• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

KJV Only?

Are You KJV Only?

  • Yes

  • No


Results are only viewable after voting.
Status
Not open for further replies.

PrincetonGuy

Veteran
Feb 19, 2005
4,905
2,283
U.S.A.
✟172,798.00
Faith
Baptist
I have in my personal library vastly better resources for translating the Bible than the resources available to the translators of King James translation of the Bible. Therefore, even without the help of the Holy Spirit, I could do a far more accurate job that they did. Moreover, the Holy Spirit is just as able today as he was in the early 1600’s.

Does this not qualify for the "Statement made by pride" award of a lifetime? I believe this was said so well, I need not make any additional comments.

Jack

EVERY Christian man educated to be a pastor and having served as one for a number of years should have in his personal library vastly better resources for translating the Bible than the resources available to the translators of King James translation of the Bible. Therefore, even without the help of the Holy Spirit, they should be able do a far more accurate job that they did. With the help of the Holy Spirit, they should be able to do an even better job—indeed, a much better job. I fit in that category along with hundreds of thousands of other men. Is that something to be proud of? Certainly not—it is simply a consequence of being called into the pastoral ministry and serving in that ministry.
 
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
It's sad that Christians, even some godly ones who do not err in doctrine other than to ignore what the Bible says about God's promise to keep His Word recorded forever and preserved though at times through history mainly hidden and buried.....

sad that Christians think they can make up the Word of God as they go along claiming to have Holy Ghost guidance into all truth regardless of the same claim of others who disagree with them on the translation.....

either nobody is right or only one is right, there can't be two variations of the Word of God. You have no way of proving the Holy Ghost is guiding you into understanding the Word of God if you don't have His Word in writing with contractual force of His covenant promising to keep His Word. The only thing you can prove is guiding you when you say the Word of God is lost is your own feelings. How people fail to see their arrogance of intellectual pride when they say they are translating the Word of God and getting closer to the originals and they can tell ME all about what the Word of God was meant to say and I"m supposed to appreciate their intellectual insight?

Please, give me a break. I can read English and God gave me His Word in English without error so I can know Him as He is as He wants me to know Him. People who dismiss the fact that all modern versions are based on corrupt altered and edited manuscripts with changes inserted or things taken out by ungodly men like Wescott and Hort and ungodly women like the woman who left off the natural use of the man burning in her lust toward other women and then got paid for claiming to be putting the Word of God into "better" English known as the NIV which makes so many docrinal changes in key passages and changes so many things the I hesitate to list them because the list is tooooo long.

Sad that so many Christians today have bought into the lie that they themselves are the personal tranlsators of God for themselves (and a lot of them think the Holy Ghost wants them to share their renderings with everybody else to be admired as masters of the Word of God instead of being mastered by the Word of God.... rather than believing God has spoken clearly and what He said never changed and He was fully able to and has given us His Word in the King James Bible.

Vote King James Bible only. All modern versions belong in the garbage if you can't burn them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

Avid

A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
Sep 21, 2013
2,129
753
✟28,263.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
I wonder how it helps the cause to spam so many posts in a row?
I can think of FEW reasons he would, and should do that.
First: Too many times, long posts are not read through. Scanned, skimmed, or something, but not read through.

Second: The repetitive nature of these posts may cause trouble for some people trying to keep the items separate.

Third: For well over ten years I have done this (not all on this site,) and some people literally complain about a long post.

Fourth: There is a limit to the size of posts here. Too long, and it will not post the comment.

Fifth: There are things we like to do in posts that are not allowed for NEW members till they reach 50 posts, and that can curtail what is said.
It may seem odd to you, as you have a certain way you like doing things. None of those posts were short. I have seen posts in these forums that were one short sentence, one word, or just one smilie!!!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
,,,,,, WHY ALL SHOULD VOTE kJV ONLY IN THIS POLL,,,,,,,

LESSON ONE : Basic simple common sense logic and the written Word of God supporting preservation of scripture and accurate translation of preserved scripture into our native tongue.

One hundred years ago, John Burgon wrote:
If you and I believe that the original writings of the Scriptures were verbally inspired,
by God, then of necessity they must have been providentialy preserved through the ages.
This is the crux of the matter; does God preserve that Word which He originally inspired? And if so, to what extent? Is it merely the concepts and basic message that is kept intact, or does preservation, as inspiration, extend to the words themselves?
That the Bible declares both the fact and extent of its preservation is made abundantly clear in the following:

Know now that there shall fall unto the earth nothing of the word of the LORD..2 Kings 10:10

The words of the LORD are pure words, as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever...Ps 12:6,7

The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.. Ps... 19:7.
"The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations...Ps.. 33:11

For the LORD is good, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth to all generations Psalm 100:5

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven...Psalm 119:89

Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it" Psalm 119:40.....

Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever ...Psalm 119:152..

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.....Psalm 119:160...

Every word of God is pure...Proverbs 30:5

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever Isa ...40:8...
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it...Is 55:11...

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled....Matther5:18

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away...Mt 24:35....


And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail..Luke 16:17...

The scripture cannot be broken...John 10:35....

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" .....First Peter 1:23

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever...1 Pet. 1:25...


We have a strange anomaly today; Christians claim to believe what the Bible says about it's own inspiration, but virtually ignore the equally direct statements concerning preservation. To say that you believe in the full inspiration of Scripture while at the same time accepting the textual theories inherent in modern versions is about as incongruous as taking Genisis one literally while holding to the theories of Darwin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
I can think of FEW reasons he would, and should do that.
First: Too many times, long posts are not read through. Scanned, skimmed, or something, but not read through.

Second: The repetitive nature of these posts may cause trouble for some people trying to keep the items separate.

Third: For well over ten years I have done this (not all on this site,) and some people literally complain about a long post.

Fourth: There is a limit to the size of posts here. Too long, and it will not post the comment.

