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Featured John 11:48 "....shall come the Romans and take away of us, place and nation"

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Oh good grief.
    Yes, Jesus was talking about His body. We know that........There was still the other Temple standing.........

    We are talking about AFTER the Cross, when He resurrected and ascended.
    The Parousia and destruction of the OC Mosaic Temple/Priesthood couldn't take place till after His crucifixion, resurrection, ascension. Pentecost and the preaching of Paul and the Apostles to the Jews and Gentiles!
    That is Bible 101.....

    Read James 5:8 very slowly and carefully, because Jesus spent a lot of time telling the Apostles about His parousia in conjunction with the destruction of the 1st century Temple in 70ad.

    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
    when shall these be being?
    and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?
    James 5:8
    be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

    Mark 13:4
    and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.

    Luke 21
    7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher! when then shall these be being?
    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?
     
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  2. LittleLambofJesus

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    Agree........
    He is the one that doesn't get it......
    I just happen to have a thread on that:

    John 2:21 "46 yrs to build and Thou raise/build it in 3 days"

     
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  3. mkgal1

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    Exactly
    And nestled in the passage quoted from the gospel of John was this verse (which is a reference to Psalm 69:9):

    John 2:17 ~ Then his disciples remembered this prophecy from the Scriptures: “Passion for God’s house will consume me.”

    ....
    that's clearly not a reference to Jesus, but the actual stone structure - the Temple built by Herod.
     
  4. TribulationSigns

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    Oh good grief!

    No Jesus did not talk about His physical body. He was talking about the temple of his body. Do you even know what is the temple of his body means? It is the temple which his body represents! Just like we are in his body because we are his New Testament temple! Wow! Therefore, it was the Jews that were in His body because they were his Old Testament temple that did fall! Selah!

    [/quote]We are talking about AFTER the Cross, when He resurrected and ascended.[/quote]

    No, you were not listening to the Word of God:

    John 2:19 KJV
    [19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    Jesus did not say anything about rebuilt "after" 3 days. He rebuilt it in three days after the temple being destroyed when He was cut off. It was not about a physical temple. It is his congregation that his body represented, just like we are today!

     
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  5. LittleLambofJesus

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    Now back to the topic of the thread......

    This became fulfilled in 70ad.........

    John 11:48
    "If ever we may be letting Him thus, all shall be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away<142> of Us, and the Place and the Nation."

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

    Matthew 24:1
    And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

    Mark 13:1
    And He going forth out of the Temple,
    one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings

    Luke 21:5
    and of some saying concerning the Temple,
    that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>

    Menorah arch of titus.jpg
     
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  6. TribulationSigns

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    What?! It was NOT physical stones that God was grief against! It was against his People!

    John 2:13-22 KJV
    [13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
    [14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    [15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    [16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
    [17] And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

    It is people who are doing unlawful in God's House.
    It is people who made money and take advantage of the poor in God's House.
    It is people who have made God's House a house of merchandise.
    It is His people whom God has scoure them out of the temple.

    Not physical stones because these cannot do these! It is His people that He pours His wrath upon. Not upon some physical stones of the building! Stones can't speak. Stones can't hear. Christ did not kick the physical stones out of the temple. It is PEOPLE, his congregation who did the wrong thing.

    Do you not realize that God made this as an old testament example for the judgment of the NEW Testament congregation too? The oxen and sheep are a type of merchandises of the Gospel while the doves represent the Holy Spirit where the false prophets and Christs are trying to sell and make a profit off with their false doctrines the mimics the True in His congregation? Guess you didn't notice it.
     
  7. TribulationSigns

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    The Lord Judges who have correct testimony.
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

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    Good verses!

    Nahum 3:2
    A sound of a Whip, and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear,
    and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies

    Hey lookie here! The same animals shown in Revelation 18:11 concerning the physical Temple in Jerusalem! Oh the wonder of His word......

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

    Revelation 18:11
    And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still 13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain
    and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

    Revelation 19
    17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven,
    "hither! be ye being gathered<4863>! into the Supper<1173> of the Great God. 18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
     
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  9. mkgal1

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    That is your presumption that you're trying to cram Scripture into....but that is not what's going on there (neither of those options).
     
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    If that is what you think. Then the Lord of the vineyard will judges whose testimony is accurate.
     
  11. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    His judgment is dependent upon what I think (if/then)? That's another interesting theory.
     
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    I did not say that. The Lord is the Word Himself, He shall judge which of our testimony is solely based on His Word.
     
  13. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    I don't believe Jesus was grieved *against* anything - instead, I believe He was grieved FOR those that were STILL - after all these years - turning towards other gods to "save them" (like power/their own strategic choices/the religious system.....etc). But - I ALSO see that He is gracious and slow to anger....not wishing any to perish. What were Jesus' words on the cross? "Father, forgive them....they know not what they do".

