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Getting honest with God is an important step, to confess our sins so we can be forgiven and healed.

You realise you married a lying unbeliever. GOd tells us not to be unequally yoked and to come apart and be separate from them. Dont make the same mistake again, like a dog returning to his vomit.

Repent, and trust in the Lord, by studying to shew yourself approved of God, reading and meditating on the Bible. You know what He says about fornication, that its wrong. That we are to abstain from it. You just need to come clean and and say to Him, i was wrong, i disobeyed you Lord, Im sorry. I wont do it again.

I keep reading how you want to justify yourself by saying its Gods will that We fornicate. We were going to marry anyway. Hello, where is that in the bible? Now you dealing with the consequences. You going to have to break soul ties with this woman,go to your elders for prayer. Not the church she manipulated you into going..but find mature married christians who are like at least 60 years old and been married for 40 years or something.
 
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Thanks everyone for your viewpoint. I'm not sure I am any more clear as to if it was the guidance of God or not. But I appreciate all the advice and as much as I hate to walk away from the first relationship I've ever felt was healthy, I am until March 1 minimum.

So wait it is.

Thanks again. I appreciate your help and patience. Any prayers sent my way would also be appreciated.
 
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