Fifth: There are things we like to do in posts that are not allowed for NEW members till they reach 50 posts, and that can curtail what is said.
It may seem odd to you, as you have a certain way you like doing things. None of those posts were short. I have seen posts in these forums that were one short sentence, one word, or just one smilie!!!

Are you afraid to listen to why the Bible says God's Word is preserved without error? Are you afraid to look at the doctrine of preservation in the Bible? Are you afraid to acknowlege the changes in doctrine in the new versions, the deletions of key phrases and the changes of key words in the translations? Why don't you read my posts and respond to them directly and intelligently as if you actually read them? I placed those posts to show why versions other than the King James Bible cannot possibly be the Word of God in English, and other posts I gave logical reasoning as well as scriptural support for the fact that God said exactly what He said and we have it in our own language.

The reason you are making attacks on me personally is because I am logically pointing out that believe in the inerrent preservation of scripture and confidence in God's desire, abiltiy, and accomplishment of giving His Word to us in English is a matter of faith in God vs faith in one's own intellect to determine what the "lost" originals "may actually" have said.

You are attacking me personally because I am challenging your intellectual pride which sets itself up as the Holy Ghost guided translator for you to guess God's Word according to your own feelings and preferences of interpretation. Any true God-fearing born again blood bought child of God should vote in favor of His Word being preserved without error simply because God promised He would do it.

I am fully away that many great godly men such as Charles Stanley and J. Vernon McGhee (not sure I spelled Vernon's name right) did not hold to the verbal plenary inspiration of scripture after it is translated ....this is a mistake. Godly men don't feel like they have to resort to childish insults to discuss this topic. I have discussed this topic with godly leaders who could state their disagreement and reason for disagreement in a civil fashion by which we could still together walk in fear of God and love each other as the Lord commanded. If you are unable to do this when you disagree with me, something is wrong and it's NOT the Word of God.
 
Upvote 0

LostMarbels

All-Lives-Matter
Jun 18, 2011
11,953
3,863
50
Orlando Fl
✟173,798.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
** repost **

The first full bible with both OT and NT was the Peshito or Syriac. The date is uncertain, but agreed to be late first century, 160 AD to early 2nd century 240 AD. An guess what? This, the very first complete bible contains thise verse:


36
And as they went on their way, they came to a certain place where there was water And the abstainer said: Behold, water ! What prevents me from being baptized
37
And Philip said: If you believe with all your heart, it may be so And he answered, and said: I believe that Jesus the Messiah is the Son of God
38
And he ordered the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, and Philip baptized the abstainer


Codex Sinaiticus, written around 330 AD Said to contain the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament was commissioned from Eusebius by Roman Emperor Constantine. An yet the verse is missing. Why? Lets take a look. When Constantine became emperor of the Western Roman Empire in 312, he attributed his victory to the Christian God. During Constantine's reign, approximately half of those who identified themselves as Christian did not subscribe to the mainstream version of the faith.Constantine feared that disunity would displease God and lead to trouble for the Empire, so he took military and judicial measures to eliminate some sects of Christianity. To resolve other disputes, Constantine began the practice of calling ecumenical councils to determine binding interpretations of Church doctrine. In 380, mainstream Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.Christianity became more associated with the Empire, resulting in persecution for Christians living outside of the empire, as their rulers feared Christians would revolt in favor of the Emperor. Then St. Jerome, who was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382. compiled the first official RCC bible in 400 AD, the Latin Vulgate. Which of course, does not contain the verse. In 385, this new legal authority of the Church resulted in the first use of capital punishment being pronounced as a sentence upon a Christian 'heretic", and the birth of the military might we now know as the RCC.

I think some people need to read up on the creation of the English version of the bible, and see how many were put to death, or jailed and hated by the Catholic Church. No king would dare go against the Pope, so the only way to become "authorized" by the Pope, put the Apocrypha in your bible, and adhere to RCC cannon. Also, the Catholic church was THE authority, no one came before the Holy Catholic Church. Not even God. Here are 2 examples.

John Wycliffe. To Wycliffe, the Church is all of those who accepted Christ as savior. Including the Christians on earth who are living; those who are in heaven, and those in death. He also preached that no man, priest or not was saved just for being a Catholic. There was one holy and universal church outside of it there is no salvation. Its head is Christ. He used to base this assertion off of Ephesians.

Eph 5:23,-24 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Wycliffe believed and publicly preached that " No pope may say that he is the head of the church, for he cannot say that he is elect or even a member of the Church". Also the "church" was not of the world but of God. This really angered the Catholic church, and the came against Wycliffe.

And guess what was in his bible? Da ta dahhh!!!!!!!! The verse:

35 And Philip opened his mouth, and began at this scripture, and preached to him Jesus. 36 And while they went by the way, they came to a water [they came to some water]. And the gelding said, Lo! water; who forbiddeth me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest of all thine heart, it is leaveful. And he answered, and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they went down both into the water, Philip and the gelding, and Philip baptized him [and he baptized him]

On 4 May 1415, (after his death) the Council of Constance declared Wycliffe a heretic and under the ban of the Church. It was decreed that his books (the bible) be burned and his remains be exhumed. The exhumation was carried out in 1428 when, at the command of Pope Martin V, Wycliffe's remains were dug up, burned, and the ashes were thrown into the River Swift.

Then, there was William Tyndale.Tyndale's translation was the first English Bible to draw directly from Hebrew and Greek texts, ( The codex's, and not from the Latin Vulgate ) also the first English Bible to take advantage of the printing press, and first of the new English Bibles of the Reformation. It was taken to be a direct challenge to the hegemony of both the Roman Catholic Church and English Laws to maintain church rulings. The catholic Church maintained that the word of God was only to be interpreted and preached by "men of the cloth" and was to stay in Latin so common men could not read it.Tyndale was arrested and imprisoned in the castle of Vilvoorden for over 500 days in horrible conditions. He was tried for heresy and treason in a ridiculously unfair trial, and convicted. Tyndale was then strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard, Oct. 6, 1536. His last words were, "Lord, open the king of England's eyes."

