Just when you think the media cannot sink any lower

[ozso]

Personally, I think Trump is closer to Mussolini.

Saying Mussolini doesn't carry the same level of melodramatic fear mongering as saying Hitler and Nazis.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I thought the watermelon joke could’ve been funny on Kill Tony, but probably not a good idea in a room of people who’ve lamented the unfairness of their not being allowed to use the N word in public when black people can.

The line after that (that gets cut from the commonly shared clip)

After he tells Puerto Rico joke, there's a lot of groans coming from the audience (which would suggest to me that the particular style of "roast comedy" probably wasn't a hit in that venue)

To which he follows up with "Okay, okay folks...well, I typically don't follow the national anthem so cut me some slack" (and then it gets a few chuckles)


Although, ironically enough, and I just saw some news about it this morning... It would appear that a Harris event did opt for a comedian that told some "ethnic humor"

Comedian George Lopez told this joke:
"Donald Trump said he was going to build a wall... you better build it in one day because if you leave that material out there overnight...." (the implication being that the Mexicans would steal the building materials - to which the audience laughed)


Some on the internet have defended Lopez (and the difference in reactions) on the grounds that "well, the Lopez Mexican joke was okay because he, himself, is Mexican", but I'm not sure I buy that excuse.

Had the Trump campaign invited Terrence Williams up there to tell Black jokes, I'm almost 100% certain the reaction would've been the same

 

[Nithavela]

Saying Mussolini doesn't carry the same level of melodramatic fear mongering as saying Hitler and Nazis.

Of course. Mussolini is remembered as a bit of a buffoon. He doesn't have the same "ultimate evil" energy as Hitler.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What's a "legal immigrant"? For most of my ancestors all there is to record their entry is an entry on a passenger manifest at their port of arrival. An entry that was recorded for everyone who entered, whether they were staying or not. (including the crew)

It'd be anyone who enters within the guidelines of current legal framework that's in place at the time of entry.

Per National Geographic, with regards to the arrivals at Ellis Island (if that's what you're referring to)
Immigrants coming to Ellis Island were generally legal, as there were no visas, passports, or other documentation required for entry at that time

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes, but since they're calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazis, other versions of fascist don't apply.

The only person I know of that called him Hitler was his own running mate, JD Vance. The people calling him a fascist are people who worked directly with him and are genuinely concerned about another Trump presidency, like Gens John Kelly and Milley. Stupid jokes at a rally aside, it’s Trump’s own words and actions that have him being labeled a fascist.

 

[ozso]

Of course. Mussolini is remembered as a bit of a buffoon. He doesn't have the same "ultimate evil" energy as Hitler.

The thing with Trump is, we already know he's not like either based on his last presidency. The "this time it will be dramatically different", argument from folks really isn't very persuasive.

 

[ozso]

What's a "legal immigrant"? For most of my ancestors all there is to record their entry is an entry on a passenger manifest at their port of arrival. An entry that was recorded for everyone who entered, whether they were staying or not. (including the crew)

"Illegal immigrant" is a euphemism for Illegal alien.

 

[ozso]

The only person I know of that called him Hitler was his own running mate, JD Vance. The people calling him a fascist are people who worked directly with him and are genuinely concerned about another Trump presidency, like Gens John Kelly and Milley. Stupid jokes at a rally aside, it’s Trump’s own words and actions that have him being labeled a fascist.

I'm sure JD Vance would say something like that's when he was suffering from trump derangement syndrome. Kelly and Milley seem to be carrying a grudge and have an axe to grind. Those who worked for Trump not making any such claims, far out number the few who are.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I'm sure JD Vance would say that's when he was suffering from trump derangement syndrome.

I’m sure he would come up with a lame excuse like that. That’s why he’s there now and not Mike Pence.

Kelly and Milley seem to be carrying a grudge and have an axe to grind. Those who worked for him not making any such claims far out number the few who are.

Fortunately we have Trump’s own words and actions to go by as well. I have no personal grudge against him but I see him as plainly undemocratic and fascist in his entire approach to politics.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Prior to the 1920s was over a hundred years ago and the world's population was about 1.5 billion.

And yet, that's the period from whence Trump proudly derives his trade policy.

 

[ozso]

And yet, that's the period from whence Trump proudly derives his trade policy.

