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Just an insteresting scripture

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by GraftMeIn, Sep 8, 2002.

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  1. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

    It is a shame that all you see is typing...

    I am not being rude nor am I prideful...

    So to answer your question yes, they are seperate events. Diligent study and good hermenuetics show that the tribulation and the Day of the Lord are seperate events. Now, how about you? Can you answer my question? Why do you think that they are the same?
  2. Chloe

    Chloe The whole Bible is the Whole Word of God


    Look, I asked you what makes you think they are the same.  Are you avoiding answering my question?  You come off as being prideful in that you state things like we all should know exactly what you know or believe exactly as you do, and if we don't, then we are unlearned and do not study our Bibles. 
  3. GraftMeIn

    GraftMeIn The Masters Gardener

    The best way to learn is by reading the Bible and asking God for understanding. If you want sure signs, one will be the antichrist, And the falling away of the church.

    2 Thessalonians 2: 1-4
    2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

  4. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

    Sorry, you didn't ask me what makes them the same. I told you they are not. You didn't like the answer I gave. That is fine. Now who is being rude and disrespectful.

    It is fine if you don't agree with me. It doesn't matter to me. All I care about is correct biblical interpretation. Should I have to tell you again, the tribulation is a testing of the saints [church] at the hand of Satan to seperate wheat from tares so at the rapture only the wheat will be presentable to the Lord for rescue while the Day of the Lord are for those who are unrepentant toward the Lord and will endure His wrath. Are you satisfied now? It will have to be for this is the last post to you.
  5. Chloe

    Chloe The whole Bible is the Whole Word of God

    Same, different, whatever.

    But you didn't give an answer.  You said, "It's obvious, do you not read scripture? :confused: I didn't like the answer you gave because you didn't give one and you came across as rude. 

    "Should you have to tell me again?"   I don't think that was necessary. 


    The tribulation is NOT the testing of saints.  It is for the unbelievers.  There are 2 days of the Lord spoken about in scripture, one being Jesus' second coming, the other is the terrible day of the Lord in which His wrath will be poured out.

    The terrible day of the Lord, as it is called in Joel, IS the tribulation.  If satan in fact is going to pour out his wrath, then he has started early, because he's been doing it since creation(through deception, etc.) and will do it again when he is released for a short time, after his 1000 years of being bound during the millennial reign of Christ. 

    There is nothing scriptural to support your view that the tribulation is satan's wrath.
  6. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

    Whatever, my dear. But if this generation enters the 70th week and YOU are unprepared...you can't say you were never warned.

    I can't convince you becasue your mind is already made up even if I showed you are in error from Scripture. I could. But so be it. It isn't worth my time to show you due to your closed mind. Have a nice day.
  7. Frank

    Frank New Member

    How ironic...evidently you don't have any mirrors handy...
  8. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member

    Note that we Christians are referred to throughout Revelation (6:11, 7:14, 9:4, 12:17, 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 15:2, 16:15, 18:4, 20:4), and there are no Christians outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-5).

    Note that we can be in the tribulation without being appointed to God's wrath, for during the tribulation nobody in heaven says God's wrath "is come" until near the end of the tribulation, after the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15, 18), in the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation 15:1; Revelation 16), and none of the 7 vials are poured out on those of us who have obtained salvation; I believe we are even blessed at the 6th vial (Revelation 16:15), that we might endure to the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12), which is the day I believe Jesus will come back (Revelation 19).

    I think it's important to make this distinction because many people -- including many Christians -- are going to be blaming God for everything bad that happens to them in the tribulation; they're going to be saying that God is the one causing all of their suffering, when in reality it will be Satan, evil men, and natural disasters that are causing it.

    Satan is going to try to use the suffering of the tribulation to turn people -- even us Christians -- away from God, to get us to believe that God is really a cruel and unjust tyrant who only wants mankind to suffer and be tortured, while Satan is the one trying to help us. We need to be able to say, no, this suffering is not from God, but from evil and natural sources, just as we Christians have always had to suffer in wars, famines, plagues, persecutions, and natural disasters throughout history, from the beginning of the church down until this day.

    In the pre-trib view, will those who "obtain salvation" in the tribulation be "appointed to wrath?" Aren't being "appointed to wrath" and "obtaining salvation" mutually exclusive?

    "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

    Is there a verse that says or requires that the day of the Lord begin before the 2nd coming?

    I believe the day of the Lord will begin at the 2nd coming, and is the day we wait for (1 Corinthians 1:7-8), watch for (1 Thessalonians 5:2-6), and will rejoice in (2 Corinthians 1:14).

    "Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord" (1 Corinthians 1:7-8).

    "Yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night... But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief... let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch" (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 4, 6).

    "We are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord" (2 Corinthians 1:14).

    Paul said the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night (1 Thessalonians 5:2) and the Lord said he will come as a thief (Matthew 24:43-44), and there's no 3rd coming of the Lord.

    I believe the subject of 2 Peter 3:4-10 is the promise of the Lord's 2nd coming: "Where is the promise of his coming?... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise... the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night" (2 Peter 3:4, 9, 10).
  9. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member


    It is easy to sit and play a moralist, is it? Do you know what is ironic, is that YOU didn't state what you believe, now that is truly ironic. Have a nice day.
  10. rollinTHUNDER

    rollinTHUNDER Veteran

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    Amen Sister!!!

    You got that right. We won't be trying to seek the truth in these books. We will go straight to the source. Also, if the resurrection has already happened, then we should be able to look into our History books and find out who all those christians were who reigned with Christ for those 1000 years. The world still thinks Elvis was the king. Trust me, if there ever was a 1000 year reign in history, we would never forget the things that the immortals had done. Can anyone name someone who reigned with Christ a thousand years, and if so, also tell us about the great things this immortal has done in his Kings honor, and please don't name the pagan gods???
  11. Brian45

    Brian45 Senior Member

    2 Timothy 2
    17And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
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