Just take a wild guess what was in his bible.............. Just take a stab at it.

The more you read about it you will find out people were forced to accept Catholic rule, and the Apocrypha; or be tortured, jailed, and possibly murdered. I mean they would just torture you to you admitted anything anyways....... no one stood a chance against the Catholic Church at this point in time. They literally told the masses what to believe, how to believe, and how to worship. Or else you ended up in an inquisition, and either were tortured until you confessed you were a heretic, or died from the torture. Please take into account that sola scriptura is an act of heresy against the church.

Jesus said that no house can stand divided, so that leads to a very interesting question. How could to know (accepted) leader of Christianity come against anyone that recognized the authority of God as supreme over the earthly church, as a heretic? Simple, it was not from God. My lord and savior Jesus Christ did not kill people for preaching the gospel. There in-lies a very real attack against the bible, and the wording used. Satan is the author of confusion, and father of lies. The Cacophony of versions to follow all have different shades of meaning, wording, and even missing verses. THAT IS NO ACCIDENT OR "NEW' TRANSLATION. It is an attack to make confusion of the word of God.

All of the new translations from the RSV in 1952; to the NKJV in 1982 ( only 30 years ago ), and beyond, all lean heavily on the dead sea scrolls and newly discovered Manuscripts. Yet, some believe they are more accurate than the 1611 kjv that came from the original manuscripts from 1500BC to 100AD. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Upvote 0

tall73

Sophia7's husband
Site Supporter
Sep 23, 2005
32,698
6,115
Visit site
✟1,053,971.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I apologize for the delay in answering, I have been very busy. Please excuse the lengthy answer; sometimes these things are necessary.



I do indeed believe that many textbooks are corrupt, due to the wrong assertions of modern textual criticism. Much of the problem of this textual criticism stems from the fact that it was developed from German Rationalism, which was part of German Philosophy. It is my firm belief that proper Bible Philosophy is built upon proper Bible Theology. Because men like Semler, Griesbach, Westtcott, and Hort all had improper theology, their philosophy of the Bible suffered as well. When one denies the Divine Authorship of the Scriptures, as well as believing the OT and NT were not equally authoritative, this leads to improper philosophy (in this case love of Biblical knowledge).

This is why textual criticism teaches that 'classification' of scripture should only be taken according to its classification. For example, the 'poetry' books should only be taken poetically. Herein lies a problem.
We read in Psalm106: 32 They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:33 Because they provoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

We read also, Psalm 74: 14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

Now the question we must pose to textual critics is simply this: God the Holy Spirit gave a historical record, which gives further clarification of a previously recorded historical event. Can this record be taken as a proper historical record, even though it is in a poetical book. Do we we take into account 2 Timothy 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
And, 2 Peter 1: 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If we follow the philosophy of textual critics, we deny the historical account. If we follow the scripture, we accept the historical account.

The KJV translators did something modern scholarship fails to do: they based their translation on proper philosophy of the Bible, because that philosophy was anchored in proper theology.

You still have not shown how there is an over-arching conspiracy to take over the textbook world, or particularly the textbook Dean referenced. Are you going to do that?


The argument posed by DeaconDean is predicated on only one possible rendering of σπουδάζω. "diligent". We know this is not the case. Is it the primary meaning? Yes. But can the word 'study' be used as a alternative? Yes. What is the contextual significance of each? The answer lies in the following words: "rightly dividing the word of truth".

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

As both a former pastor of many years, a teacher of biblical studies for many years, together with much research (again, for many years), I have come to the realization that there is a huge difference between "diligence", and "study". I have had many people serve with me over the years that were very diligent. This diligence however, did not aid them in "rightly dividing the word of truth". I also have had many that would do a reasonable amount of study. This helped them somewhat. It is only when one takes the root meaning of σπουδάζω (diligence), along with its secondary meaning (study), that one is able to rightly divide the word of truth. The problem here is that diligent is but an adverb, while study is the verb that shows where we are to be diligent, in order to rightly divide the word of truth.
Adverb? It is rendered as an action twice in the same book alone, by the KJV.

Now the whole context says more than just study:

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;



The context is to tell it straight from the word, the underlying meaning of what they render "rightly dividing." This is because so many were not telling it straight. He is urging him to be diligent as a minister of the word, not engaging in words to no profit (ironic, given this conversation), and shunning vain babblings.

He is speaking about his ministry of the word, not just his reading and digging into the word. He already knew the Scriptures from the age of a child, as we are later told, and received teaching from Paul and others. Paul's concern is not whether Timothy is off track doctrinally, but whether he will use the gift given to him by the laying on of hands. He wants Timothy to be a diligent minister of the Word, not just learner of the Word. He wants Timothy to rebuke those who are off course in the church. Note Paul's confidence in what Timothy learned, and his urging to use what he learned to rebuke, correct, and instruct in righteousness.

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.



Paul's concern is that Timothy will be diligent in carrying out his ministry of the word, not that he is going to get the wrong message.

And it was already presented to you in one of my earlier posts that the archaic meaning of study was more related to diligence then to what we think of as study today.

Dictionary.com

1250-1300; (noun) Middle English studie < Old French estudie < Latin studium, equivalent to stud (&#275;re) to be busy with, devote oneself to, concentrate on + -ium -ium; (v.) Middle English studien < Old French estudier < Medieval Latin studi&#257;re, derivative of studium
It is likely they meant be diligent in any case.
Nowhere did I claim this was a "Roman Catholic" conspiracy. I HAVE repeatedly stated (elsewhere) that modern textual criticism is the offspring (if you would), of German Rationalism/Philosophy.
That is good to hear that you do not think the former. Not everyone has read all your posts "elsewhere" so I had only your quite vague post here to go on.

