Kamala's VP pick regarding socilaism and the push back

[dogs4thewin]

Republicans have been trying to call liberal policies "socialist" at least since WWII. It is a meaningless charge except to their base.

There will indeed be a huge choice with regard to liberal policies in the tradition of Roosevelt, Humphrey, Johnson, Clinton and Obama.

One problem is that fighting against Romneycare/Obmacare, and fighting against the large number of liberal policies is a losing battle for Republicans.

Maybe because people feel that the government should provide for them which is nuts;, foolish amd a very bad idea. A government can take away what it provides.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe because people feel that the government should provide for them which is nuts;, foolish amd a very bad idea.

Aren't you on some kind of public assistance?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Republicans have been trying to call liberal policies "socialist" at least since WWII. It is a meaningless charge except to their base.

Not when it is the Democratic candidates that self identify as socialist. That fact makes the rest of your post moot. It's not a charge from those horrible Republicans - it is what is coming out of their own mouths.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not when it is the Democratic candidates that self identify as socialist.

Any of the candidates identified in this thread?

 

[BPPLEE]

Not when it is the Democratic candidates that self identify as socialist. That fact makes the rest of your post moot. It's not a charge from those horrible Republicans - it is what is coming out of their own mouths.

He has spent a lot of time in China. Even went there for his honeymoon

 

[BPPLEE]

Not when it is the Democratic candidates that self identify as socialist. That fact makes the rest of your post moot. It's not a charge from those horrible Republicans - it is what is coming out of their own mouths.

What about Bernie ?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Aren't you on some kind of public assistance?

On SSDI on my father's record who until such time as he literally no longer could suppored his OWN family( even refusing to take a pay cut to qualify for government assistance when they found out I was disabled.

There is a time and a place for assistance HOWEVER itsould be very limited and in most cases limited in scope as well.


For eample, food stamps should only be allowed to be used to purchase certain foods.

I also see a difference in for example regular social security and SSDI as opposed to SSI and TANF. The first two were earned the second two are means tested a form of welfare. That is why if someone is on SSDI and has other income that is not from working that is fine. For example, I have an an aunt and two uncles on SSDI under their own record they paid into the system any of them could have one million dollars in the bank and still get the payments why because they earned it . If however, you are on SSI ( which is what I was on until my father was found disabled by the way you are VERY limited in what you are allowed because it is welfare and under the idea that beggars cannot be choosers.

If you are going to be on needs based government assistance then do not expect to have what people who are not have.

The same applies to private assistance though if you come to me asking for money for x y z NEED I have the right to expect and yes even demand prove that the money is going to X Y Z NEED.

That is why often whenchurches pay for people's bills say power bill or whatever tey make the check out to the company and not the person to do have what they want

 

[Niels]

What MAGA world has not yet realized, the majority American people support policies which they label as Socialist. IMO, Gov Waltz will effectively drive that message home.

Example:
"I represented a rural district. Donald Trump won it by 15 points in 2016 when I won. Those are folks that want a fair shot. We need to point out the reason rural America hurts is because robber barons like these guys have come in. These are the guys that take money out of our public schools for private schools to give vouchers to people already going to private schools. They undermine the basic social safety net that makes this country great."

Public schools.
Public health care.
Family leave.
Tuition assistance for Public community colleges and universities
Work place safe guards
etc

These are the policies that make a difference for working families.

If MAGA want's to label it socialism - so be it. It's a losing message.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/06/gov_tim_walz_on_white_dudes_for_kamala_harris_call_one_persons_socialism_is_another_persons_neighborliness.html

Interestingly, countries that provide such things tend to either have strongly capitalist economies or rely on selling goods to countries that have strongly capitalist economies. Universal healthcare and public school don't make a country socialist. Rather, they make for educated and healthy citizens.

 

[mark46]

What about Bernie ?

Bernie Sanders self-identifies as a Democratic-Socialist, the political system of most of Europe. Sometimes, folks who dislike the very successful European system call the countries "welfare states", which simply means that the government has undertaken to provide certain goods and services to all.

There have been movements in the US to reject all of this and to abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government guaranteed civil rights, workplace protection. To be blunt, some folks want one of the worst systems: unregulated capitalism with no safety net for the poor other than handouts from charities.

 

[BCP1928]

Interestingly, countries that provide such things tend to either have strongly capitalist economies or rely on selling goods to countries that have strongly capitalist economies. Universal healthcare and public school don't make a country socialist. Rather, they make for educated and healthy citizens.