I googled 'Trump proudly derives his trade policy from the 1920s', but I couldn't find anything.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I googled 'Trump proudly derives his trade policy from the 1920s', but I couldn't find anything.

"prior to the 1920's":

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-donald-trump-talks-so-much-about-william-mckinley-130007779.html

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/trumps-selective-celebration-president-mckinley

 

[ozso]

"prior to the 1920's":

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-donald-trump-talks-so-much-about-william-mckinley-130007779.html

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/trumps-selective-celebration-president-mckinley

So this is based on Ben Werschkul's analysis.

 

[iluvatar5150]

So this is based on Ben Werschkul's analysis.

No, it's based on the fact that Trump loves tariffs and has talked repeatedly about how great they are and how our government used to be funded almost entirely by them. He's pulling his trade (and tax) policy from the late 19th / early 20th century.

 

[ozso]

No, it's based on the fact that Trump loves tariffs and has talked repeatedly about how great they are and how our government used to be funded almost entirely by them. He's pulling his trade (and tax) policy from the late 19th / early 20th century.

Some policies can be pulled from the past like anything involving the US Constitution for example. But I don't think how immigration was handled over a hundred years ago fits that, because we've gone from 1.5 billion people to 8 billion people since then. This country isn't growing at the rate now as it was back then. These days we have overcrowding rather than vast open spaces and new cities needing to be populated. So I don't think the reasoning that "hey my great-great-great-great grandfather came into this country unchecked and undocumented" really fits in with where we're at in 2024.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It'd be anyone who enters within the guidelines of current legal framework that's in place at the time of entry.

Per National Geographic, with regards to the arrivals at Ellis Island (if that's what you're referring to)
Immigrants coming to Ellis Island were generally legal, as there were no visas, passports, or other documentation required for entry at that time

Was not referring to Ellis Island. It was an oyster bed then. Entry to the US was about as simple as disembarking from an international flight with a blue passport. The records kept and the information associated with them were about a simple as filling out the card from US Customs is today.

The whole point is that we keep getting this "they came hear legally" stuff. When most of my ancestors came to the US, it was hard to do so illegally. Sure, you could be Chinese and that was illegal, but they weren't Chinese, so they didn't have that way to be illegally entering. This "they came here legally" bit is a misleading distinction, typically used to imply that current migrants are less virtuous or moral in our modern era of limited paths and byzantine rules.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Was not referring to Ellis Island. It was an oyster bed then. Entry to the US was about as simple as disembarking from an international flight with a blue passport. The records kept and the information associated with them were about a simple as filling out the card from US Customs is today.

The whole point is that we keep getting this "they came hear legally" stuff. When most of my ancestors came to the US, it was hard to do so illegally. Sure, you could be Chinese and that was illegal, but they weren't Chinese, so they didn't have that way to be illegally entering. This "they came here legally" bit is a misleading distinction, typically used to imply that current migrants are less virtuous or moral in our modern era of limited paths and byzantine rules.

Laws getting stricter doesn't equate to a "misleading distinction"

Laws get stricter on certain things for a reason. We evolve with the laws.


For instance, if I got busted tonight for drinking 3-4 beers and then driving home.

"You know, for a lot of these people lecturing about responsible drinking... many of them and their parents would've gotten tons of DUIs back in the 60's and 70's if the laws were as strict then as they are now"

...would neither be a valid defense of my current behavior, nor would it be a good rebuttal against the calls for stricter enforcement of the current drunk driving laws.

 

[rambot]

I'm sure JD Vance would say something like that's when he was suffering from trump derangement syndrome. Kelly and Milley seem to be carrying a grudge and have an axe to grind. Those who worked for Trump not making any such claims, far out number the few who are.

40 or 44 cabinet people are not supporting his current bid.

 

[tz620q]

Saying Mussolini doesn't carry the same level of melodramatic fear mongering as saying Hitler and Nazis.

There is one point of comparison that is valid. Mussolini was hung by the Communists in Italy. The communists in America are trying to hang Trump.

 

[rambot]

There is one point of comparison that is valid. Mussolini was hung by the Communists in Italy. The communists in America are trying to hang Trump.

Lol!
ANYONE is trying to "hang" trump hey?
Not really.

And communists in the US eh? All 3000 registered communists?

Or are you confusing democrats with communists?