If you had spelled out the text book conspiracy more in this thread one would not have to misunderstand your meaning.

I still see no particular evidence to undercut the text Dean quoted.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
I am trying to understand your position here. Can you explain how the KJV is better than the Bishop's Bible for instance, in preserving God's word? The translation committee often followed its readings. Or how is it better than other English Bibles that were made before it? It was not the first English Bible. The Geneva Bible was also quite popular before the KJV. Why would the KJV preserve God's word more than it? Were the people who read these earlier English Bibles without God's word? The Geneva Bible was the first one to be mass produced in print, which greatly increased access to the word.

You are comparing to modern translations, and I can see where you are going with that. However, can you please try to spell out so I, and others reading, can understand, what is your basis for finding the KJV to be the preserved word of God if it was not the first English Bible?

This is part of the disconnect I am having. If God preserves His word, can you have a time where it is not preserved? What about folks before the English translations were made?


Excellent questions, this is a lot of work for me...which I enjoy...
Many are attacking me personally rather than asking honest questions because they are not interested in asking honest questions and listening to honest answers but prefer rather to reject from the outset that God actually did what He said He would do to preserve His Word exactly as He gave it to the men He chose to write it down. What good is God's Word if we don't know what it said? What good is His Word is it was lost, changed, copied with human error, or distorted in translation? I'm asking these questions as the basic appeal of this topic..Do we believe God's Word is accurate and fully dependable because it is accurate or do we beleive we really can't depend on His Word and we have to try to get as close to it as we possibly can though we never can quite get it because it was lost after He gave it to holy men of God who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost?


Can you have a time when God's Word is not preserved? No. He told men to write it down, He guided them in that writing, and He made sure they kept it safe and when they were unable to do it, He did it Himself because He is God and He gave His Word and He keeps it. The fact that my great great great great grandmother had no possible way of getting a copy of the Word of God did not mean it was not kept accurately preserved somewhere.

What about peeps (I hate the common use of the term "folks", you'll have to pardon me for that, I'm sure I'll be criticized for airing my feelings on that but I'll try to avoid discussing it) before the English translation was made?
Well, what about peeps ( I really dislike all slang, but sometimes it seems necessary in communications today when people have become lazy in framing thier thoughts in clear and accurate language)...peeps before the English translations were made? Have you heard of the Dark Ages, when the Catholic Church ruled and prevented Bibles from being published? Throughout history, ever since God first gave His Word to Adam telling him verbatim to not eat of the tree of the knowlege of good and evil, evil forces have tried to change, distort, and destroy the testimony of His Word which first was given to Adam and Eve got confused about it.

As for the Bishop's Bible and the Geneva Bible,....briefly, you can research these things easily....

The Bishop's Bible fell by the wayside because the King James Version was superior, and the Geneva Bible fell into disfavor because of Calvinistic and Puritan annotations.


All previous translations were thorougly eclipsed by the King James Bible, and all versions today are based on manuscript families which are corrupt and were rejected by godly chuch leaders while ungodly men and Catholics promoted them. Only the King James Bible qualifies as the Word of God today. William Tyndale of Oxford and Cambrige distinction vowed to devote his life to translating the scriptures from the original languages for his fellowmen to read in their mother tongue. His life was on the line for doing this as Rome's terror worked through English bishops. Tyndales completed new testament in 1525 was made into an estimated 18,000 copies and secretly shipped to England. Tyndale knew that the Spanish Inquisition had burned to death 8800 and imprisoned 90,000 for thier faith, and he knew fire awaited him if he fell into hands backed by Rome's authority. Piles of Tyndale's English New Testament were burned in England, and Tyndale knew his place in that fire if the Catholic authorities of England got hold of him.

Tyndale testified " In burning the New Testament, they did none other thing than I looked for; no more shall they do if they burn me also, if it be God's will, it shall be so. Nevertheless, in translating the New Testament I did my duty and so do I now."

Tyndale was betrayed and taken to be executed, tied to a stake, stranled, then burned, and at his death in flames prayed loudly..."Lord, open the King of England's eyes". In a blaze of glory, he won the hearts of believers in England and Europe and earned the title of "Hero of the Reformation". His Bible was the foundation of other Protestant Bibles, the greatest being the King James Bible.

John Rogers followed Tyndale in martyrdom after he took up Tyndales pen to finish translating the Old Testament. He completed it in 1537 calling it the Matthews Bible after his pen name "Thomas Matthew".

Rome did not give up on it's desire to subdue England, and in light of it's threats, 1000 Protestant ministers in England petitioned King James to authorize a new translation to give England a superior and enduring translation true to the Protestant Faith. That's what God wanted for the English speaking world and He used it to change CONTINENTS. That is the King James Authorized Bible. We have the Word of God today brought to us by Him through the blood of His martyrs as they stood up in obedience to God and defied the Church of Rome. God always promised to preserve His Word, but He never promised editors would get paid for it and He never promised that the men He used to bring His Word to the English speaking world would not have to pay for their obedience to God with their own lives in torturous execution..and they paid with joy in obedience to God .......

There is a reason History is being neglected today....it's to weaken the church and hinder the gospel by attacking the Word of God to say it is lost and unreliable and open to interpretation and impossible to know what it really is.

Vote in this Poll in favor of the Word of God being preserved for the English speaking world in the King James Bible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

tall73

Sophia7's husband
Site Supporter
Sep 23, 2005
32,698
6,115
Visit site
✟1,053,971.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Excellent questions, this is a lot of work for me...which I enjoy...
Many are attacking me personally rather than asking honest questions because they are not interested in asking honest questions and listening to honest answers but prefer rather to reject from the outset that God actually did what He said He would do to preserve His Word exactly as He gave it to the men He chose to write it down. What good is God's Word if we don't know what it said? What good is His Word is it was lost, changed, copied with human error, or distorted in translation? I'm asking these questions as the basic appeal of this topic..Do we believe God's Word is accurate and fully dependable because it is accurate or do we beleive we really can't depend on His Word and we have to try to get as close to it as we possibly can though we never can quite get it because it was lost after He gave it to holy men of God who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost?