    Going all the way back to the first Temple built by Solomon - Solomon's prayer included these words:

    “O LORD, you have said that you would live in a thick cloud of darkness. 13 Now I have built a glorious Temple for you, a place where you can live forever!d” ~ 1 Kings 8:12-13

    .....and it seems to me that the Temple was David's idea that God allowed, because it was what humanity understood (just as God allowed the Israelites to have a king, just as others had). But....it wasn't meant to be part of His eternal plan - the human kings and physical temple, along with the entire religious system of Levitical priests/animal sacrifices/etc was all shadows pointing to Jesus. It did have its necessary time and fit into God's greater plan. And Solomon seemed to have understood that God can't be contained as other gods were limited in their physical realm when he prayed:

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    But will God really live on earth? Why, even the highest heavens cannot contain you. How much less this Temple I have built! 28Nevertheless, listen to my prayer and my plea, O LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is making to you today. 29May you watch over this Temple night and day, this place where you have said, ‘My name will be there.’ May you always hear the prayers I make toward this place.30May you hear the humble and earnest requests from me and your people Israel when we pray toward this place. Yes, hear us from heaven where you live, and when you hear, forgive. ~ 1 Kings 8:27

    ....Solomon also seemed to understand that God desired that ALL seek Him and worship Him when he prayed this:

    In the future, foreigners who do not belong to your people Israel will hear of you. They will come from distant lands because of your name, 42for they will hear of your great name and your strong hand and your powerful arm. And when they pray toward this Temple, 43then hear from heaven where you live, and grant what they ask of you. In this way,
    all the people of the earth will come to know and fear you, just as your own people Israel do. They, too, will know that this Temple I have built honors your name. ~ 1 Kings 8:41-43

    .....but how long did that Temple honor God's name?

    In 1 Kings 11 we read:

    1
    King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women along with the daughter of Pharaoh—women of Moab, Ammon, Edom, and Sidon, as well as Hittite women. 2These women were from the nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, “You must not intermarry with them, for surely they will turn your hearts after their gods.” Yet Solomon clung to these women in love. 3He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines—and his wives turned his heart away.

    4For when Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and he was not wholeheartedly devoted to the LORD his God, as his father David had been. 5Solomon followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and Molecha the abomination of the Ammonites. 6So Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD—and unlike his father David, he did not follow the LORD completely.

    7At that time on a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites. 8He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.

    God's Anger Against Solomon

    9Now the LORD grew angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. 10Although He had warned Solomon explicitly not to follow other gods, Solomon did not observe what the LORD had commanded.

    11Then the LORD said to Solomon, “Because you have done this and have not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I have commanded you, I will tear the kingdom away from you and give it to your servant.12Nevertheless, for the sake of your father David, I will not do it during your lifetime; I will tear it out of the hand of your son. 13Yet I will not tear the whole kingdom away from him. I will give one tribe to your son for the sake of My servant David and for the sake of Jerusalem, which I have chosen.” ~
    1 Kings 11:1-13


    I'm of the belief that God has perfect timing - and the key grievance the Lord had with the system of allowing the Levitical priests and the Temple represent God to ALL nations is that the system was only good enough to point TO Christ - and once Jesus was able to fulfill all that was shadowed - there was no need for the system. BUT......He was gracious in allowing for a generation of change - the forty year period between His death and the Day of the Lord.



    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+56:7,Jeremiah+7:11,Matthew+21:13,Mark+11:17&version=NRSV
     
  14. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    Quoting N.T. Wright------->"The New Testament (NT), however, assumes its readers not only to be familiar with the OT, but also to depend upon it. Second Timothy 3:16-17 reads, ‘All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.’ The word ‘scripture’ (Greek: graphē) primarily refers to the Jewish Scriptures. Christians need to be familiar with the OT in order to understand much of the NT, particularly to appreciate the person and work of Jesus Christ. While there isn’t space here to discuss all of the ways we might relate the OT to the NT, we will look briefly at how OT prophecy relates to Jesus.

    The OT Story Finds its Climax in Jesus
    The writer of Hebrews deliberately connects Jesus to the OT:

    ‘Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds’ (Heb 1:1-2).

    These verses point out that God spoke to the Jewish people through the prophets, and we can presume that most—if not all—of those oracles had meaning to those who first heard the messages. Yet, as we continue to read through Hebrews, we can see that the author understands that in light of the person and ministry of Jesus, the Old Testament has meaning even beyond its original setting. New Testament scholar David deSilva observes, ‘Since Jesus is the self-expression of the Father that brings together all God’s former partial revelations (Heb 1:1-2), the author uses Jesus as a reference point from which these older oracles take their meaning.’........"



