John Hagee off the deep end

[PreachersWife2004]

1. John Hagee's ministry does indeed preach Christ Crucified.

2. The bible instructs us to rebuke our brothers and sisters when they err.

3. That's a hard one. If it is true that he believes that Jews have a special relationship with God and do not need Jesus for salvation, then I would have to say that he is indeed a wolf in sheep's clothing. He has many other doctrines that I disagree with but they don't make him a false prophet.

 

[Lisa0315]

1. John Hagee's ministry does indeed preach Christ Crucified.

2. The bible instructs us to rebuke our brothers and sisters when they err.

3. That's a hard one. If it is true that he believes that Jews have a special relationship with God and do not need Jesus for salvation, then I would have to say that he is indeed a wolf in sheep's clothing. He has many other doctrines that I disagree with but they don't make him a false prophet.

I don't know the man. Heard the name, but know nothing about him. However, I would like to point out that a false prophet does not have to have it all wrong. Many of the churches in the Early Church had SOME of it right.

So, if he is preaching a false doctrine ESPECIALLY one pertaining to salvation, then, he is, in fact, a false prophet.

The test of any false prophet is to ask them who Jesus Christ is. If they say He is anything other than what He is, then, well, make your own assumptions.

I will do some asking...

Then, on the other side of it...if he has simply been minuderstood or misquoted, that, is on the other person. You just do not mess with God's man without consequences.

I think the safest course is to find out more than just this one blurb about him.

Lisa

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I don't know the man. Heard the name, but know nothing about him. However, I would like to point out that a false prophet does not have to have it all wrong. Many of the churches in the Early Church had SOME of it right.

So, if he is preaching a false doctrine ESPECIALLY one pertaining to salvation, then, he is, in fact, a false prophet.

The test of any false prophet is to ask them who Jesus Christ is. If they say He is anything other than what He is, then, well, make your own assumptions.

I will do some asking...

Then, on the other side of it...if he has simply been minuderstood or misquoted, that, is on the other person. You just do not mess with God's man without consequences.

I think the safest course is to find out more than just this one blurb about him.

Lisa

I don't know about this man, never heard or read any of his stuff....but I'm certainly not going to cast stones without solid proof , especially on something like this...

 

[No Swansong]

My friends as one who wants you to keep your forum open I recommend that you keep conversation to less controversial subjects such as the weather or the first verse of Kumbaya.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

My friends as one who wants you to keep your forum open I recommend that you keep conversation to less controversial subjects such as the weather or the first verse of Kumbaya.

John We're permitted to discuss anything and everything providing it doesn't involve trashing and bashing people, flagrantly or veiled.

Truly, the conservative voice isn't being quashed. Just the flaming and the baiting and the endless policy discussions. We're completely free in here

Stay and talk wth us.

 

[rmw8855]

Please stay & play with us John. We miss you.

 

[No Swansong]

John We're permitted to discuss anything and everything providing it doesn't involve trashing and bashing people, flagrantly or veiled.

Truly, the conservative voice isn't being quashed. Just the flaming and the baiting and the endless policy discussions. We're completely free in here

Stay and talk wth us.

Greenie my friend I am sure that you believe what you are posting. Needless to say I don't.

rmw8855 Thank you for the invite I appreciate it. I will be around to fellowship. But right now I am a threat to your board. (posted as a non-member)

 

[Nadiine]

John We're permitted to discuss anything and everything providing it doesn't involve trashing and bashing people, flagrantly or veiled.

hmm, too bad that wasn't enforced a few wks ago

 

[Cromwe11]

Fruit inspecting always a good time. When fruit inspecting, something to keep in mind is that God's mercy often allows sincere people to come to good things, even through bad circumstance and bad situations.


I believe, if memory serves, the biblical standard for dealing with heresy is the person in question is corrected, if they refuse correction then they are disfellowshipped.

Not all error constitutes heresy, only those which significantly change the core teachings, the gospel and what not.

John Hagee, to my knowledge, has never claimed to be a prophet, nor exercised a prophets role. So I wouldn't call him a false prophet.
However, he has a number of views that I think are completely wrong. I personally heard him teach that Christians who don't believe in the rapture aren't real Christians. His views on Catholicis mare off the wall (though not uncommon among some circles).