Can you have a time when God's Word is not preserved? No. He told men to write it down, He guided them in that writing, and He made sure they kept it safe and when they were unable to do it, He did it Himself because He is God and He gave His Word and He keeps it. The fact that my great great great great grandmother had no possible way of getting a copy of the Word of God did not mean it was not kept accurately preserved somewhere.

What about peeps (I hate the common use of the term "folks", you'll have to pardon me for that, I'm sure I'll be criticized for airing my feelings on that but I'll try to avoid discussing it) before the English translation was made?
Well, what about peeps ( I really dislike all slang, but sometimes it seems necessary in communications today when people have become lazy in framing thier thoughts in clear and accurate language)...peeps before the English translations were made? Have you heard of the Dark Ages, when the Catholic Church ruled and prevented Bibles from being published? Throughout history, ever since God first gave His Word to Adam telling him verbatim to not eat of the tree of the knowlege of good and evil, evil forces have tried to change, distort, and destroy the testimony of His Word which first was given to Adam and Eve got confused about it.

As for the Bishop's Bible and the Geneva Bible,....briefly, you can research these things easily....

The Bishop's Bible fell by the wayside because the King James Version was superior, and the Geneva Bible fell into disfavor because of Calvinistic and Puritan annotations.


All previous translations were thorougly eclipsed by the King James Bible, and all versions today are based on manuscript families which are corrupt and were rejected by godly chuch leaders while ungodly men and Catholics promoted them. Only the King James Bible qualifies as the Word of God today. William Tyndale of Oxford and Cambrige distinction vowed to devote his life to translating the scriptures from the original languages for his fellowmen to read in their mother tongue. His life was on the line for doing this as Rome's terror worked through English bishops. Tyndales completed new testament in 1525 was made into an estimated 18,000 copies and secretly shipped to England. Tyndale knew that the Spanish Inquisition had burned to death 8800 and imprisoned 90,000 for thier faith, and he knew fire awaited him if he fell into hands backed by Rome's authority. Piles of Tyndale's English New Testament were burned in England, and Tyndale knew his place in that fire if the Catholic authorities of England got hold of him.

Tyndale testified " In burning the New Testament, they did none other thing than I looked for; no more shall they do if they burn me also, if it be God's will, it shall be so. Nevertheless, in translating the New Testament I did my duty and so do I now."

Tyndale was betrayed and taken to be executed, tied to a stake, stranled, then burned, and at his death in flames prayed loudly..."Lord, open the King of England's eyes". In a blaze of glory, he won the hearts of believers in England and Europe and earned the title of "Hero of the Reformation". His Bible was the foundation of other Protestant Bibles, the greatest being the King James Bible.

John Rogers followed Tyndale in martyrdom after he took up Tyndales pen to finish translating the Old Testament. He completed it in 1537 calling it the Matthews Bible after his pen name "Thomas Matthew".

Rome did not give up on it's desire to subdue England, and in light of it's threats, 1000 Protestant ministers in England petitioned King James to authorize a new translation to give England a superior and enduring translation true to the Protestant Faith. That's what God wanted for the English speaking world and He used it to change CONTINENTS. That is the King James Authorized Bible. We have the Word of God today brought to us by Him through the blood of His martyrs as they stood up in obedience to God and defied the Church of Rome. God always promised to preserve His Word, but He never promised editors would get paid for it and He never promised that the men He used to bring His Word to the English speaking world would not have to pay for their obedience to God with their own lives in torturous execution..and they paid with joy in obedience to God .......

There is a reason History is being neglected today....it's to weaken the church and hinder the gospel by attacking the Word of God to say it is lost and unreliable and open to interpretation and impossible to know what it really is.

Vote in this Poll in favor of the Word of God being preserved for the English speaking world in the King James Bible.


Thank you for clarifying your position. If I may, a couple of follow-up points.

Was God's word preserved in the portions of the Tyndale Bible that were completed?

Though inferior in some ways was God's word preserved in the Bishop's Bible?

And perhaps the one I am most interested in, could God's word be preserved in a New English Translation that worked from the same manuscripts as the KJV, but sought to update some of the archaic terms, in your view?
 
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
People simply have a natural tendancy to elevate themselves rather than submit to authority. When you assert the King James Bible as being the Word of God in English, that means it is authoritative over them and it hurts their pride to think they have to understand God according to His Word rather than figure God's Word out according to their own personal feelings and preferences. This whole issue on a personal level is pride vs. faith, and on the stage of the world it is a battle between the Word of God prevailing over the Liar (Satan) who only seeks to confused and mislead into Hell by distorting and obscuring the Word of God to keep the glorious light of the gospel from shining through to darkened minds so they can be converted from death in Hell to eternal life with the risen Saviour.

The stronges arguments I have seen, the most well researched, documented, and presented arguments which far surpass anything I have seen in this thread while they incorporated all of the little points mentioned as objections or contentions against the Word of God accurately translated and preserved in English as it is preserved from the originals.....those arguments can be found on PAGAN websites, and all the people here who fight agaisnt the preservation of scripture and their accurate translation in English are talking just like those Pagans but with less organization and less documentation..but saying the same things ...AND THOSE PAGANS ARE CHEERING YOU ON because you are discrediting the Word of God which is their whole lifes purpose as they believe they have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell simply because they are not burning in it now and when you say the Word of God is not preserved, inspired, and innacurate..YOU HAVE NOTHING WITH WHICH TO ANSWER THOSE PAGANS and somehow you think you are smart.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

Avid

A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
Sep 21, 2013
2,129
753
✟28,263.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Are you afraid to listen to why the Bible says God's Word is preserved without error? Are you afraid to look at the doctrine of preservation in the Bible? Are you afraid to acknowlege the changes in doctrine in the new versions, the deletions of key phrases and the changes of key words in the translations? Why don't you read my posts and respond to them directly and intelligently as if you actually read them?
Have you read this thread? Did you even read my post???!!!

