Judge Temporarily Blocks Trump Administration’s Birth-Control Rule

[dogs4thewin]

So, my point was true.

There are other ways around that as well, for example a business may carter to a particular group. There are funeral homes and even some stores that mainly for example serve black people though they may not refuse to serve others.

 

[blackribbon]

Insurance should be required to cover it. It's a Medical issue as well as a Health Issue.

Insurance doesn't cover condoms. Why should insurance be required to cover anything. Shouldn't we as consumers be allowed to choose what insurance coverage we want to pay for.

Returning a body's sexual function back to a normal state is actually a medical issue. It also affects a woman if her husband can't have a normal sexual life. That doesn't mean it is comparable to contraception. And it is used for heart issues in both males and females.

 

[blackribbon]

Well, it depends on when something became common and how bad it is percived to be there are shootings every day on the news, for example.

How many times have you been sexually abused at a job where you needed contraception to prevent a baby? Me...never. I actually just do work at work.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Insurance doesn't cover condoms. Why should insurance be required to cover anything. Should we as consumers be allowed to choice what insurance coverage we want to pay for.

Returning a body's sexual function back to a normal state is actually a medical issue. It also affects a woman if her husband can't have a normal sexual life. That doesn't mean it is comparable to contraception. And it is used for heart issues in both males and females.

Insurance should not be required to cover any particular thing, but and this is another issue they should not be permitted to drop you for using it, either. Yes I do know that as of now various types of insurance do that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How many times have you been sexually abused at a job where you needed contraception to prevent a baby? Me...never. I actually just do work at work.

Well, to be fair rape (by defiaition is not planned by the victim, so you can be doing work at work and still have that issue.

 

[blackribbon]

Well, it depends on when something became common and how bad it is percived to be there are shootings every day on the news, for example.

Shootings aren't really that common either...how many people do you know who have been shot or even held up at gunpoint? I kind of believe that most people have never seen a real gun up close or shot one.

 

[Rubiks]

What about if you owned a restaurant and didn't want to serve blacks?

Refusing to serve blacks is discrimination. Refusal to offer birth control (which is extremely inexpensive, by the way) affects everyone equally.

 

[blackribbon]

Insurance should not be required to cover any particular thing, but and this is another issue they should not be permitted to drop you for using it, either. Yes I do know that as of now various types of insurance do that.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to drop you within the scope of the contract you sign with them as long as they cover you while you are within the contracted period?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Shootings aren't really that common either...how many people do you know who have been shot or even held up at gunpoint? I kind of believe that most people have never seen a real gun up close or shot one.

well, murder rate is high in the cities. It seems that EVERY DAY I see a story about people getting shot in a particular city and there are others that are known for their violence. As for guns themselves depends on the area and the state. The ONLY reason I have never shot a gun is likely that I know my motor skills and eyesight would make such an action foolish for me, but I know PLENTY of people who have shot a gun and who would if need be. In fact stats show that there are as many guns in this country ( give or take a few as there are people.) That means people not adults not people who have or use guns but people.

 

[cow451]

that was my point, birth control is not used solely for birth control, but I still do not feel that insurance should be required to cover it.

Let me guess. You’re a guy.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Why shouldn't they be allowed to drop you within the scope of the contract you sign with them as long as they cover you while you are within the contracted period?

They CAN drop you by not renewing the contract, but they should not drop you merely for using it that is what it is for.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Let me guess. You’re a guy.

Actually, I am a female, though I DO have some traits of males such as perfering the color blue, maintain short hair and enjoying playing war games from time to time, but I am certainly a woman and do NOT wish to change that.

 

[blackribbon]

Refusing to serve blacks is discrimination. Refusal to offer birth control (which is extremely inexpensive, by the way) affects everyone equally.

Condoms are not expensive. IUD without insurance is about $500-800 and provides pregnancy protection for 3-5 years. The injection cost about $60 and is good for 3 months. Various generic birth control pills are available at places like Walmart on their discount lists for under $10 a month.

All of these methods are cheaper raising a child....or having a cell phone...having cable TV....none of which the government requires your employer to pay for.

Why should I be required to buy an insurance program that covers birth control if I don't need prescription birth control?

 

[blackribbon]

They CAN drop you by not renewing the contract, but they should not drop you merely for using it that is what it is for.

That is what I said...you don't contract with an insurance company for life...just for a contract period and either parties should be allowed to separate at the end of the contract if they wish.

 

[blackribbon]

well, murder rate is high in the cities. It seems that EVERY DAY I see a story about people getting shot in a particular city and there are others that are known for their violence. As for guns themselves depends on the area and the state. The ONLY reason I have never shot a gun is likely that I know my motor skills and eyesight would make such an action foolish for me, but I know PLENTY of people who have shot a gun and who would if need be. In fact stats show that there are as many guns in this country ( give or take a few as there are people.) That means people not adults not people who have or use guns but people.

Again, it is news because it is NOT that common. How many stories do you see that Suzy when to the grocery store to buy food for her family and had enough money for it? How many stories do you see that someone's fuel pump went out and they had to call a friend for a ride to work? These are common things and not "news". Shootings and sexual abuse on the job are not...therefore, newsworthy.

As for gun owners...well, we tend to own more than one gun so it isn't a one-to-one correlation with the general population. Most my friends have never touched a real gun.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

So just some people. Okay.

More than "so just some people". I think it is fair to say at least 22 million Americans want right to discriminate. That is significant part of American population and significant part of Trump base.

22 million Americans support neo-Nazis, new poll indicates

 

[blackribbon]

More than "so just some people". I think it is fair to say at least 22 million Americans want right to discriminate. That is significant part of American population and significant part of Trump base.

22 million Americans support neo-Nazis, new poll indicates

Not really, Most Americans are okay accepting business from paying customers who behave appropriately and don't care what their skin color or religion is as long as their money is green and American.

What we support is a person's right to believe what they believe and think what they think as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or break any laws.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Not really, Most Americans are okay accepting business from paying customers who behave appropriately and don't care what their skin color or religion is as long as their money is green and American.

What we support is a person's right to believe what they believe and think what they think as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or break any laws.

That is your opinion. But what does it have to do with my post which you quoted?

 

[blackribbon]

That is your opinion. But what does it have to do with my post which you quoted?

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That 22 million believe it is all right for some people to believe in white supremacy. They are allowed to believe what they want...as long as they don't hurt anyone or break a law. (then they should be arrested for what they did and not what they believe.)

 

[jayem]

Hope the Trump ruling is upheld. The government shouldn't force citizens to violate their consciences.

But this is a business we're talking about. And not a sole proprietorship owned by a single person. Or a business like Hobby Lobby which is owned by a family group. The Trump rule exempts publicly held corporations. Which may be owned by tens or hundreds of thousands of shareholders. And includes more than individuals. Banks, insurance companies, mutual funds, pension plans, universities, and other institutions also own stock. Is conscience a relevant term is this situation? And if so, who's conscience in a public corporation should determine its employee benefits policy? The Chairman/CEO? The HR chief? The top management team? The Board of Directors? Maybe all of the shareholders should vote on it. After all, they are the owners of the company. I'm sure you get the point. In the end, a publicly owned company has a sort of collective conscience, not a personal one. I'm not sure a collective conscience can be violated in the way you seem to use the term. But if you're a stockholder, and you feel your company's actions are unconscionable, then you can recruit like-minded shareholders and mount a challenge to the management. Or--much easier--you just sell your stock.