Just for once let us all try to be honest.

[Subduction Zone]

You know an awful lot for not having been there.

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What makes you think that you have to "be there" to know something?

 

[rjs330]

Fine, the Bible only has minor errors in it. Happy?

Yep thanks

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[rjs330]

What makes you think that you have to "be there" to know something?

Unless you were there you don't know what happened for sure. We all know that science interprets what they see or discover. We also know science is interpreted by human beings. We also know human beings make mistakes in the interpretation of what they find based upon various factors. We know that science has made errors in the past. Therefore we do not "know" what happened way back then but can only guess and have ideas. But those ideas can be in error. So unless you were there you don't know.

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[Subduction Zone]

Unless you were there you don't know what happened for sure. We all know that science interprets what they see or discover. We also know science is interpreted by human beings. We also know human beings make mistakes in the interpretation of what they find based upon various factors. We know that science has made errors in the past. Therefore we do not "know" what happened way back then but can only guess and have ideas. But those ideas can be in error. So unless you were there you don't know.

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So since no one was there when the Bible was written you are saying that it is worthless?

Of course science has made mistakes. It also has a mechanism for correcting those mistakes. You rely on the science that tells us that you are wrong every day.

And knowledge is demonstrable. Scientists can show why they know what they know. All you have is mere belief. Belief is much more fallible than knowledge acquired from many lifetimes of study.

 

[mmksparbud]

You have just shown that you have missed out on plenty. Science is not meant to scare us. Where did you get that idea from? .

From you:

Almost all creationists do not understand the relatively simple concept of scientific evidence. For some reason it seems to scare them.

And a fallacious belief does not give one any advantages. It appears that you are fooling yourself when you speak of the world that we can see today. My beliefs are supported by valid evidence. It appears that you have only faith, and that is something that all religions have, Christian or not.

You just keep telling yourself that.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Mayflower Compact can take a hike.

It holds no weight in the establishment of this country.

As Israel is JEHOVAH's Promised Land, America is JESUS' Promised Land.

 

[Subduction Zone]

From you:





You just keep telling yourself that.

It is a demonstrable fact. There is no scientific evidence for creationism. If you think there is then list it. Odds are that you will only demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of evidence.

You should not get offended when a correctable defect that you may have is shown to you.

 

[mmksparbud]

It is a demonstrable fact. There is no scientific evidence for creationism. If you think there is then list it. Odds are that you will only demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of evidence.

You should not get offended when a correctable defect that you may have is shown to you.

LOL!! You don't get it!! I need no scientific evidence to prove there is a God!! God is not experienced that way. God is an experience, not a mathematical equation!! I know there is a God, I walked away from Him, I came back to Him, I have been guided by Him,
I've had answered prayers, He speaks to my heart---these are things that are not scientifically proved and I don't need it to be. You can call it delusional, it doesn't matter. You can laugh at this "foolish stupidity"--doesn't matter. You can not prove to me there is no God---can't do it. I've had my prove He is real from my life. You can not, in any way, prove that He doesn't exist. I look at the sky and see Him in everything up there, the whole universe screams His presence, I can look at the smallest of things under a microscope and see Him. You can not see Him anywhere. And as foolish as you think I am, I think you are even more so for not experiencing the obvious. It is truly sad. You needn't reply, you have nothing you can say to me that would in any way change my mind. I can only pray that one day, you will experience Him for yourself.

 

[rjs330]

So since no one was there when the Bible was written you are saying that it is worthless?

Of course science has made mistakes. It also has a mechanism for correcting those mistakes. You rely on the science that tells us that you are wrong every day.

And knowledge is demonstrable. Scientists can show why they know what they know. All you have is mere belief. Belief is much more fallible than knowledge acquired from many lifetimes of study.

Knowledge and science is often demonstrably wrong. Yes I have a belief. I have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not yet seen. I absolutely have that.

And of course the Bible isn't worthless because it was inspired by God thus making it true. If it was not inspired by God then it would be as you say a book of nothing but interesting stories. But my faith and personal experience tells me that it is true and inspired by God.

I trust God I do not trust man when they claim something opposite of what God says. God is infallible, man is not. Science proves that all the time.

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[Mobezom]

"I'm right because God cannot possibly be wrong"

I guess we have completely different minds, then. Questions are like itches that I can't leave unscratched, and I get a rush whenever I find myself to be wrong. I (at least try to) move my mind to the truth via evidence, not change the truth to be what's already in my mind via "faith". (Or what's already in someone else's mind, whatever)

But I guess you can live your life not minding, nay, not even knowing that you might be wrong. Life is simpler that way. I won't deny you that. Your choice. *shrug*

 

[TLK Valentine]

As Israel is JEHOVAH's Promised Land, America is JESUS' Promised Land.

And as the Jews had Divine orders to remove the "squatters" from Israel, the settlers had Divine orders to remove the "squatters" from America...

Manifest Destiny, baby!

 

[mmksparbud]

And as the Jews had Divine orders to remove the "squatters" from Israel, the settlers had Divine orders to remove the "squatters" from America...

Manifest Destiny, baby!

The Jew had divine orders---who had Divine orders here? What group had those orders? The Jews were a group God set aside from the time of Abraham to lead to a certain spot. What spot did this group have orders to take over because this whole country got taken over, the Jews had a tiny little spot of sand on the map of the world. The Jews had a relationship with a God they believed in and set up a government led by God and their lives were centered around the worship of that God? What God led whom to take over a continent and where are they now? The country of Israel considers themselves led by that God and still worship that God government, private and public.
Does this statement mean that you now believe there is a God who led this country????

