KNOW You are saved.

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

do you know how many people have been baptized and never truly converted?

Everyone who has received baptism has been adopted into God's family. They can leave the family, and it does not eternally assure their salvation, but apart from their active rejection of the faith, God's promises hold true.

We cannot simply dismiss the promises attached to the washing of the water with the word (Eph 5:26) simply because we weren't raised to think of water as an instrument of saving grace. The Scriptures speak clearly of the grace found in the waters of baptism. Read them for yourself. They are quite clear.

the only mean of salvation is grace through faith and him paying for our sins on the cross. baptism is not a means.

I give you Scripure to back up my claims, and you give me this?

Besides, you're saying in your own statement that grace is how we are saved. I'm merely saying that baptism is one visible way by which God works his grace in our lives, and once again, I'm backing it up with Scripture (Mk 16:16, Acts 2:38, Rom 6:4, Gal 3:28, 1 Pet 3:21).

if you got baptized it's not God doing anything.

Funny, because never in Scripture is baptism described as an action of the recipient of baptism. It's always described as an action God performs or an action performed by the baptizer. The baptized is a passive party, the recipient of grace.

have you read the scriptures about true conversion? it's not baptism. do i know how many have said the sinner's prayer and weren't converted? yes i fully understand that and don't claim them to be christian, nor do i claim that a specific prayer is a means of salvation. it is a supernatural transformation. a prayer doesn't save you.

You're right. A prayer doesn't save us.

But no prayer in the Scriptures has the promises of God attached to it. No prayer has supernatural power automatically flowing from it.

But God has promised in his Holy Scriptures that "baptism now saves" (1 Pet 3:21), that when we are baptized we "receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), that through baptism we are united to the death and resurrection of Christ (Rom 6:4), and through baptism Christ has clothed us in his own saving image (Gal 3:28).

You ask if I have read the Scriptures. Have you?

 

[VCViking]

No one knows if they are saved because no one is God.

Huh?

So you don't know if you are a Christian or not?



I know I am and you don't have to be God to know. Read you're bible and you'll find out.

Wow.

 

[VCViking]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaladinValer
No one knows if they are saved because no one is God.

Only God knows who is saved or not because He's the only one with the Grace, omnipotence, omniscience, and sinlessness to be able to offer just, honest, knowledgeable, and pure Judgment.

Those who play God will suffer terrible consequences.

God seems to disagree

1 Jonh 5:10-13
10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Exactly!

 

[MarkEvan]

From what I know of myself and of the scriptures, I know I am saved due to a few reasons, primarily the desire whole heartedly to serve God, to be obediant to Him in all aspects of my life "if you love me obey my comandments," Paul and Peter tell us to test ourselves to make sure that we are still in the faith, how do I do this..................by seeing if I still desire to be obediant in everything, "whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."



Hope that helps


Mark

 

[Catholic Christian]

From what I know of myself and of the scriptures, I know I am saved due to a few reasons, primarily the desire whole heartedly to serve God, to be obediant to Him in all aspects of my life "if you love me obey my comandments," Paul and Peter tell us to test ourselves to make sure that we are still in the faith, how do I do this..................by seeing if I still desire to be obediant in everything, "whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."



Hope that helps


Mark

But you do not know what you will do in the future. You are "presuming" upon God, which is a sin

 

[simonthezealot]

You are "presuming" upon God, which is a sin

Out of curiosity can you share this scripture with me?

 

[simonthezealot]

Everyone who has received baptism has been adopted into God's family.

As a good SS lutheran why don't you share what scripture your recieving this information from?

 

[Melethiel]

Galatians 3:27

 

[ryanb6]

Everyone who has received baptism has been adopted into God's family. They can leave the family, and it does not eternally assure their salvation, but apart from their active rejection of the faith, God's promises hold true.

We cannot simply dismiss the promises attached to the washing of the water with the word (Eph 5:26) simply because we weren't raised to think of water as an instrument of saving grace. The Scriptures speak clearly of the grace found in the waters of baptism. Read them for yourself. They are quite clear.



I give you Scripure to back up my claims, and you give me this?