I know that he has denied claims that he doesn't believe the Jews don't need Jesus Christ, however, I also know that he and some of his affiliates teach that Jews and Christians have different covenants and that all Jews are saved by virtue of their jewish heretige.

In my opinion, those views alone are border line.

I have been told by a source in Israel that he opposes evangelism of Jews and supports groups that are anti-messianic. I have no particular reason to doubt that, but I also can't corroborate it. It does seem to fit with the rest of his ideas though.

 

[Latreia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The Wiki doesn't seem to be too kind to him, either...

 

[Nadiine]

The Wiki doesn't seem to be too kind to him, either...

that wouldn't surprise me at all

 

[PreachersWife2004]

that wouldn't surprise me at all

Me, either.

I hate the wiki. My college classes won't even accept it as a valid source.

But the wiki does also state that Hagee believes that Jews can get to heaven without Jesus - and the reference they offer is from a jewish site that is currently "loading" or something.

 

[Latreia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

"John C. Hagee (b. April 12, 1940) is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, a non-denominationalevangelical church with more than 19,000 active members.
Hagee is the President and CEO of John Hagee Ministries which telecasts his national radio and television ministry carried in America on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks including The Inspiration Network (INSP) and Trinity Broadcasting Network. The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes. John Hagee Ministries is in Canada on the Miracle Channel and CTS and can be seen in Africa, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and is in most developing nations.
He is also the president and CEO of Global Evangelism Television, which telecasts his radio and television ministry. Hagee has received numerous honors and accolades from national Jewish organizations for his unwavering support of Israel. In pursuit of his support of Israel, Hagee helped found Christians United for Israel on February 7, 2006 as a "Christian AIPAC" lobbying Congress to support Israel.

I suggest that his critics and detractors go out and work and build a Christian ministry as he has done.

He is also an American who supports our greatest ally against Christianity's most terrible enemy.

Nit pick, just realize that others can tell.

 

[Criada]

Seems pretty theologically sound:
Theologically, Hagee believes in the "baptism of the Holy Spirit", the "absolute authority of the scripture", miraculous healing, anointing with oil, baptism by immersion, the importance of evangelism, and the "worship of the Lord through singing, clapping, and the lifting of hands".




This concerns me, tho...

Hagee has said that Iran is a threat to Western civilization and does not believe that the "Islamofascist" mentality will ever respond favorably to diplomacy. He supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran to take out its nuclear capability and supports the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States.

 

[No Swansong]

I have nothing personal against John Hagee and I have never heard him preach that Jews do not need to accept Jesus as their messiah.

The Wiki says he has denounced Replacement Theology. If this is true then it would also be true that he does not accept that the Jew must accept Christ.

That said however Wikipedia is not really a strong resource. There is good reason that most in the Academic world do not accept it.

Until I read or hear differently from Hagee I will still stand skeptical and give the evangelist the benefit of the doubt.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The size of his ministry means absolutely nothing if he is not teaching the truth.

 

[No Swansong]

This concerns me, tho...

Hagee has said that Iran is a threat to Western civilization and does not believe that the "Islamofascist" mentality will ever respond favorably to diplomacy. He supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran to take out its nuclear capability and supports the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States.

While I also find it concerning, I agree. I do not believe that Iran is going to respond to Diplomacy. And I think Putin is looking for a reason to start the cold war again. So I wouldn't agree that Iran's discussions with Russia show any real sort of advancement. This may surprise some of you but I also support a surgical pre-emptive strike against Iran's Nuclear facilities.

 

[No Swansong]

The size of his ministry means absolutely nothing if he is not teaching the truth.

I agree with that and I think our sister does also, but no one has really presented any direct evidence (except for a poorly dubbed commercial that I have never seen broadcast except of youtube of all places) that he is teaching error.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

While I also find it concerning, I agree. I do not believe that Iran is going to respond to Diplomacy. And I think Putin is looking for a reason to start the cold war again. So I wouldn't agree that Iran's discussions with Russia show any real sort of advancement. This may surprise some of you but I also support a surgical pre-emptive strike against Iran's Nuclear facilities.

Hubby agrees with this too. Of course, if Hubby had his way the ME would just bomb itself back into the middle ages...

And I am skeptical of anything Russia gets its hands into.