KJV Only?

[kiwimac]

They all are. Any version translated by people who are in relationship with Christ is an OK one.

 

[SwordoftheLord]

They all are. Any version translated by people who are in relationship with Christ is an OK one.

But how do you define who is / and is not in that "relationship"? Surely by something? Not everyone who says they are a "christian" are truely children of God.
I mean the JWs and Mormons, and other cultish groups say they are in that same relationship. Yet surely the NWT and Book of Mormon cant be from God can they? (of course I dont believe they are).........

Do you base their relationship off of their Doctrines that they hold? How do we judge these Doctrines? Off which Bible version(s)?

Also not familiar with your faith icon... Care to elaborate on it?

 

[kiwimac]

It is not my job to define that, it is G-d's! My job is to love and care for others. Oh & btw the LDS (Mormons) use the KJV. As for the JWs NWT, there are any number of sites which can give you a run-down on problems with it. However we do not define someone's relationship with G-d via the version of the Bible they use.

As for my faith Icon, I am an Old Catholic Priest. The Old Catholic churches, not in communion with Rome, seceded from the Roman Catholic Church over the issue of Papal infallibility.

 

[SwordoftheLord]

It is not my job to define that, it is G-d's! My job is to love and care for others. Oh & btw the LDS (Mormons) use the KJV. As for the JWs NWT, there are any number of sites which can give you a run-down on problems with it. However we do not define someone's relationship with G-d via the version of the Bible they use.

As for my faith Icon, I am an Old Catholic Priest. The Old Catholic churches, not in communion with Rome, seceded from the Roman Catholic Church over the issue of Papal infallibility.

Ok the Old Catholic church.... thanks.. Where can I learn more...

 

[DeaconDean]

if we use that question then we must also use it to ask to show scriptural proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB, TNIV is the word of God... Or how about show scriptural proof that the Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts that we use to translate into the KJV,NIV, ESV etc... is the word of God?

Here again, what what was said?

KJV is of God

I just want proof that the "KJV is of God" and no others are.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Isn't me trusting in God enough for you?

That isn't what you said.

You said:

KJV is of God

You trusting in God does not answer the question.

How is it, the "KJV is of God" and no other version is? Where is the proof?

If the KJV is of God, how did Christians survive for nearly a millennia and a half without the KJV?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[kiwimac]

Ok the Old Catholic church.... thanks.. Where can I learn more...

Wikipedia can be your friend!

 

[SaintJoeNow]

The Word Of God is not open to varying translations. Either we do not have the Word of God or it is preserved as God said it would be. The only English translation that qualifies as the Word of God in consistency of all doctrines fundamental to the faith is the King James Bible.
If you say you can go back and determine for yourself what is closest to the originals, then you are saying the originals are lost, changed, gone and we do not have the Word of God and have no real standard for what the Word of God is.
If you say you have the Holy Ghost to guide you into getting close to the originals, is this a new thing for today when the Holy Ghost did not guide people like you to accurately copy and preserve His Word? You are better than the men God insipired to put His Word in writing, and you are more powerful in God for bringing His Word into your own language?
When translations differ, all of them including your personal critique of transltaion according to your intellect and education however great or small that may be are wrong and are not the Word of God or one of them is right and is the Word of God preserved as God promised He would preserve His Word perfectly. Of course, you may think your personal decision on what the Word of God actually says when translated into English IS God's inspiration and IS not only better than the translation of the King James Bible, but you may think you actually have translated the Wod of God yourself because the Holy Spirit guided you into all truth, regardless if your translation disagrees with others....yours personal preference of translation is the god, right?

If you say the people who made modern versions were godly men, good Christians, or led by the Holy Ghost or anything like that, you need to investigate the reality of who those people were. They were not godly men at all. One of the editors of the NIV was a knows lesbian, well known for this publicly with full awareness of the other editors. You can guess what changes she made sure went in to the NIV. You can google this one easily, discovering the truth about other people behind other versions may take a little more work but the results will be the same. You will find those people were far from what a real born-again blood bought God-fearing child of God knows to be godly in upholding sound doctrine in all fundamentals of the faith.