The following is from my post which is #45 in this thread:

... Many decades ago, I sat down with a young woman who used a different Bible, and liked it. It seems our discussions brought her to a place where she was willing to compare the two translations. The standard was to be a list of 200 verses, many of which were changed or omitted from modern translations that were from different manuscript sets than the KJV.

After we made it most of the way through the list, she wanted to stop. She put down her NASV, took up the KJV, and hasn't looked back. I know this because we have since gotten married, and that was over 32 years ago.

That list is available at the following link:

http://www.achristianspirit.com/200VERSES.HTML

... I didn't really own a KJV Bible till I was in my twenties. It has been a learning experience for me ever since. It was about the time I began learning the importance of it that I managed to get a good one, and have spent many hours in it, and multiple other exact copies (Schofield Ref.) that I have used after getting that one.
You may have mistaken my intent, so please do some reading here!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
J

Jack Koons

Guest
I think one of the faults found in these threads, is the fact that most people who enter at a later point in the thread, fail to take the time to read the entire thread. This lack of reading causes them to draw conclusions that would not have been formed had they taken the time to read the entire thread.

Just for the record SaintJoeNow, Avid has been a KJV supporter in this tread.

Jack
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

Avid

A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
Sep 21, 2013
2,129
753
✟28,263.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
... To Wycliffe, the Church is all of those who accepted Christ as savior. Including the Christians on earth who are living; those who are in heaven, and those in death. He also preached that no man, priest or not was saved just for being a Catholic. There was one holy and universal church outside of it there is no salvation. Its head is Christ...
Thank you for reposting that excellent note. Your point is made in a pamphlet that I had seen many years ago. In reference to the person who is part of God's one true Church, it states:
"He may be ex-communicated by ordained men, and cut off from the outward ordinances of the professing Church; but all the ordained men in the world cannot shut him out of the true Church."
J. C. Ryle, THE TRUE CHURCH

This pamphlet mentions a word that is misused by the Roman Church, and has a bad connotation to many people. However, more than 100 years ago, the word "catholic" was used differently at times by those of other Churches. It is intended as a general term, though I do not like seeing it even in this good treatment of the subject.

THE TRUE CHURCH
by J. C. Ryle (1816-1900)
Liverpool, England


http://www.achristianspirit.com/TrueChurch.html

May God bless each of us with understanding from His Holy Spirit in these matters.
Your Avid proponent of Tyndale, Coverdale, Linacre, Colet, Erasmus, and the many who gave their lives for us to have an English Bible translated from sound manuscripts.
 
Upvote 0

LostMarbels

All-Lives-Matter
Jun 18, 2011
11,953
3,863
50
Orlando Fl
✟173,798.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
&#8220;We have a large public that is very ignorant about public affairs and very susceptible to simplistic slogans by candidates who appear out of nowhere, have no track record, but mouth appealing slogans&#8221;


Zbigniew Brzezinski

Ok, so who is Zbigniew Brzezinski, and why am I quoting him? He is in the Council on Foreign Relations, was National Security Advisor to President Carter and adviser to Presidents Reagan, Bush the First, and is still a major player in current world wide politics. He is even the current United States Ambassador to Sweden. Why I'm quoting him is because of his book:

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives

Read that title carefully This book is a statement of world wide guidelines that must be taken for America to remain supreme.

What does this have to do with the Bible? I'm getting to that.



"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."


-- "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives," by Zbigniew Brzezinski (1997),

Ok.... so for Americans to buy into what they are selling, we will need to have a "truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat". Remember this was written in 1997.

So why did we go to war? WMD's, Taliban, 9/11 etc. etc....

Why is this important? Because he has done it before in other nations.


&#8220;I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the Khmer Rouge. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him. But China could.&#8221;


Zbigniew Brzezinski

Yep, he just admitted that the United States supported Pol Pot, a mass murdering psychopath thru political relations with China. The combined effects of executions, forced labor, malnutrition, and poor medical care caused the deaths of approximately 25 percent of the Cambodian population. Why would anyone support this man?

Dose this ring any bells? Red flags waving yet?

He also goes on to brag about his involvement in the creation of the Taliban in order to bring down the soviet union.


Here we see the confrontation of liberal democracy as a perceived threat, and as the means of constructing a 'more controlled and directed society'.


&#8220;Another threat, less overt but no less basic, confronts liberal democracy. More directly linked to the impact of technology, it involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific know how. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Under such circumstances, the scientific and technological momentum of the country would not be reversed but would actually feed on the situation it exploits.
&#8230; Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence would be the steppingstones in the piecemeal transformation of the United States into a highly controlled society.&#8221;


Zbigniew Brzezinski

You get that? A liberal democracy that causes Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality to lead them, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence. Hmmmm, where have I seen that come to pass.....

So.... to what end? What is he getting at?

I think it is important to ask ourselves as citizens, not as Democrats attacking the administration, but as citizens, whether a world power can really provide global leadership on the basis of fear and anxiety?

The choice: Global domination, or global leadership.

Zbigniew Brzezinski


The USA has time, after time, after time again, created, bank rolled, and exploited terrorist cells, and actions against regimes in order to intact social economic, and political change.

With Zbigniew Brzezinski as his national security adviser, it was Jimmy Carter who facilitated the return of Ayatollah Khomeini to Iran. The Carter-Brzezinski axis is very much responsible for the Islamic revolution&#8212;the most dangerous revolution that has occurred in human history, a revolution that threatens the existence of every nation-state.

