John 3:16 is OSAS

[AVB 2]

A slight rephrase of the original question. Can a BORN AGAIN Christian lose [his salvation] or depart from the faith.

The term born again (or more correctly born from above) means that the subject was chosen to be adopted into God's family by none other than God the Father. "God chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace." (Eph 1:4-7) It was God's idea (His will) to save us, not ours.

John 10:28-30 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” So no, a born from above Christian cannot lose his salvation or depart from the faith. Now a "notional Christian" can because he has a notion that he is a Christian. According to Barna Research only about 10% of all who profess to be a Christian are a Christian from a biblical perspective.

 

[messianist]

That scripture states he loved the cosmos, there is no mention that he loved all the people.

 

[Butch5]

John 3:16, the most universally "known" bible verse ever created...(probably), actually teaches OSAS, and is in fact OSAS.
They are the same.
God's Grace is OSAS
John 3:16 is OSAS

Let me show you.
Lets study this together.

So....once again, let me define OSAS, so that you understand it properly, as there are many liars let loose in the world who have created a false misunderstanding about this term, and so, you need to know what it really means. The Truth.
Here is what it really means...
OSAS really means... What saved you.......keeps you saved.
We are KEPT saved by What saved Us.
= We are saved by JESUS, and we are Kept saved by Jesus. Philippians 1:6
Hebrews 12:2
OSAS means, that the Blood of Jesus, that saved us, keeps us saved.
Thats it.
Thats what it means.

And here is John 3:16 that explains it as i have just defined it.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world......that HE GAVE His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES IN JESUS, would not PERISH, but HAS eternal-everylasting life."

This verse is one of the ways the NT defines OSAS, and there are many many others.

So, lets look at this scripture, in LIGHT of OSAS that means....>"we are saved by Jesus and we are KEPT SAVED by Jesus. = OSAS

Now, im going to drill down into this verse a little bit for you, so that you can get the wide perspective of it, in case you are a preacher, teacher, .... or maybe you want to do a Sunday School lesson on this verse, at some point. Therefore, (as always) i'll rightly divide it for you, using in context NT verses that support it.

John 3:16........."For God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son.

So, how did God give Him?.......God gave Jesus THE Christ, as a virgin born male, who is the "2nd Adam" who does not literally have an earthly father, which means Jesus is not born with a fallen Adamic (sin nature). Jesus's spiritual nature, is God, because Jesus is God.
So then..
He lives a sinless life, and goes to the Cross and dies there..... bearing our Sin. (God so LOVED the world) the verse says and this is why and to whom Jesus was sacrified ...... And once this is accomplished...(Cross = Salvation), then Jesus says from the Cross...>"it is finished". And that is correct. Salvation, The Blood Atonement is now a completed OFFERING, to the WORLD, to all who would come.... Its a finished Salvation that is waiting to be given for free, ALL THE TIME, EVERYDAY, to anyone who will by FAITH "believe on the name of Jesus, and you shall be SAVED".

Then.....and here comes OSAS.. you read in the verse that the born again who have obeyed this verse, (BELIEVED) will never "PERISH".....so, that is explained in John 10:28 were Jesus says you will never "perish", (can't go to hell, can't be damned)(eternal security)... and the born again are also GIVEN .. (you dont earn it) "Eternal Life".
Listen Saint...
Eternal life IS not a time frame.. ok? This phrase does not mean..."infinity and forever"..but rather, this is the POWER OF JESUS created concept that refers to living with Him and God, in the family of God, as the Body Of Christ, in ETERNITY.
"Eternal life", is Jesus Himself, who IS the "resurrection and the LIFE".....
See that "life"...... THAT is eternal Life.......and here it is again...... John 14:6... Jesus saying....."i am The Way, The Truth, and THE LIFE"......and there it is again.
Jesus is talking not about a time frame, but He is talking about HIMSELF< who IS Eternal Life... John 11:25 .. So,= this is OSAS......the fact that if you have Jesus..."Christ in you", and you are "in Christ", then because JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE< then you have it right now, because you have HIM right now, and He has YOU right now
= OSAS.
Your Eternal Life, does not start after you are DEAD...... You have it NOW.
You, the born again, are translated from darkness to Light.....right now.
Jesus is the Light of the World and you are Children of the Light.....right NOW.
Or as John says in 1 John 5:13 "i write these words so that you will KNOW".
Know what?
What does John want you to KNOW? ? ?
That if you have BELIEVED on CHRIST, then you have ETERNAL LIFE.
HAVE IT.........not waiting for it....but HAVE IT, = right now.
So, see how ALL that fits like a glove with John 3:16 ?