All modern versions, including your own personal translation made by yours truly who is yourself should be discarded if they do not agree with the King James Bible. There is no need to change the King James Bible. Because of copyright laws, all modern versions and any future versions must contain a certain large number of substantial changes to obtain copyright to secure profits for the editors. Because of this, all subsequent versions after the King James Bible read by scientific reading level standards at least one grade level higher than the King James Bible which reads at a fifth grade level. The idea that modern translations which are NOT the Word of God but are pawned off as the Word of God in an easier to understand modernized format is a bold-faced lie, and sadly as you can see by the poll at the head of this forum, most Christians today have fallen for it and every false religion including atheists cheers and agrees with those Christians because they give fuel to the fire of the enemy who confuses God's Word and casts doubt on it's veracity and authority by saying "Yea, hath God said.....?" Gen 3:1

 

[kiwimac]

The Word Of God is not open to varying translations. Either we do not have the Word of God or it is preserved as God said it would be. The only English translation that qualifies as the Word of God in consistency of all doctrines fundamental to the faith is the King James Bible.
If you say you can go back and determine for yourself what is closest to the originals, then you are saying the originals are lost, changed, gone and we do not have the Word of God and have no real standard for what the Word of God is.
If you say you have the Holy Ghost to guide you into getting close to the originals, is this a new thing for today when the Holy Ghost did not guide people like you to accurately copy and preserve His Word? You are better than the men God insipired to put His Word in writing, and you are more powerful in God for bringing His Word into your own language?
When translations differ, all of them including your personal critique of transltaion according to your intellect and education however great or small that may be are wrong and are not the Word of God or one of them is right and is the Word of God preserved as God promised He would preserve His Word perfectly. Of course, you may think your personal decision on what the Word of God actually says when translated into English IS God's inspiration and IS not only better than the translation of the King James Bible, but you may think you actually have translated the Wod of God yourself because the Holy Spirit guided you into all truth, regardless if your translation disagrees with others....yours personal preference of translation is the god, right?

If you say the people who made modern versions were godly men, good Christians, or led by the Holy Ghost or anything like that, you need to investigate the reality of who those people were. They were not godly men at all. One of the editors of the NIV was a knows lesbian, well known for this publicly with full awareness of the other editors. You can guess what changes she made sure went in to the NIV. You can google this one easily, discovering the truth about other people behind other versions may take a little more work but the results will be the same. You will find those people were far from what a real born-again blood bought God-fearing child of God knows to be godly in upholding sound doctrine in all fundamentals of the faith.

All modern versions, including your own personal translation made by yours truly who is yourself should be discarded if they do not agree with the King James Bible. There is no need to change the King James Bible. Because of copyright laws, all modern versions and any future versions must contain a certain large number of substantial changes to obtain copyright to secure profits for the editors. Because of this, all subsequent versions after the King James Bible read by scientific reading level standards at least one grade level higher than the King James Bible which reads at a fifth grade level. The idea that modern translations which are NOT the Word of God but are pawned off as the Word of God in an easier to understand modernized format is a bold-faced lie, and sadly as you can see by the poll at the head of this forum, most Christians today have fallen for it and every false religion including atheists cheers and agrees with those Christians because they give fuel to the fire of the enemy who confuses God's Word and casts doubt on it's veracity and authority by saying "Yea, hath God said.....?" Gen 3:1

Heiferdust!

 

[SaintJoeNow]

