joining for christians

[rppearso]

We should all be fruit inspectors is all im saying and basic training is not exception.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Your basic training experience is limited to your experience only. There are how many who go through basic training each year? There is no way you can know what each person experienced or what they thought of basic training. You know what your experience in your platoon was like and only that. Members of the same platoon can have a different view of what it was like. Not all the DS's are alike, they vary within the platoon. Maybe you got a couple who were hard on your platoon. Maybe, just maybe your platoon deserved to have the DS's hard on you.

Please respect other people's opinions and experiences and quit telling them that they are wrong and you are right. That what you think is right and there is no other way. You have given the OP warning. You don't have to badger the issue to death. You don't have to come on here and repeat the same things over and over. I am sure he got your point a long time ago. If you want to discuss your views of the Army from your limited perspective, I suggest you start another thread, but I am sure you have done that in the past. You don't need to hijack every thread in here. This is suppose to be a safe place for military members, their families and those seeking information. We don't want to be badgered by you all the time. Have you noticed that the OP has not been back on this thread. I can't blame him actually.

I am one who looks at our jobs as vocations that God has placed us in. He can and does place Christians in the military. The military is a great mission field and we need Christians there.

Jesus told us that there is no greater love that a man has than to lay down his life for another. Can you think of any other vocation where someone is willing to lay down their life for people they never even met?

My own son has used his time discussing religion with those around him. Who knows how many people these discussions will touch. He has probably had more opportunities will in the service than he had before.

Now quit spouting your limited experience of the Army as the norm. You have warned others, let them make their decisions with the information they have.

Do you have children? I have a feeling you don't. You would have learned a basic fact if you do. People need to learn their on their own and that even means making mistakes and learning from them. I use the example of children for a reason. We tell your young child not to touch as it is hot and you will bet burned (for instance a burner on a stove). We tell them and tell them, but the just have to touch. When they touch, they learn real fast that it is hot and they won't touch again. You can warn and warn people that you don't think they should do something, but until they have their own experience, they will not fully understand what you are trying to warn them about. They may find that you are right and they may not. Many find that the Army is different than what you are warning about.

So you have warned, now let others find out for themselves if the Army is for them or not. Their experiences may be vastly different than yours. Please take time to think and pray if your posting these posts of yours are the best way to go about warning others or if there is some other avenue that your would be better off channeling your energies.

 

[rppearso]

Your basic training experience is limited to your experience only. There are how many who go through basic training each year? There is no way you can know what each person experienced or what they thought of basic training. You know what your experience in your platoon was like and only that. Members of the same platoon can have a different view of what it was like. Not all the DS's are alike, they vary within the platoon. Maybe you got a couple who were hard on your platoon. Maybe, just maybe your platoon deserved to have the DS's hard on you.

Please respect other people's opinions and experiences and quit telling them that they are wrong and you are right. That what you think is right and there is no other way. You have given the OP warning. You don't have to badger the issue to death. You don't have to come on here and repeat the same things over and over. I am sure he got your point a long time ago. If you want to discuss your views of the Army from your limited perspective, I suggest you start another thread, but I am sure you have done that in the past. You don't need to hijack every thread in here. This is suppose to be a safe place for military members, their families and those seeking information. We don't want to be badgered by you all the time. Have you noticed that the OP has not been back on this thread. I can't blame him actually.

I am one who looks at our jobs as vocations that God has placed us in. He can and does place Christians in the military. The military is a great mission field and we need Christians there.

Jesus told us that there is no greater love that a man has than to lay down his life for another. Can you think of any other vocation where someone is willing to lay down their life for people they never even met?

My own son has used his time discussing religion with those around him. Who knows how many people these discussions will touch. He has probably had more opportunities will in the service than he had before.

Now quit spouting your limited experience of the Army as the norm. You have warned others, let them make their decisions with the information they have.

Do you have children? I have a feeling you don't. You would have learned a basic fact if you do. People need to learn their on their own and that even means making mistakes and learning from them. I use the example of children for a reason. We tell your young child not to touch as it is hot and you will bet burned (for instance a burner on a stove). We tell them and tell them, but the just have to touch. When they touch, they learn real fast that it is hot and they won't touch again. You can warn and warn people that you don't think they should do something, but until they have their own experience, they will not fully understand what you are trying to warn them about. They may find that you are right and they may not. Many find that the Army is different than what you are warning about.

So you have warned, now let others find out for themselves if the Army is for them or not. Their experiences may be vastly different than yours. Please take time to think and pray if your posting these posts of yours are the best way to go about warning others or if there is some other avenue that your would be better off channeling your energies.

Edit, im sorry other christians feel this way, I wish it was "support only" when I was messed up in basic.

 

[ICor1311]

Right. However, I never knew you were ever in any branch of the military until you stated that. As far as discharge and discharge types, all that information was at your fingertips and, as you seem quite capable of doing so, you should have researched the discharge types.

I just still can not get past the part of how the military was so hard on you when you were a Weekend Warrior. You were to have worked 1 weekend per month, 2 weeks a year. More than likely, you had a 6x2 contract. Therefore, you would have worked for a total of 1 year during a 6 year contract (not including deployments, if there were deployments).