This is the interesting thing about OSAS.....This understanding, is all over the NT.
The NT is filled with verses that speak about how Jesus saves you and keeps you saved.
Paul will tell you. John just told you, and in fact the entire NT is the Blood of Jesus being written to you as a revelation of God, and how He saved you using a Cross and KEEPS YOU Saved with the Blood of Christ that was shed for you.
= OSAS.

blessings,

<dw><

The Bible doesn't teach OSAS. It's read into the Bible by people wrongly understanding the text they're reading

 

[DeepWater]

The Bible doesn't teach OSAS. It's read into the Bible by people wrongly understanding the text they're reading

Grace : is John 3:16.
Grace : is OSAS
Grace : is Jesus dying on a Cross, so that God can offer the finished work of Jesus as the ONLY means whereby we are allowed to be a part of God's eternal family, for eternity. This is OSAS
This is Grace.
OSAS is : "Justification by Faith", without works, without works, without works, without works, without works, without WORKS.....................>. !
OSAS is : Philippians 1:6
OSAS is : giving Christ full credit for saving us and keeping us saved.
OSAS : is the exact opposite of Legalism.

 

[Butch5]

Grace : is John 3:16.
Grace : is OSAS
Grace : is Jesus dying on a Cross, so that God can offer the finished work of Jesus as the ONLY means whereby we are allowed to be a part of God's eternal family, for eternity. This is OSAS
This is Grace.
OSAS is : "Justification by Faith", without works, without works, without works, without works, without works, without WORKS.....................>. !
OSAS is : Philippians 1:6
OSAS is : giving Christ full credit for saving us and keeping us saved.
OSAS : is the exact opposite of Legalism.

The Bible doesn't teach OSAS. It's read into the Bible by people wrongly understanding the text they're reading

 

[John0987]

Is it effortless to accept the Mercy of God?

That scripture states he loved the cosmos, there is no mention that he loved all the people.

Humanity is part of the created Cosmos just as everything else.

 

[truefiction1]

G"Justification by Faith", without works, without works, without works, without works, without works, without WORKS.....................>. !

Ephesians 2:10
So no... not without works. There was always going to be good WORKS. Without them, there's no faith but the dead faith of the demons, who also believe, and tremble.

What do we have against good works, if it was foreordained before the foundation of the world that we would walk in them and live by them?

 

[bcbsr]

Problem with OSAS? Hitler. Hitler was a catholic, thus Hitler went to heaven according to OSAS right?

What makes you think Hitler was "Once Saved"? I see nothing in the OP which even proposes that Hitler was once saved, nor even the idea that being merely baptized as a Catholic saves a person. Seems what you see as "The Problem" with OSAS has no actual basis and thus is merely your own fantasy.

 

[RDKirk]

What makes you think Hitler was "Once Saved"? I see nothing in the OP which even proposes that Hitler was once saved, nor even the idea that being merely baptized as a Catholic saves a person. Seems what you see as "The Problem" with OSAS has no actual basis and thus is merely your own fantasy.

Inasmuch as Catholics don't believe in OSAS, they would not argue that Hitler was saved by baptism either.

 

[Shimokita]

According to Barna Research only about 10% of all who profess to be a Christian are a Christian from a biblical perspective.

Let me guess, you are among the 10 percent?

 

[TheSeabass]

John 3:16 KJV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The verb 'beleiveth' in the Greek is a present tense verb showing the action is ongoing, sustained.

The verb phrase 'should not perish" in the Greek is in the subjunctive mood. According to Strong's the subjunctive mood " ......is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."

The meaning of the verse is one may or may not perish depending on the circumstance if one maintains a present tense belief. If one keeps believing he should not perish yet if one quits believing then he should perish. To avoid these grammatical facts, the NIV perverted John 3:16 by changing the subjunctive mood "should not perish" to indicative mood "shall not perish". (Same in John 6:40)

 

[witness12]

John 3:16, the most universally "known" bible verse ever created...(probably), actually teaches OSAS, and is in fact OSAS.
They are the same.
God's Grace is OSAS
John 3:16 is OSAS

Let me show you.
Lets study this together.