I cannot post links yet as I have not achieved 50 posts yet, but the links referred to below are not hard to find if you do a simple websearch like "why the King James Bible is the Word of God". I will post the three links in the future. What I'm trying to say in defense of the Word of God without error in English is controversial, and some of my statements are direct challenges to the pride which elevates itself as determining God's Word according to personal preference with one's own intellect as the guide so the Holy Spirit's leading into knowing what God said is subjective to personal intellect.
Anybody who fears God knows that concept is backwards, but somehow when it comes to accepting God's Word VS accepting ones personal preference of translation, most Christians today put their own intellect up as the guide for determining what God says in His Word rather than letting His Word say what it says and bringing their intellect into subjection to it.
If you have decided that human error and carelessness caused the Word of God to be lost after it was given to the original authors, then you will not accept any proof that we have the Word of God in English without error today. There is plenty of proof available, and if you think it is possible that God gave you His Word in your language so that you can actually know exactly what He said as if he actually wanted you to know exactly what He said (and how in the world can a real child of God think God would allow His Word to be subjective to personal preference of interpretation?) then you need to start investigating and the three links offered here are a great beginners course in the doctrine of preservation of scripture and the history of the King James Bible and the history of All modern translations. If you come up with anything different than what the King James Bible says, then you are making a modern translation with a differing version of the Word of God. Either they are all wrong or one of them is right, and whose is right? yours? Who are you to say you have the Word of God when it is subjective and open to interpretation?
You need to think maybe God really did say exactly what He said and made sure you can know it today in your own language without error. Was it harder for God to preserve His Word and give it to you in His own language than it was for Him to to form man out of dust and breathe into his nostrils the breath of life?
Why should it be hard to believe that God has preserved His Word and it has been translated accurately and without error under His direction? Only one translation is correct or NONE of them are.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Brilliant!!

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Heiferdust!

BRILIANT!!!! So well spoken, so eloquent your argument, so honorable your manners, so colorful your speech!

 

[kiwimac]

More KJV Only heiferdust. Moreover Heiferdust which has been dealt with time and time again.

 

[kiwimac]

BRILIANT!!!! So well spoken, so eloquent your argument, so honorable your manners, so colorful your speech!

Then do your research. The 'points' you raise have been raised hundreds of times on this site and have each time been summarily dealt with. We keep old posts so that people can do this kind of search. Put 'King James' in the search box and see what comes up. If you are not able to search, being under 10 posts or so, let me know and I'll do the search and post the links for you.

 

[AsperNinja]

I have heard different things about the accuracy of the KJV. I started off with the NASB and I've heard that it's a great Bible. I think it's fine if someone is KJV only. I've just noticed some legalism in this issue. Some make the great claim that true or mature Christians will read the KJV only. They claim that the King James is somehow more inspired than the other versions. I've since started to ignore such things.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

The Word Of God is not open to varying translations. Either we do not have the Word of God or it is preserved as God said it would be.

The lie upon which the gibberish about the King James translation of the Bible is based is that God promised to preserve His word. He never made such a promise, and if He had, the mess that is today known as the KJV could not possibly be the fulfillment of such a promise.

The only English translation that qualifies as the Word of God in consistency of all doctrines fundamental to the faith is the King James Bible.

This statement is incontrovertibly false and has absolutely no basis of fact.

If you say you can go back and determine for yourself what is closest to the originals, then you are saying the originals are lost, changed, gone and we do not have the Word of God and have no real standard for what the Word of God is.

God gave us His word in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek manuscripts that were copied and later lost. Copies were made of the copies, and those copies were also lost. Translations were made from copies of copies and these manuscripts were copied and subsequently lost. Copies were made of the copies, and those copies were also lost. Today, we have evidence from thousands of extant manuscripts in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, and other ancient manuscripts from which scholars of these languages and the science of textual criticism have edited texts of the Old and New Testaments which have been translated into English and hundreds of other languages. These edited texts are the best standard that we have today—and they are far superior to the King James translation of the Bible.

If you say you have the Holy Ghost to guide you into getting close to the originals, is this a new thing for today when the Holy Ghost did not guide people like you to accurately copy and preserve His Word? You are better than the men God insipired to put His Word in writing, and you are more powerful in God for bringing His Word into your own language?

I have in my personal library vastly better resources for translating the Bible than the resources available to the translators of King James translation of the Bible. Therefore, even without the help of the Holy Spirit, I could do a far more accurate job that they did. Moreover, the Holy Spirit is just as able today as he was in the early 1600’s.

When translations differ, all of them including your personal critique of transltaion according to your intellect and education however great or small that may be are wrong and are not the Word of God or one of them is right and is the Word of God preserved as God promised He would preserve His Word perfectly.

English translations of the word of God, because they are mere translations, are only approximations to the word of God—but hugely more accurate approximations to the word of God than is found in the King James Translation of the badly corrupted Hebrew and Greek texts of the word of God.

Of course, you may think your personal decision on what the Word of God actually says when translated into English IS God's inspiration and IS not only better than the translation of the King James Bible, but you may think you actually have translated the Wod of God yourself because the Holy Spirit guided you into all truth, regardless if your translation disagrees with others....yours personal preference of translation is the god, right?