As a crypto-Marxist, Brzezinski deplores the nation-state. His book Between Two Ages: America&#8217;s Role in the Technetronic Era, declares that &#8220;With the splitting and eclipse of Christianity man began to worship a new deity: the nation. The nation became a mystical object claiming man&#8217;s love and loyalty. The nation-state along with the doctrine of national sovereignty fragmented humanity. It could not provide a rational framework within which the relations between nations could develop. &#8221; Brzezinski sees the nation-state as having only partly increased man&#8217;s social consciousness and only partially alleviated the human condition.

&#8220;That is why Marxism,&#8221; he contends, &#8220;represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing and man&#8217;s universal vision.&#8221; Marxism, he says, &#8220;was the most powerful doctrine for generating a universal and secular human consciousness.&#8221; Embodied in the Soviet Union, however, Communism became the dogma of a party and, under Stalin, &#8220;was wedded to Russian nationalism.&#8221;

Although Brzezinski poses as a humanist, he makes a most inhumane statement by saying that: &#8220;although Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy, for both the Russian people and Communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was &#8230; a blessing in disguise.&#8221; Ponder this shocking statement about Islam or of Islamic imperialism. Yes, it slaughtered more than 200 million people, but Islam brought hundreds of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist communities under a single universal vision, that of the Quran .

Listen to the implications this is having on the bible, and convince me they have not tried to pervert the word of God since the 1970's when the "new" versions appeared.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
J

Jack Koons

Guest
This was a post of mine covering some of the history of Teztual Criticism:

Part Two

Continuing with our study:

I Googled the name Siegmund Jakob Baumgarten, which took me to the following link:

Siegmund Jakob Baumgarten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following excerpts were taken from the above site:

“Siegmund Jakob Baumgarten (14 March 1706, Wolmirstedt – 4 July 1757, Halle) was a German Protestant theologian. He was a brother to philosopher Alexander Gottlieb Baumgarten (1714-1762).
He studied theology at the University of Halle, and in 1728 the 22-year old Baumgarten, a Hallensian Pietist and bibliophile, was appointed as minister of the "Marktkirche Unser Lieben Frauen" (Market Church of Our Dear Lady). In 1730 he became an associate professor at Halle, where in 1734 he was appointed a full professor of theology. In 1748 he was named as university rector. At the end of his life he translated encyclopedic articles and biographies from English into German.[1]
Baumgarten was a follower of the philosophical teachings of Christian Wolff (1679-1754), and is regarded as a transitional theologian from the Pietism of Philipp Jakob Spener (1635-1705) and August Hermann Francke (1663-1727) to that of modern rationalism. He was a prodigious writer and published works on exegesis, hermeneutics, dogmatics and history. He was author of the first sixteen volumes of the Allgemeine Welthistorie (General World History), which after his death, was continued by his assistant Johann Salomo Semler (1725-1791).”


Here things have a tendency to get rather interesting. If you haven't taken notice, there is a consistent use of the title “German Rationalism”. This title is going to be joined by another title, “German Philosophy”. Notice the above sentence, “Baumgarten was a follower of the philosophical teachings of Christian Wolff (1679-1754), and is regarded as a transitional theologian from the Pietism of Philipp Jakob Spener (1635-1705) and August Hermann Francke (1663-1727) to that of modern rationalism.”


It is now time to follow the next name, Christian Wolff.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Wolff_(philosopher)


The following excerpt was taken from the above site:


“Christian Wolff (less correctly Wolf; also known as Wolfius; ennobled as: Christian Freiherr von Wolff; 24 January 1679 – 9 April 1754) was a German philosopher.
He was the most eminent German philosopher between Leibniz and Kant. His main achievement was a complete oeuvreon almost every scholarly subject of his time, displayed and unfolded according to his demonstrative-deductive, mathematical method, which perhaps represents the peak of Enlightenment rationality in Germany.”


Notice, “He was the most eminent German philosopher between Leibniz and Kant”. What is the common thread among these men? For one, they were all “German Philosophers”. Let's see what that heading uncovers:


German philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The following excerpts were taken from the above site:


“German philosophy, here taken to mean either (1) philosophy in the German language or (2) philosophy by Germans, has been extremely diverse, and central to both the analytic and continental traditions in philosophy for centuries, from Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz through Immanuel Kant, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Arthur Schopenhauer, Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, Martin Heidegger and Ludwig Wittgenstein to contemporary philosophers. Søren Kierkegaard (a Danish philosopher) is frequently included in surveys of German (or Germanic) philosophy due to his extensive engagement with German thinkers.[1][2][3][4]”


I want you to notice the names above. Two of the above names were mentioned on the site pertaining to Christian Wolff (above); those names were: 1) Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, and 2) Immanuel Kant. Later on this same page, these two men are briefly discussed.
“Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646–1716) was both a philosopher and a mathematician who wrote primarily in Latin and French. Leibniz, along with René Descartes and Baruch Spinoza, was one of the three great 17th century advocates of rationalism. The work of Leibniz also anticipated modern logic and analytic philosophy, but his philosophy also looks back to the scholastic tradition, in which conclusions are produced by applying reason to first principles or a priori definitions rather than to empirical evidence.
Leibniz is noted for his optimism - his Théodicée[5] tries to justify the apparent imperfections of the world by claiming that it is optimal among all possible worlds. It must be the best possible and most balanced world, because it was created by an all powerful and all knowing God, who would not choose to create an imperfect world if a better world could be known to him or possible to exist. In effect, apparent flaws that can be identified in this world must exist in every possible world, because otherwise God would have chosen to create the world that excluded those flaws.”


We see above the words, “The work of Leibniz also anticipated modern logic and analytic philosophy, but his philosophy also looks back to the scholastic tradition, in which conclusions are produced by applying reason to first principles or a priori definitions rather than to empirical evidence”. Today, we here much about “empirical evidence”, (that evidence which is obtained through observation or experience), Leibniz, refused to observe the fact that all of the scripture of his day, was that which all the churches of Europe, and all of Asia Minor had been using from the time of Christ until his day. The only exception of course, was the Church of Rome.