So....once again, let me define OSAS, so that you understand it properly, as there are many liars let loose in the world who have created a false misunderstanding about this term, and so, you need to know what it really means. The Truth.
Here is what it really means...
OSAS really means... What saved you.......keeps you saved.
We are KEPT saved by What saved Us.
= We are saved by JESUS, and we are Kept saved by Jesus. Philippians 1:6
Hebrews 12:2
OSAS means, that the Blood of Jesus, that saved us, keeps us saved.
Thats it.
Thats what it means.

And here is John 3:16 that explains it as i have just defined it.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world......that HE GAVE His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES IN JESUS, would not PERISH, but HAS eternal-everylasting life."

This verse is one of the ways the NT defines OSAS, and there are many many others.

So, lets look at this scripture, in LIGHT of OSAS that means....>"we are saved by Jesus and we are KEPT SAVED by Jesus. = OSAS

Now, im going to drill down into this verse a little bit for you, so that you can get the wide perspective of it, in case you are a preacher, teacher, .... or maybe you want to do a Sunday School lesson on this verse, at some point. Therefore, (as always) i'll rightly divide it for you, using in context NT verses that support it.

John 3:16........."For God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son.

So, how did God give Him?.......God gave Jesus THE Christ, as a virgin born male, who is the "2nd Adam" who does not literally have an earthly father, which means Jesus is not born with a fallen Adamic (sin nature). Jesus's spiritual nature, is God, because Jesus is God.
So then..
He lives a sinless life, and goes to the Cross and dies there..... bearing our Sin. (God so LOVED the world) the verse says and this is why and to whom Jesus was sacrified ...... And once this is accomplished...(Cross = Salvation), then Jesus says from the Cross...>"it is finished". And that is correct. Salvation, The Blood Atonement is now a completed OFFERING, to the WORLD, to all who would come.... Its a finished Salvation that is waiting to be given for free, ALL THE TIME, EVERYDAY, to anyone who will by FAITH "believe on the name of Jesus, and you shall be SAVED".

Then.....and here comes OSAS.. you read in the verse that the born again who have obeyed this verse, (BELIEVED) will never "PERISH".....so, that is explained in John 10:28 were Jesus says you will never "perish", (can't go to hell, can't be damned)(eternal security)... and the born again are also GIVEN .. (you dont earn it) "Eternal Life".
Listen Saint...
Eternal life IS not a time frame.. ok? This phrase does not mean..."infinity and forever"..but rather, this is the POWER OF JESUS created concept that refers to living with Him and God, in the family of God, as the Body Of Christ, in ETERNITY.
"Eternal life", is Jesus Himself, who IS the "resurrection and the LIFE".....
See that "life"...... THAT is eternal Life.......and here it is again...... John 14:6... Jesus saying....."i am The Way, The Truth, and THE LIFE"......and there it is again.
Jesus is talking not about a time frame, but He is talking about HIMSELF< who IS Eternal Life... John 11:25 .. So,= this is OSAS......the fact that if you have Jesus..."Christ in you", and you are "in Christ", then because JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE< then you have it right now, because you have HIM right now, and He has YOU right now
= OSAS.
Your Eternal Life, does not start after you are DEAD...... You have it NOW.
You, the born again, are translated from darkness to Light.....right now.
Jesus is the Light of the World and you are Children of the Light.....right NOW.
Or as John says in 1 John 5:13 "i write these words so that you will KNOW".
Know what?
What does John want you to KNOW? ? ?
That if you have BELIEVED on CHRIST, then you have ETERNAL LIFE.
HAVE IT.........not waiting for it....but HAVE IT, = right now.
So, see how ALL that fits like a glove with John 3:16 ?

This is the interesting thing about OSAS.....This understanding, is all over the NT.
The NT is filled with verses that speak about how Jesus saves you and keeps you saved.
Paul will tell you. John just told you, and in fact the entire NT is the Blood of Jesus being written to you as a revelation of God, and how He saved you using a Cross and KEEPS YOU Saved with the Blood of Christ that was shed for you.
= OSAS.

blessings,

<dw><

I don’t know where to begin, and I don’t feel I’m one to teach, so I would caution you my brother that you seek God who is Spirit and not rely on your own wisdom from below. You can easily lead others astray. God’s grace will cover you if you repent and obey Him.