 

[AV1611VET]

The Jew had divine orders---who had Divine orders here? What group had those orders?

I don't think orders have much of a place in the scientific community, since modern science breeds anarchism.

Modern Science and Anarchism

Why do you think they want the Ten Commandments removed?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Knowledge and science is often demonstrably wrong. Yes I have a belief. I have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not yet seen. I absolutely have that.

But faith is the worst reason possible to believe something. And yes, science is often demonstrably wrong. It has a correction mechanism. The Bible is even more often demonstrably wrong. Where is its correction mechanism?

And of course the Bible isn't worthless because it was inspired by God thus making it true. If it was not inspired by God then it would be as you say a book of nothing but interesting stories. But my faith and personal experience tells me that it is true and inspired by God.

But there is no valid reason to believe that the Bible is inspired by God. That is the exact same sort of claim that Muslims and other religions make. If you want to claim the Bible is special the burden of proof is upon you.

I trust God I do not trust man when they claim something opposite of what God says. God is infallible, man is not. Science proves that all the time.

But the Bible is not what "God says". The Bible does not even claim that. One has to use a rather strained interpretation of the Bible to come up with that claim.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I don't think orders have much of a place in the scientific community, since modern science breeds anarchism.

Modern Science and Anarchism

Why do you think they want the Ten Commandments removed?

Indeed -- without orders, there'd have been no Manifest Destiny...

and where would America be without that?

 

[rjs330]

But faith is the worst reason possible to believe something. And yes, science is often demonstrably wrong. It has a correction mechanism. The Bible is even more often demonstrably wrong. Where is its correction mechanism?



But there is no valid reason to believe that the Bible is inspired by God. That is the exact same sort of claim that Muslims and other religions make. If you want to claim the Bible is special the burden of proof is upon you.



But the Bible is not what "God says". The Bible does not even claim that. One has to use a rather strained interpretation of the Bible to come up with that claim.

You say it's the worst reason, but that's an opinion. When it comes to God faith is essential. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Jesus said blessed are those that saw him and believed. He said even more blessed are those that have not seen him and yet still believed.

The Bible does claim it is what God says. The apostles say the OT scriptures are inspired by God. They state they tell us what God has revealed to them. Yes it is a claim made by other religions, but they are wrong. Can I prove scientifically that they are wrong and the Bible is right? Nope. Can you touch God with your fingers, smell him with your nose, put him under a microscope, hear him with your ears, see him with your eyes? No. Can you measure him, weigh him, put him in a scientific category, warm him up, cool him down and experiment in him? No.

Can you know him, have him speak to your heart, find him? Yes. He said that he will be found if you seek him with all your heart. With your heart, not your scopes or your chemicals, or by any scientific method. Your heart. Once you find him you will then see him in all the things around you. But you have to seek him out with your heart first.

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[TLK Valentine]

Knowledge and science is often demonstrably wrong. Yes I have a belief. I have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not yet seen. I absolutely have that.

And that faith just might be leading you in precisely the wrong direction... alas, you'll never know.

And of course the Bible isn't worthless because it was inspired by God thus making it true. If it was not inspired by God then it would be as you say a book of nothing but interesting stories. But my faith and personal experience tells me that it is true and inspired by God.

Your faith and personal experience being worth approximately...?

I trust God I do not trust man when they claim something opposite of what God says. God is infallible, man is not. Science proves that all the time.

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But's it's not God's faith you're relying on, it's your own.

In the end, your trust is in man -- yourself.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Unless you were there you don't know what happened for sure. We all know that science interprets what they see or discover. We also know science is interpreted by human beings. We also know human beings make mistakes in the interpretation of what they find based upon various factors. We know that science has made errors in the past. Therefore we do not "know" what happened way back then but can only guess and have ideas. But those ideas can be in error. So unless you were there you don't know.

By that reasoning you would not know "for sure" even if you were there yourself. You are (I presume) a human being. Human beings make mistakes in the interpretation of what they find based upon various factors. Therefore human beings do not "know" but can only guess and have ideas. Ergo, the "were you there" argument is invalid.

 

[Mobezom]

Unless you were there you don't know what happened for sure. We all know that science interprets what they see or discover. We also know science is interpreted by human beings. We also know human beings make mistakes in the interpretation of what they find based upon various factors. We know that science has made errors in the past. Therefore we do not "know" what happened way back then but can only guess and have ideas. But those ideas can be in error. So unless you were there you don't know.

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Fallacy identified, type: "Science was wrong before"

I don't think orders have much of a place in the scientific community, since modern science breeds anarchism.

Modern Science and Anarchism

Why do you think they want the Ten Commandments removed?

"Anarchism, like Socialism in general, and like every other social movement, has not, of course, developed out of science or out of some philosophical school." Read the first sentence. Or how about "Not out of the universities, therefore, does Anarchism come."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Knowledge and science is often demonstrably wrong. Yes I have a belief. I have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not yet seen. I absolutely have that.

In other words you like make believe.

And of course the Bible isn't worthless because it was inspired by God thus making it true. If it was not inspired by God then it would be as you say a book of nothing but interesting stories. But my faith and personal experience tells me that it is true and inspired by God.

there is no valid evidence at all that it was inspired by God. In fact its countless error, bad morals, self contradictions, etc tell us that it is a very flawed work of man.

I trust God I do not trust man when they claim something opposite of what God says. God is infallible, man is not. Science proves that all the time.

But you are not "trusting God". You are trusting the relatively uneducated writers of the Bible. There is a huge difference.