I want you to take notice to the philosophy of Leibniz. Notice in the second paragraph it states, “It must be the best possible and most balanced world, because it was created by an all powerful and all knowing God, who would not choose to create an imperfect world if a better world could be known to him or possible to exist. In effect, apparent flaws that can be identified in this world must exist in every possible world, because otherwise God would have chosen to create the world that excluded those flaws.”
Does this mean that Leibniz does not believe in “Heaven” as described in the Bible? A place that has no sorrow, pain, suffering, or sin. This is the “rationalism” that both Leibniz and other German Philoshers/ Rationalists believed.


On the same site we read:


“In 1781, Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) published his Critique of Pure Reason, in which he attempted to determine what we can and cannot know through the use of reason independent of all experience. Briefly, he came to the conclusion that we could come to know an external world through experience, but that what we could know about it was limited by the limited terms in which the mind can think: if we can only comprehend things in terms of cause and effect, then we can only know causes and effects. It follows from this that we can know the form of all possible experience independent of all experience, but nothing else, but we can never know the world from the “standpoint of nowhere” and therefore we can never know the world in its entirety, neither via reason nor experience.
Since the publication of his Critique, Immanuel Kant has been considered one of the greatest influences in all of western philosophy. In the late 18th and early 19th century, one direct line of influence from Kant is German Idealism.”


I would like you to notice the last paragraph, “Since the publication of his Critique, Immanuel Kant has been considered one of the greatest influences in all of western philosophy. In the late 18th and early 19th century, one direct line of influence from Kant is German Idealism.”


Please remember, what we have seen in the previous articles is that the root, or beginning of textual criticism is in German rationalism, German philosophy, and here we see that one of the “greatest influences in all of western philosophy” is a man named Immanuel Kant who had a “direct line of influence” called “German Idealism”. (Which just happens to be covered on the same site.)


“The German Idealists believed there were problems with Kant’s system and sought to place it on firmer grounds. They were also greatly concerned with the problem of freewill as understood through Kantianism: practical reason presupposes a freewill, and yet according to theoretical reason, everything is predetermined in a complete system of causality. Therefore either everything in possible experience isn’t predetermined, which contradicts the universality of pure reason, or the freewill is outside the system of causality and can have no effect on it, rendering the will useless.
The three most prominent German Idealists were Johann Gottlieb Fichte (1762–1814), Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling(1775–1854) and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831). On some interpretations, Hegel did away with Kantianism altogether to achieve absolute knowledge, while others read him as working within the confines of Kantianism. His method of dialectics has become a commonplace means of reasoning in continental philosophy.”


Again, please notice the names in the second paragraph: “...Johann Gottlieb Fichte (1762–1814), Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling(1775–1854) and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831).”


The last name above was that of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel. He is spoken of still further.


“Among those influenced by Hegel was a group of young radicals called the Young Hegelians, who were unpopular because of their radical views on religion and society. They included Ludwig Feuerbach (1804–1872), Bruno Bauer (1809–1882) and Max Stirner (1806–1856) among their ranks.
Karl Marx (1818–1883) often attended their meetings. He developed an interest in Hegelianism, French socialism and British economic theory. He transformed the three into an essential work of economics called Das Kapital, which consisted of a critical economic examination of capitalism. Marxism has had a massive effect on the world as a whole.”


I find it interesting that Karl Marx is listed among “German Idealist”. By the time of the late 1800's, the seed that had been planted back in the late 1700's by Semler in 1753–91 while teaching as a professor that the entirety of the Old and New Testaments were not divinely inspired and fully correct, and challenged the divine authority of the biblical canon, their nature, and their manner of transmission; had developed into textual criticism on one branch, and Marxism on another branch.


Jack
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
Good to see the percentage of Pro KJV as the Word of God in English has gone from 15 percent to over 20 percent in this poll. Maybe Christians are actually starting to wake up to the fact that the Word of God is under attack for the purpose of weakening the gospel and the church's effectiveness in these last days.

I wonder if anybody actually changed thier minds after reading some of the excellent posts here in defense of the inerrant translation of the Word of God in English as the King James Bible.....I've read some excellent posts from others who voted the same as me.

The church, the bride of Christ, is weakened in the world today through a few basic things..
1)bitterness
2) worldliness...creeping in to the churches with Chrisitians compromising holiness in favor of worldly entertainments and persuits
3) attacks on the Word of God as questionalbe by saying it was lost through carelessness and human error or purposely changed so we don't know what God has said and His Word must be explained in meaning only by "scholars" who dig and dig and study and study to get as close as they can to what God said with no way of proving what He said because they reject His Word as being without error and infallible and preserved.


Vote against the "scholars" who want to put themselves on pedastals over you. Vote Yes for King James Bible only as the Word of God in English today.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
I think one of the faults found in these threads, is the fact that most people who enter at a later point in the thread, fail to take the time to read the entire thread. This lack of reading causes them to draw conclusions that would not have been formed had they taken the time to read the entire thread.

Just for the record SaintJoeNow, Avid has been a KJV supporter in this tread.

Jack

ok, I see that now, sorry.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0

SaintJoeNow

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2015
1,255
345
USA
✟3,201.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
Have you read this thread? Did you even read my post???!!!

The following is from my post which is #45 in this thread:


You may have mistaken my intent, so please do some reading here!


sorry...for a while, I was the only one here supporting KJB only, was being character assasinated by serveral at the same time who were using bullying tactics rather than reasonalbe civil discourse. I was on the touchy side when I misread your intent. I sure was glad to see some others like myself in faith show up on the scene. Keep up the good work, excellent posts showing the histories of philosophies and how they are attached to believing or not believing God.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Avid
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.