It honestly doesn't matter what else you state on here. You can go on and on about how the NG just made your life miserable, you were always picked on, the dog ate your homework, you were bullied, your lunch money was stolen, whatever else you feel obligated to complain about. If you spent 2 years in the NG, you have 9 weeks of BT, probably 10 weeks of AIT, and a total of 64 days of weekend training and annual training. I have given you credit for more time than you actually received. However, for sake of argument, we'll use these numbers.

So, in short, your experience is a whopping 7 months. Yet, you're going to tell everyone else here how the military "really is".

When you start wearing big boy pants, then come and state your point.

 

[I'ddie4him2]

All I am saying as christians we are called to be fruit inspectors, basic training is no exception.

All I am saying as christians we are called to be fruit inspectors, basic training is no exception.

We should all be fruit inspectors is all im saying and basic training is not exception.

Perhaps one should inspect their own fruits first and then inspect others afterwards.

 

[I'ddie4him2]

I do agree with you, but the problem is once you join and learn for yourself there is a social and possibly carrer stigma that CAN follow you around, just look at how I am treated because the army was not for me and I got out vs had I never joined in the first place. People are sympathetic to other things like college not being your thing or trade school or whatever (unless you show a trend of quiting everything you do) but with the military they can really mess your life up, I learned alot with my brief time in and have done tons of research. I honestly believe that military discharge types are a contributing factor to fostering criminal activity because it can bar someone from lucrative carrer opprotunities etc.

Also what fruit is displayed in basic training? Actually I think I will send an email to the assistant pastor of our church regarding this issue, no exception should be made just because "its the military", there is no clause at the end of the new testimate that says oh by the way none of this applies to national militaries, denigrate, bager and haze away.

For myself, failing to understand this drasticly effects my relationships with veterans who defend the military system, because in my mind there is no excuse for such poor behavior or defending such poor behavior (such as basic training treatment), why are such exceptions made by some christians, how do you justify it? I have been asking this question for years now and no one can answer it all they do is flame and how dare I question basic military training like its a national cult.

As far as thread hijacks, the way I see it is if the topic changes course and the OP's question has been answered what is wrong with it, dont you have segways in conversations with friends and co-workers, a forum should be the same way, if the OP comes back and has a question he should get priority but why is it so bad that a discussion changes, in all the forums I have posted I have never straight up hijacked a thread, I always answer the OP's question and engage in whatever questions but I am not opposed to conversational segways. In this case I just encouraged the OP to straight up walk away.

Then you are missing the forum rules and the reason WHY this forum was setup.
It is NOT for griping and complaining. It is NOT for telling folks to walk away from service.

It IS however for the support and fellowship of those who have served, Currently serving, and or family of those serving.

Kindly keep your comments to yourself, Refrain from posting negative information, and things will be just ducky.
Failure to do that disrupts this forum and I for one will not tolerate it further.
Many others have also stated such, Please RESPECT our wishes.

 

[Gwenyfur]

well said y'all...
and I'll 4th it

 

[rppearso]

Then you are missing the forum rules and the reason WHY this forum was setup.
It is NOT for griping and complaining. It is NOT for telling folks to walk away from service.

It IS however for the support and fellowship of those who have served, Currently serving, and or family of those serving.

Kindly keep your comments to yourself, Refrain from posting negative information, and things will be just ducky.
Failure to do that disrupts this forum and I for one will not tolerate it further.
Many others have also stated such, Please RESPECT our wishes.

Edit.

 

[Gwenyfur]

The question's been answered several times by several christians...
you just want to throw stones 'cause it wasn't the answer *you* wanted to see...

go pester the military debates in debate, politics or CP&E and leave us in peace

 

[ICor1311]

Well, now that's said, how is everyone doing?

 

[QuiltAngel]

I am good and you?

Wonder if the site is working smoother now. Been kind of sporadic lately.

 

[Gwenyfur]

It seems a little better...I only had to click 3 times to make it here

Feel free to snag the avatar...we're pushing for as many as possible to use it

 

[ICor1311]

seems the page is working again. That's a good thing

 

[Bace]

thanks for the replies all {even rppearso's, they were interesting to say the least}. my computer has been a little...difficult lately so i couldnt post thanks earlier. thank you.

 

[ICor1311]

no problem, Bace. Seek God's wisdom. Ask Him to show you the path.

 

[3girls2dogs]

edited

 

[Gwenyfur]

enough already.

 

[3girls2dogs]

Im just going to PM you because you can obviously see how combative some of these people are when they are confronted with the truth. I feel like they are a brood of vipers.

The truth? My husband has been in for 13 years and loves it. Obviously, there is more than one view, but you present yours like it's the only one there could possibly be. Thanks for the name-calling, though. Nice to see that you resort to name-calling when you don't like what someone says. It seems to me that may show why you had so much trouble with the military.

 

[3girls2dogs]

edited

 

[3girls2dogs]

Thanks, Iddie