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K. Hagin & God allowing or causing sickness

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by LinkH, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Seeking Him

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    The health and wealth gospel is scorned in most biblically sound, theological circles, and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.
     
  2. probinson

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    Hee hee. Giggling at people is such a sign of maturity. :D

    It has all the maturity of High School cliques...

    :cool:
     
  3. Seeking Him

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    One would tend to react to a juvenile doctrine by giggling. If it were an adult doctrine, then there would be no giggling, mull that over, and be blessed, tee hee. SH.
     
  4. probinson

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    So you're saying you're being juvenile when you giggle at doctrines that you don't understand?

    Well Ok. If you say so.

    Be blessed.

    :cool:
     
  5. dkbwarrior

    dkbwarrior Favoured of the Lord

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    The fact that you chose to insult a man of God with a sixty year track record of ministry with no scandal, rather than answer the theological question put to you, speaks volumes; which by the way, betrays the utter and complete bankruptcy of your statement.

    Peace...
     
  6. Biblicist

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    I guess that some of the responses to your statement may have a point but as you were writing from a female perspective then maybe we can be somewhat forgiving of your choice of wording.

    What one could justifiably say is that the health and wealth 'gospel' is certainly held in general contempt by the academic community which includes both Full Gospel and academics who are deemed to be open-but-cautious.

    There are of course many so-called academics who would also loudly proclaim that we should never call Jesus the Son of God or that the Spirit of God works in the way that he does; but when it comes to the health and wealth 'gospel' you would be hard pressed to find any Full Gospel academic who would give his support to this worldview - at least I hope that this would be the case!

    But of course this point probably doesn't really address the topic at hand.
     
  7. Seeking Him

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    Thank you all for your replies. The best thing I can say is this. I guess the poverty strickened Macedonian churches, along with the poor Jerusalem church, never quite grasped the prosperity doctrine. I guess, as Hagin teaches, they didn't know "they can have whatever they say".

    Oh, and we need to rip out all the "negative confessions" out of the Psalms, as David confessed his aflictions, and poured out his complaint, while not pretending those things that were there, were not real.

    Hopefully we now see why it is a juvenile doctrine, if we just read this post, in an open minded, non defensive posture. SH.
     
  8. Seeking Him

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    Gee, aren't we blessed, no scandal, my oh my, thank God! Total joy.
     
  9. probinson

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    Or....

    We can now see your vividly illustrated just how big your misunderstanding of the doctrine really is. ;)

    :cool:
     
  10. Seeking Him

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    What's so hard to understand? The poverty strickened Macedonians did not know "they can have whatever they say", and David was wrong, to make a negative confession, he should have just "spoken to it". In Psalm 55, he even wished he could flee it, the trouble, but could not. What an awful confession, as he confessed that he was in a prison in 142. Silly David blew it! SH.
     
  11. probinson

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    Every post you make illustrates even further just how little you truly understand about the doctrine. Of course, I think you'd rather hold on to your preconceived ideas rather than listen to what the doctrine actually teaches, so have at it. ;)

    :cool:
     
  12. ARBITER01

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    This battle tends to go back and forth at times on here.

    Maybe people should spend some time digging up the Christian history on a person named Stephen Jeffreys. He had an amazing healing ministry from GOD years back, and his specialty seemed to be the really rough cases of arthritis. He would jump off the stage completely assured GOD would heal through him in such cases.

    His fame grew, along with all the gifts and money from people, as well as the special invitations to very pompous events. Eventually this all went to his head and he declared from a stage that "the world is at my feet."

    Very shortly after that he contacted a rough case of rheumatoid arthritis, and remained in this condition until his death. He was unable to stand up or do anything with his body contorted.

    Judgement from GOD is not a good thing to come under at all, it has everlasting effects. No one who prayed for him, no matter how great in the Christian circles they were, did any good.

    Anyone desiring to operate in the greater giftings with GOD needs to keep this example firmly planted in their mind, because this can happen to you also if any of us makes mistakes like this.

    GOD and His character is not to be trifled with, the world is at the feet of Jesus, not ours.

    This story is absolutely true, and documented in our Christian history.
     
  13. Gxg (G²)

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    Good points...
     
  14. dkbwarrior

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    Regardless, keep in mind that it is the so called "Health and Wealth Gospel" that is evangelizing the world. Christianity is the fastest growing of the world religions, and the WOF brand of Christianity is the fastest growing of the Christian groups. This makes WOF arguably the fastest growing of all major religious movements in the world. WOF IS Christianity in much of the third world today. As I have stated before, only here in the West where we allready have all of our needs met, do people scoff at the promises of God. The rest of the world is not in our position, and needs to believe the promises of God simply to survive.

    Peace...
     
  15. FoundInGrace

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    these are valid points
     
  16. FoundInGrace

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    growth doesnt mean something is right
    although i agree with you that the third world believers feel sorry for the believers in the west because we are blinded by our wealth from seeing our spiritual need
     
  17. ARBITER01

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    I know this sounds so good to you when you claim it, but wof is nothing more than a teaching, not a denomination, and the fastest growing sector of Christianity is Pentecostalism, bar none.
     
  18. Seeking Him

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    Why is it that the leaders of a certain faith movement, present this magical "you can have whatever you say" kind of thing, in a hyperspiritual mode, but suddenly, go into the natural, and demand tithe, and "faith seeds" to their ministry, all while tithing is old cov, and the faith seeds of 2 Corinthians 8-9, were not for Paul's ministry, 2 Cor 8:4, 9:1, 9;12, for the poor saints of Jerusalem, the poor people?

    Seems like their faith has limits.:D

    "Have what you say", but contort the rest of the Bible, to bring in funds for yourself, manipulating the text, to make sure "seeds" flow their own way. When it comes to the money, they can't just seem to confess their money, they go to the poor people in their churches, while living high themselves, all while Paul, for the most part, worked, not to burden the church.

    Seems like these fellows have some explaining to do. Yes?

    Let me know if you want text to prove Paul's thelogy on money. I have a bunch of verses I can't wait to paste! SH.:)
     
  19. Seeking Him

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    Thank you.:)
     
  20. dkbwarrior

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    You would have to ask them my friend. I personally don't listen to anyone that demands "tithes and "faith seeds" to their ministry", as you put it.

    Now it is true, that some have latched onto the faith movement with the intent to make merchandise of people. No doubt about that. This however, is not limited to WOF.

    Why is it that WOF critics are so quick to throw reasonable discussion/debate of the Word out the window, and resort to name calling, and demeaning of others?

    Peace...
     
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