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Kamala's VP pick regarding socilaism and the push back

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How so? You can still choose to school your kids in things you want.
Do you even believe we should have the right to vote on Schools? I have to ask considering your remarks. If we the people are given a vote on what academic curricula we want for our kids in schools, and Parents choose to leave out "social" instruction be left out, just academic basics, do you believe we should be able to vote? Because it sounds like you may not think so.

It is not ridiculous. Should we be able to vote on these things? This is just one example of things we choose concerning what kind of lives we live.
Since curriculum is ultimately the responsibility of locally elected school boards, I think you already have at least some control. As to the "social" stuff that you object to, you need to inform yourself as to how that "social" stuff is actually being taught, which few conservatives seem willing to do.
 
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The military is nothing like the Christian lifestyle in Acts or other Pauline letters.
Yes, there are a lot of similarities. That's why the Roman centurion could describe the military chain of command and "amaze" Jesus by his faith. It's why the Roman Marian Reforms provided a "standard issue" equipment system that Paul could refer to as an example of God's certain provision for the Christian mission.

Every soldier in combat does the best he can do, some doing much, some doing little, but all doing their best in the position they've given...yet receiving no more than they need.

That's why my signature says what it says.
 
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Why not go after corporate socialism first...before Social Security, at least.
I certainly would support that.
One thing should be stated up front is that government provided services are not for profit. It would be great if they broke even, but providing such service is not always going to break even, nor should breaking even be considered anything more than "nice to have." It should be understood as an expense from the start.
On that we disagree. I don't think it should be profit making necessarily, but breaking even should be the goal. Spending more than you take in is not a good plan. It's being totally irresponsible with taxpayers money
Well, I have lived with military and government healthcare all my childhood life, my adult life, and will until I die. It's been a good ride so far.
Yes some people do very well with others telling them where they have to live, what they have to eat, when they can shower, what they have to wear, when they have to go to bed and when they can get up, who they have to fight and when. All for that free healthcare.
You know that why they offer that right? It's an incentive in order to get you to sign up. But most people don't want that socialist restrictions. That's why so many don't stay in and why they are having troubles with recruitment.

A socialism dream. God bless you for serving, I'm not at all criticizing you or your service. We need the military.

What I am doing is showing that a heavy cost comes with it, and it's a perfect example of what socialism brings. Which is a lack of freedom. The military has to operate that way. The rest of society would really fight against those kinds of restrictions.
 
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That's why the Roman centurion could describe the military chain of command and "amaze" Jesus by his faith.
Yes Christ was amazed by his faith, not by his socialist work.
It's why the Roman Marian Reforms provided a "standard issue" equipment system that Paul could refer to as an example of God's certain provision for the Christian mission.
A spiritual mission to fight a spiritual battle and conduct spiritual warefare. . He wasn't describing how we have to live in a socialist military environment.

The Nazis and Communists were socialists. So was Venezuala. And the Christan life is nothing like them or the military. We are to be a generous people, but no one is ever forced to do so. No believer is punished for failing to give and no goes to his door to take from him because someone in the church doesn't think they are giving enough.
 
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That characterisation of what I said is disingenuous. None of what I said relates even tangentially to your reply.
Oh but it is. You decide what our children need to be taught PERIOD, whether parents agree with it or not. Schools are going beyond academics, into social teachings and you know it.
 
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Since curriculum is ultimately the responsibility of locally elected school boards, I think you already have at least some control. As to the "social" stuff that you object to, you need to inform yourself as to how that "social" stuff is actually being taught, which few conservatives seem willing to do.
We have already seen it. And the fascist attitude towards parents when it comes to our kids. Schools should have no control over that.
 
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Oh but it is. You decide what our children need to be taught PERIOD, whether parents agree with it or not. Schools are going beyond academics, into social teachings and you know it.
They always have. The work of socializing our children is born mostly by the schools, since the kids spend a big chunk of their time there. They may not be doing a terrific job, but it is their responsibility to bear a hand.
 
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And the post office would have shut down a long time ago because it can't even cover the costs of their own service. They operate in the red every year.
In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation. If the costs of this retiree health care mandate were removed from the USPS financial statements, the Post Office would have reported operating profits in each of the last six years. This extraordinary mandate created a financial “crisis” that has been used to justify harmful service cuts and even calls for postal privatization. Additional cuts in service and privatization would be devastating for millions of postal workers and customers. Again, greedy capitalists want to sabotage the Post Office to privatize the USPS for profits. Creating billions of dollars for the retirement of people not yet born, unreal. It's a postal service, not a postal business. Corporate media has failed to be the press that informs its citizens, many are unaware of this law.
 
