Just for once let us all try to be honest.

[Subduction Zone]

Fine, the Bible only has minor errors in it. Happy?

If one demands a literal interpretation of Genesis and Exodus I would not say that that is the case. Odds are that they will not even own up to the minor errors in the Bible.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If one demands a literal interpretation of Genesis and Exodus I would not say that that is the case. Odds are that they will not even own up to the minor errors in the Bible.

Perhaps, but one thing at a time... will a believer accept that there are "minor" errors in the Bible, caused by the occasional translation foul-up?

 

[AV1611VET]

This country was not started by and for Christians.

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620. - Mayflower Compact

 

[TLK Valentine]

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620. - Mayflower Compact

The Pilgrims =/= America.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Pilgrims =/= America.

But they were American at heart, as well as Christian.

 

[HitchSlap]

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620. - Mayflower Compact

But Virginia was already colonized.

 

[AV1611VET]

But Virginia was already colonized.

So was the Promised Land.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620. - Mayflower Compact

In case you do not realize this, the colony of Virginia is not the United States. This is a rather epic fail. Perhaps you would care to try again?

 

[HitchSlap]

So was the Promised Land.

Is that the one with milk and honey?

 

[AV1611VET]

In case you do not realize this, the colony of Virginia is not the United States. This is a rather epic fail. Perhaps you would care to try again?

You don't get it either, do you?

God stamped His name on this real estate BEFORE it was populated.

We aren't the ones who make this a Christian nation, Christ is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that the one with milk and honey?

You betcha!

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't get it either, do you?

God stamped His name on this real estate BEFORE it was populated.

We aren't the ones who make this a Christian nation, Christ is.

I get it. You will try to use any excuse to rationalize bad behavior by those on your side.

The fact is that you still have failed. This is not a Christian country, that is not supported by either the Constitution or the Bible.

 

[rjs330]

Isn't there a First Amendment which says the government cannot force me by law to support a religion in any way?



Actually, no, I don't support it, and you don't have to, because under the Hyde Amendment, tax money doesn't pay for abortion, except when the mother's life is in danger, or in the cases of rape or incest.

Now, if you have a problem with saving the mother's life, or are somehow pro rape and/or incest pregnancy, you can most certainly petition your government to amend the Hyde Amendment...

But abortion is not a religion, so the First Amendment doesn't come into play.

Try again.



One could argue that they are -- why aren't these churches putting up their idols on their own property?



Actually, it's not okay because the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion



It supports a certain religion -- which the First Amendment forbids.

Unless, of course, you allow every religion that wants its share of the pie to join in... and you're willing to pony up.

The Church of Satan has never been shy about offering themselves as the test cases for such events... shockingly, the Christians usually end up backing down when they realize who they've invited to feast at the government trough.



There is plenty of control, demand, and requirements. I pay for your religious idols or else I go to jail.

I've got a First Amendment that says I don't have to do that -- what have you got?

No the first Amendment doesn't say that. It says we cannot make a law for the establishment of a religion and cannot make a law to prohibit the free exercise thereof.

A judge putting up the ten commandments in his courtroom is not establishing by law a religion. Putting up a nativity scene is not by law establishing a religion. It's a recognition of an extremely important belief that helped in the founding of this country.
The intent of the First Amendment is clearly established in the Christian references scriptures traditions and monuments that are replete within our government and withing the government buildings and property that were built and formed during the early years if this country.

I actually have the Constitution on my side as well as history.





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[Subduction Zone]

No the first Amendment doesn't say that. It says we cannot make a law for the establishment of a religion and cannot make a law to prohibit the free exercise thereof.

A judge putting up the ten commandments in his courtroom is not establishing by law a religion. Putting up a nativity scene is not by law establishing a religion. It's a recognition of an extremely important belief that helped in the founding of this country.
The intent of the First Amendment is clearly established in the Christian references scriptures traditions and monuments that are replete within our government and withing the government buildings and property that were built and formed during the early years if this country.

I actually have the Constitution on my side as well as history.





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Since courts disagree with you it appears that you are wrong on both of your claims.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is not a Christian country, that is not supported by either the Constitution or the Bible.

Don't forget the Mayflower Compact.

Autodenial can overlook some things.

 

[mmksparbud]

You have obviously missed out on a scientific education to start with. It is hard to truly appreciate the world that we live in without one. And if you make a statement about something you really should know what you are talking about. And the reason that I have no God in my life is the same reason that you don't have one either.

Please, don't make charges against others that you can't support. Let's try to stick with the science since this is a science based areas of the forum. Plain and simple there is no scientific evidence that supports your beliefs. Almost all creationists do not understand the relatively simple concept of scientific evidence. For some reason it seems to scare them.

In other words---I've missed out on nothing. Science doesn't scare us. And we appreciate this world in a way you all can not in any way do so---We pity you--for we see the magnitude of God, the beauty of His thinking in the design of the world and the awesome designs and varieties of His creatures. They all speak of Him, and you can not see it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No the first Amendment doesn't say that. It says we cannot make a law for the establishment of a religion and cannot make a law to prohibit the free exercise thereof.

And when the government forces people, under penalty of jail, to pay for something with their tax money, They've established something.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Don't forget the Mayflower Compact.

Autodenial can overlook some things.

The Mayflower Compact can take a hike.

It holds no weight in the establishment of this country.

 

[rjs330]

Of course it has errors in it. Don't be silly. It has hundreds of self contradictions alone. We know that there never was a worldwide flood. We know that there were never only two people on this Earth.

And I do not twist the scriptures. I see Christians doing that far more often than I ever would.

You know an awful lot for not having been there.

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[Subduction Zone]

In other words---I've missed out on nothing. Science doesn't scare us. And we appreciate this world in a way you all can not in any way do so---We pity you--for we see the magnitude of God, the beauty of His thinking in the design of the world and the awesome designs and varieties of His creatures. They all speak of Him, and you can not see it.

You have just shown that you have missed out on plenty. Science is not meant to scare us. Where did you get that idea from? And a fallacious belief does not give one any advantages. It appears that you are fooling yourself when you speak of the world that we can see today. My beliefs are supported by valid evidence. It appears that you have only faith, and that is something that all religions have, Christian or not.