Besides, you're saying in your own statement that grace is how we are saved. I'm merely saying that baptism is one visible way by which God works his grace in our lives, and once again, I'm backing it up with Scripture (Mk 16:16, Acts 2:38, Rom 6:4, Gal 3:28, 1 Pet 3:21).



Funny, because never in Scripture is baptism described as an action of the recipient of baptism. It's always described as an action God performs or an action performed by the baptizer. The baptized is a passive party, the recipient of grace.



You're right. A prayer doesn't save us.

But no prayer in the Scriptures has the promises of God attached to it. No prayer has supernatural power automatically flowing from it.

But God has promised in his Holy Scriptures that "baptism now saves" (1 Pet 3:21), that when we are baptized we "receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), that through baptism we are united to the death and resurrection of Christ (Rom 6:4), and through baptism Christ has clothed us in his own saving image (Gal 3:28).

You ask if I have read the Scriptures. Have you?

seeing as how salvation is a supernatural work i fail to see how baptism saves you. so i can have no change in my heart and just go under the water and i'm saved? you say you gave me scripture. i've yet to see anything backing this up.

 

[simonthezealot]

Galatians 3:27

Being "clothed with Christ" is a phrase meaning that the Christian moved out from the Law and into the gospel of grace and can enjoy full acceptance before God the Father. It is not saying that baptism is what saves us from our sins and puts us in God's family.

In Roman society when a child who had been under the care of a tutor and reached a mature enough age, he was given a special robe, or toga. It was symbolic of his full rights in the family.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Out of curiosity can you share this scripture with me?

Does anybody know that feeling, when there's some gum on your shoe you can't seem to get away from.......

 

[ryanb6]

Does anhybody know that feeling, when there's some gum on your shoe you can't seem to get away from.......

that's your answer?

 

[Catholic Christian]

that's your answer?

pretty much

 

[Trento]

Out of curiosity can you share this scripture with me?

"But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people." Num. 15:30.


Deut. 17:8 & 13, “If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;.... And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.”




Presumption, as a sin, stems from pride, insolence, and arrogance. It is total rebellion against God and His appointed leaders.

 

[ryanb6]

read the book of 1 John for assurance.

 

[MarkEvan]

But you do not know what you will do in the future. You are "presuming" upon God, which is a sin

You are right I do not know what I will do in the future, non of my post was in reference to the future, it was in reference to now. I know that while I am being obediant "loving the LORD my God with all my heart all my soul, all my mind and all my strength" that I am saved, "he who endures to the end shall be saved," so long as I am enduring in Him I am saved, if we are exorted to testing ourselves by Paul, Peter even Christ himself is it wrong to come to the conclusion that we are saved?



Mark

 

[Trento]

You are right I do not know what I will do in the future, non of my post was in reference to the future, it was in reference to now. I know that while I am being obediant "loving the LORD my God with all my heart all my soul, all my mind and all my strength" that I am saved, "he who endures to the end shall be saved," so long as I am enduring in Him I am saved, if we are exorted to testing ourselves by Paul, Peter even Christ himself is it wrong to come to the conclusion that we are saved?



Mark

You might want to ask Saint Paul that question.

Why does Paul say:
•1 Cor. 4:4-5 - I am not conscious of anything against me, but I do not thereby stand acquitted; the one who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore, do not make any judgment before the appointed time, until the Lord comes , for he will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will manifest the motives of our hearts.

You make judgement and Paul says not to you are judging that you are saved.

•1 Cor. 9:27 - I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.

Paul is working hard driving his body but but still fears he might not make it.

 

[Catholic Christian]

read the book of 1 John for assurance.

1 Timothy 1:18-19:

"Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith."

 

[TrueFaith2]

You didn't answer my questions at all you just got stuck on the "you can lose salvation" bit. I don't believe that. I'm not catholic. And I wasn't asking if you can lose your salvation. I was asking how do you know you are saved.

Actually, it's not just catholics. Only very few reformed denominations believe in once saved allways saved. I saw someplace that like only less than 10% of all christians hold this non-scriptural doctrine.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Actually, it's not just catholics. Only very few reformed denominations believe in once saved allways saved. I saw someplace that like only less than 10% of all christians hold this non-scriptural doctrine.

Very true. I should have said that!