Don't move on too fast.The kingdom representative was taken from the unfaithful Old Testament Congregation .... so that the New Testament Congregation will have the opportunity to produce more fruit, especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ!
Just saving this in order to get back to it later.The kingdom representative was taken from the unfaithful Old Testament Congregation so that the New Testament Congregation will have the opportunity to produce more fruit, especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ! However, Christ warned that the New Testament congregation, in the end, will have the rise of false prophets and christs that will bring her into apostasy and desolate just like the Jews of Old in days of Christ. That is what Christ's Olivet Discourse and Revelation was about - the fall of the New Testament congregation. Of course, only if one has a spiritual understanding of what Christ is saying. That is why Christ said, "whoso readeth, let him understand." It is not understanding by carnal or superficial reading the verse based on history book or current news but with the spirit of Christ.
The truth is - what I don't "get" is your interpretation.
Don't move on too fast.
And who is this kingdom rep that was taken that you're referring to? Jesus? But then you mention "especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
**I just want to make sure I'm following YOU here and that we're tracking on the same line of thought.
I'd prefer if you'd first finish with your FIRST explanation you were working on, if you don't mind.Indeed, blindness. Allow me explain:
Don't move on too fast.
And who is this kingdom rep that was taken that you're referring to? Jesus? But then you mention "especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
**I just want to make sure I'm following YOU here and that we're tracking on the same line of thought.
That's not going to help me one bit in understanding what YOUR posts say. YOU are the author of YOUR own posts and that's - maybe foolishly - what I'm trying to decipher (your words).Try to read Scripture sometime, will you?
...... YOU are sliding over to the other extreme and ignoring what God had done with the "shadows" and the physical reality (and timing).These Jews, LIKE YOU, could only see the temporal building, when Christ was speaking about something infinitely more important.
TS said:The kingdom representative was taken from the unfaithful Old Testament Congregation .... so that the New Testament Congregation will have the opportunity to produce more fruit, especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ!
I don't need Scripture. I already know what I believe - I'm interested in YOU backing up, in your own words, what you are suggesting here. This is YOUR interpretation....and only YOU can explain it. Go ahead......teach.....enlighten us unenlightened ones. Who is this kingdom rep that was taken from the OT congregation?And who is this kingdom rep that was taken that you're referring to? Jesus? But then you mention "especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
I don't need Scripture. I already know what I believe - I'm interested in YOU backing up, in your own words, what you are suggesting here. This is YOUR interpretation....and only YOU can explain it. Go ahead......teach.....enlighten us unenlightened ones.
Matthew 21:38-44 KJV
[38] But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
[39] And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
[40] When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
[41] They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Who did you think took the kingdom from the Jews, His builders? Humm?
Agreed. But that's not what I'm trying to understand right now. You seem to be avoiding the question. I've said a few times now - I know what I believe. It's YOUR interpretation that is the question.It is supposed to be your authority, agreed?
TribulationSigns said:The kingdom representative was taken from the unfaithful Old Testament Congregation ....so that the New Testament Congregation will have the opportunity to produce more fruit, especially when it has the revelation of Jesus Christ!
Whether or not you realize it - everyone interprets Scripture in some way.I did not interpret it
Agreed. But that's not what I'm trying to understand right now. You seem to be avoiding the question. I've said a few times now - I know what I believe. It's YOUR interpretation that is the question.
I quoted that the old testament congregation fell and in three days, Christ rebuilt it with New Testament congregation's inception on Pentecost
There is the only TRUE kingdom in Heaven that is made up of ALL True Elect from the Old and New Testament. Okay?
mkgal said:Agreed. But that's not what I'm trying to understand right now. You seem to be avoiding the question. I've said a few times now - I know what I believe. It's YOUR interpretation that is the question.
Try to read Scripture sometime, will you?
Matthew 21:38-44 KJV
[38] But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
[39] And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
[40] When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
[41] They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
mkgal said:Agreed. But that's not what I'm trying to understand right now. You seem to be avoiding the question. I've said a few times now - I know what I believe. It's YOUR interpretation that is the question.
Cop out.
I have answered your silly questions with Scripture and rationally explained it. You offered "ZERO."
You asked me who took the kingdom representative from the Jews which I did quote you with Matthew 21:38-44, Word to Word, and asked you who did you think it was which you refuse to comply with an answer before trying to blame "the question" on my "interpretation." Obviously a cop out.
My "silly questions" are merely being asked to clarify what YOU are saying.I have answered your silly questions
That sure seems like the pot calling the kettle black. You first asserted your interpretation. Answering MY question with a question is a cop out (in my opinion).
I asked a simple and straight forward question. WHO is the kingdom rep that was taken from the Old Testament congregation (and YOU included believers as well in that congregation) ? In light of YOU saying that there is ONE true kingdom - old and new testament believers. Why would God remove the OT BELIEVERS away from His kingdom (or remove Himself - turn HIs back on - the OT faithful believers)?
Okay - so the OT chief priests and Pharisees were removed as God's representatives. Is that what you're asserting?And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Who thought Christ talked about them? Come on!
I agree.Note the past tense! We reign with Christ in this kingdom by bringing the Gospel to the world THROUGH the church which is a visible kingdom on Earth! Selah!
Okay - so the OT chief priests and Pharisees were removed as God's representatives. Is that what you're asserting?
I thought the verse mentioned in John 11 should be looked at more closely, especially since the word "Roman/s" is used in only this 1 verse of the Gospels, John 11:48.
Discuss.................
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