And more productive workers.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Tampon Tim mandated that tampons be put in the boy's bathrooms in schools

I heard a rumor that:

 

[BPPLEE]

I heard a rumor that:

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Tampon Tim has a striking resemblance to Elmer Fudd

 

[essentialsaltes]

Tampon Tim has a striking resemblance to Elmer Fudd

They both hunt.

But by all means, I think the Trump campaign and his followers should deride the looks of pudgy white 50+ middle American men.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Just on the point of socialism (or fascism communism consumerism whatever)

 

[rjs330]

Arizona voters rejected vouchers via a refereendum in 2017. Subsequently, the AZ Republican controlled legislature ignored the voters and implemented it anyway in 2022.
Last year, the program cost the taxpayers an "additional $295 million to finance the universal voucher program and subsidize tuition for students who were already enrolled in private schools".

How Much Are Universal School Vouchers Costing Arizona?

If your state had an extra $300 million to spend on education, what would you do with it?

www.forbes.com

Well 2017 was 5 years before and we don't know the reasons why it failed. The people later voted for their representatives who chose to implement one 5 years after. Like I said. A republic in action.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I heard a rumor that:

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If we can maintain this pace of memes until November, I’m going to enjoy this.

 

[BCP1928]

Bernie Sanders self-identifies as a Democratic-Socialist, the political system of most of Europe. Sometimes, folks who dislike the very successful European system call the countries "welfare states", which simply means that the government has undertaken to provide certain goods and services to all.

There have been movements in the US to reject all of this and to abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government guaranteed civil rights, workplace protection. To be blunt, some folks want one of the worst systems: unregulated capitalism with no safety net for the poor other than
handouts from charities.

Unregulated corporate capitalism

 

[essentialsaltes]

Two days after Mr. Floyd’s death, with protests in Minneapolis turning increasingly violent, the city’s mayor, Jacob Frey, asked Mr. Walz to deploy the National Guard. Hours later, the city’s police chief submitted a written request for 600 troops. But it was not until the next afternoon that Mr. Walz signed an executive order allowing the Guard to assist cities.

Despite new criticism, Trump told Walz in 2020 he was 'very happy' with his handling of George Floyd protests ​

But at the time, Trump expressed support for Walz's handling of the protests, according to a recording of a phone call obtained by ABC News -- telling a group of governors that Walz "dominated," and praising his leadership as an example for other states to follow.

"I know Gov. Walz is on the phone, and we spoke, and I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days," Trump told a group of governors on June 1, 2020, according to a recording of the call, in which he also called Walz an "excellent guy."

"I was very happy with the last couple of days, Tim," Trump continued. "You called up big numbers and the big numbers knocked them out so fast it was like bowling pins."

Trump's contemporaneous approval of Walz's decision-making in the wake of George Floyd's murder undermines one of Republicans' most vocal lines of attack against the vice presidential nominee.

 

[Always in His Presence]

"I know Gov. Walz is on the phone, and we spoke, and I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days," Trump told a group of governors on June 1, 2020, according to a recording of the call, in which he also called Walz an "excellent guy."

"I was very happy with the last couple of days, Tim," Trump continued. "You called up big numbers and the big numbers knocked them out so fast it was like bowling pins."

That is right - President Trump complimented the man once he got off his best intentions and responded to the Mayor's please for help -

 

[rjs330]

Despite new criticism, Trump told Walz in 2020 he was 'very happy' with his handling of George Floyd protests​

But at the time, Trump expressed support for Walz's handling of the protests, according to a recording of a phone call obtained by ABC News -- telling a group of governors that Walz "dominated," and praising his leadership as an example for other states to follow.

"I know Gov. Walz is on the phone, and we spoke, and I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days," Trump told a group of governors on June 1, 2020, according to a recording of the call, in which he also called Walz an "excellent guy."

"I was very happy with the last couple of days, Tim," Trump continued. "You called up big numbers and the big numbers knocked them out so fast it was like bowling pins."

Trump's contemporaneous approval of Walz's decision-making in the wake of George Floyd's murder undermines one of Republicans' most vocal lines of attack against the vice presidential nominee.

I think this is pretty telling honestly. Walz did a horrible job in dealing with the riots. He let rhe riots go unchecked for far too long. Then when he finally did something Trump actually called him and praised him for it. Says more about Trump than it does about Walz.

Man I wish folks would be willing to tell the whole story and not leave out half of it.