No!

If you say the people who made modern versions were godly men, good Christians, or led by the Holy Ghost or anything like that, you need to investigate the reality of who those people were. They were not godly men at all. One of the editors of the NIV was a knows lesbian, well known for this publicly with full awareness of the other editors. You can guess what changes she made sure went in to the NIV. You can google this one easily, discovering the truth about other people behind other versions may take a little more work but the results will be the same. You will find those people were far from what a real born-again blood bought God-fearing child of God knows to be godly in upholding sound doctrine in all fundamentals of the faith.

The character of the translators of the word of God is irrelevant to the quality of their work.

All modern versions, including your own personal translation made by yours truly who is yourself should be discarded if they do not agree with the King James Bible.

Most fortunately, we have today several English translations of the Bible that are far superior to the King James Translation of the Bible, and are, therefore, distinctly different from it in over 12,000 places!

There is no need to change the King James Bible.

That is true! It is so severely corrupted that it belongs on a shelf with other antiquarian books where it will not contribute to the corrupting of contemporary translations of the Bible.

Because of copyright laws, all modern versions and any future versions must contain a certain large number of substantial changes to obtain copyright to secure profits for the editors.

The King James translation of the Bible is so exceedingly poor that in order to revise it in the latter part of the 19th century, many thousands of changes were necessary. The American edition of the British Revised Version included in the text the thousands of preferences of the American translation committee that had been in the appendix. By the time the RSV was ready for the press, there were thousands of changes to the ASV due to a much more accurate understanding of the ancient Hebrew and Greek languages, and thousands of more changes to the ASV due to changes in the English language. Copyright laws had absolutely nothing to do with any of these or subsequent translations.

Because of this, all subsequent versions after the King James Bible read by scientific reading level standards at least one grade level higher than the King James Bible which reads at a fifth grade level.

This is a lie! The KJV is translated at the 14th grade level—a higher level by three years than any other popular English translation of the Bible. The NIV is translated at the 7th grade reading level making it nearly useless for Bible study. The NCV is translated at between the 2nd and 3rd grade reading levels and is therefore not suitable for readers who read at above those grade levels.

The idea that modern translations which are NOT the Word of God but are pawned off as the Word of God in an easier to understand modernized format is a bold-faced lie, and sadly as you can see by the poll at the head of this forum, most Christians today have fallen for it and every false religion including atheists cheers and agrees with those Christians because they give fuel to the fire of the enemy who confuses God's Word and casts doubt on it's veracity and authority by saying "Yea, hath God said.....?" Gen 3:1

If God is so incompetent that He is unable to give us His word far more accurately than in the King James Translation of the Bible, He is a very poor excuse for a god.

 

[James Is Back]

Princeton what resources are you talking about that you have that can translate the Bible?

 

[SaintJoeNow]

So you are firmly convinced that we do not and never can know exactly what God said to mankind. That's ok. Just don't tell me the Holy Spirit told you what God's Word is when you have dogmatically declared it is lost and gone forever.

The Bible says repeatedly that God's Word does not change and has been preserved without error exactly as He gave it. God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in exact language. The devil twisted it and cast doubt on it, confusing it and deceiving Eve into thinking God had said things He didn't say and thinking God had not given her the whold truth of the matter through His spoken Word to Adam...verbatim, word for word and letter by letter (or course Adam was not writing it down then, but he sure knew exactly what God had said and God made sure Moses told the story without error..Jesus referred to the writings of Moses as unquestionable authority).

If you want to be like the devil saying "Yea, hath God said...."? Go ahead. Don't bother trying to tell me what God's Word is if it dffers from the King James Bible. I won't buy it. You can have it.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

NASB vs KJB

Matthew 20:20 KJV "Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him." NASB "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down, and making a request of Him." The NASB changes 'worshipped him' to 'bowed down before him.'

There are dozens if not hundreds of these horrific changes and deletions in the NASB. The NASB is garbage.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Philippians 3:16 KJV "Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing." NASB "however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained." NASB leaves out the last two phrases. They are an important part of the teaching of this portion of scripture.