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So our children belong to the government? We the people are simply breeders of the workforce?
Nup. I've tried. But I can't see how you got from the rather obvious point that most people haven't got the background or the ability to personally decide what's required to give their children a well rounded education to 'So we just breed workers'.
 
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We have already seen it. And the fascist attitude towards parents when it comes to our kids. Schools should have no control over that.
Better education would fix this misunderstanding.
 
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In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation. If the costs of this retiree health care mandate were removed from the USPS financial statements, the Post Office would have reported operating profits in each of the last six years. This extraordinary mandate created a financial “crisis” that has been used to justify harmful service cuts and even calls for postal privatization. Additional cuts in service and privatization would be devastating for millions of postal workers and customers. Again, greedy capitalists want to sabotage the Post Office to privatize the USPS for profits. Creating billions of dollars for the retirement of people not yet born, unreal. It's a postal service, not a postal business. Corporate media has failed to be the press that informs its citizens, many are unaware of this law.
Here's a good article on the subject. It's not quire the way you framed it. It does outline what's going on. It sounds lime they haven't been paying into the fund anyway.

 
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Oh but it is. You decide what our children need to be taught PERIOD, whether parents agree with it or not. Schools are going beyond academics, into social teachings and you know it.
Parents are free to take kids out of any lesson that for example teaches socially, psychology, biology, physics, history and ethics if they like.

That has always been the case. But they don it get to mandate that their religion be taught. That would be for church, temple or mosques.
 
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Parents are free to take kids out of any lesson that for example teaches socially, psychology, biology, physics, history and ethics if they like.

That has always been the case. But they don it get to mandate that their religion be taught. That would be for church, temple or mosques.
It would certainly be more accurately taught in church, temple, or mosques.
 
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It would certainly be more accurately taught in church, temple, or mosques.
Then we agree that only non religious inculcation should be taking place in schools? Would you also agree that children need to be taught how to thrive in the world they are entering?
 
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They always have.
They may have enforced socialization within the community. That is different than what you say below.
The work of socializing our children is born mostly by the schools, since the kids spend a big chunk of their time there.
It is not their work to "socialize" our children. Socialization has already begun by the community they were born. Which begins with the parents at home.
They may not be doing a terrific job, but it is their responsibility to bear a hand.
No it is not their responsibility. Their responsibility is academic instruction. Not to resocialize them according to their own desires.
 
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Parents are free to take kids out of any lesson that for example teaches socially, psychology, biology, physics, history and ethics if they like.
Parents should be free to send their children to schools which co not "resocializes" them in the first place.
That has always been the case. But they don it get to mandate that their religion be taught. That would be for church, temple or mosques.
Leave religion out of it. And leave the rest out until they have mastered reading, writing ,math, english etc.
 
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They may have enforced socialization within the community. That is different than what you say below.

It is not their work to "socialize" our children. Socialization has already begun by the community they were born. Which begins with the parents at home.

No it is not their responsibility. Their responsibility is academic instruction. Not to resocialize them according to their own desires.
Children in schools are not being re-socialized. It is in addition to what happens at home or elsewhere. A child’s social interactions at a public school will more accurately represent the community they live in and often become adults in. A private education can be used to try to steer a child’s social maturation in a specific direction if that is what a parent wants.
 
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Children in schools are not being re-socialized. It is in addition to what happens at home or elsewhere.
It is resocialization. Parents did not knoiw what their kids were being taught until Covid. An example is Tampons in boys bathrooms. Do you think mose parents give their boys Tampons?
A child’s social interactions at a public school will more accurately represent the community they live in and often become adults in.
Yes, because all their peers are being "resocialized" together. It is why parents want school choice.
A private education can be used to try to steer a child’s social maturation in a specific direction if that is what a parent wants.

That is what Schools are doing, specific directions they did not get at home. Just focus on academics.
 
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Parents should be free to send their children to schools which co not "resocializes" them in the first place.

Leave religion out of it. And leave the rest out until they have mastered reading, writing ,math, english etc.
What's your plan, then? Shelter them from the history and values of the larger society until they are, what? Out of college? And then just dump them into it?
 
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What's your plan, then? Shelter them from the values of the larger society until they are, what?
What larger society? They come from communities they grow up in all their lives. Who is this larger society? Evidently you seem to be saying you need to bring this "society" to them in schools which is absent from the society they grow and live.
Out of college? And then just dump them into it?
Into what? We need them to be educated in academics. A firm foundation to work and live...
 
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