    OT Prophecy Points to the Second Coming of Jesus

    In several places in the Pauline corpus we can find the phrase ‘Day of the Lord’ (e.g., 1Cor. 5:5; 1Th. 5:2; 2Th. 2:2), or ‘the day of Jesus Christ,’ (e.g., 1 Cor 1:8; 2 Cor 1:14; Phil 1:6, 10). Other NT writers do similarly (e.g., Heb 10:25; 2 Pet 3:10). The ‘Day of the Lord’ is a popular expression found in the Hebrew Bible.

    The oracles of some prophets focus almost exclusively on the Day of the Lord (e.g., Joel, Obadiah). The Day of the Lord is in essence a time when God intervenes more definitively and clearly in human affairs in order to exercise judgment. This judgment means punishment for the enemies of God, but vindication for the people of God.

    Much more could be said about the Day of the Lord, but my main point here is that NT writers saw a connection between the OT prophecies of the Day of the Lord , the parousia, or second coming of Christ
    ~
    https://ntwrightonline.org/three-ways-old-testament-theology-points-to-jesus/
    *********************************

    I just wanted to add that believing that the Day of the Lord has been fulfilled - does NOT mean that I don't believe that Jesus will RETURN again. I do - just as is recited in the Nicene Creed.....but, as the Orthodox believe, He HAS defeated His last enemy (death) and has vindicated the people of God.

    I love the lyrics of this song by Kari Jobe:


    The moon and stars they wept​
    The morning sun was dead
    The Savior of the world was fallen
    His body on the cross
    His blood poured out for us
    The weight of every curse upon him

    One final breath He gave
    As Heaven looked away
    The Son of God was laid in darkness
    A battle in the grave
    The war on death was waged
    The power of hell forever broken


    The ground began to shake
    The stone was rolled away
    His perfect love could not be overcome
    Now death where is your sting
    Our resurrected King has rendered you defeated


    Forever, He is glorified
    Forever, He is lifted high
    Forever, He is risen
    He is alive
    He is alive

    The ground began to shake
    The stone was rolled away
    His perfect love could not be overcome
    Now death where is your sting
    Our resurrected King has rendered you defeated ~ Kari Jobe

    If you believe that's heretical - it's exactly what the message is of the Gospel ---->The Resurrection | Icon of Victory

     
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  15. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Good grief....no one is denying that TS!

    Jer 4:11
    At that time it will be said To this people and to Jerusalem,
    “A dry wind of the desolate heights blows in the wilderness Toward the daughter of My people— Not to fan or to cleanse—

    Matthew 3:7
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
    “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?
    Luke 3:7
    Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers! Who warned ye to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?
    Luke 21:23
    “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath<ὀργὴ <3709> upon this people.

    Act 28:17
    And it came to pass after three days that Paul called the leaders of the Jews together. So when they had come together, he said to them:
    “Men and brethren, though I have done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans,

    Revelation 6:
    16 and they say to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
    17 “For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
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    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon


    "inhabitants jerusalem"
    occurs 280 times in 52 verses in the NKJV, including 45 exact phrases shown first.
    Page 1 / 2
    exact matches (Jos 15:63–Zec 13:1) inexact matches (Jos 10:1–Jer 23:14)

    Isa 5:3
    “And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,

    Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
    Isa 8:14
    He will be as a sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense
    To both the houses of Israel, As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    Isa 22:21
    I will clothe him with your robe And strengthen him with your belt;
    I will commit your responsibility into his hand. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem And to the house of Judah.
    Jer 4:4
    Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, And take away the foreskins of your hearts,
    You men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Lest My fury come forth like fire,
    And burn so that no one can quench it, Because of the evil of your doings.”
    Jer 8:1
    “At that time,” says the LORD, “they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of its princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves.
    Jer 11:
    2
    “Hear the words of this covenant, and speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
    9 And the LORD said to me, “A conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    Jer 11:12
    “Then the cities of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will go and cry out to the gods to whom they offer incense, but they will not save them at all in the time of their trouble.
    Jer 13:13
    “Then you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD: “Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land—even the kings who sit on David's throne, the priests, the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem—with drunkenness!
    Jer 17:
    20
    “and say to them, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, you kings of Judah, and all Judah, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, who enter by these gates.
    25 “then shall enter the gates of this city kings and princes sitting on the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they and their princes, accompanied by the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and this city shall remain forever.
    Jer 18:11
    “Now therefore, speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD: “Behold, I am fashioning a disaster and devising a plan against you. Return now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.” ' ”
    Jer 19:3
    “and say, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem. Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Behold, I will bring such a catastrophe on this place, that whoever hears of it, his ears will tingle.
    Jer 25:2
    which Jeremiah the prophet spoke to all the people of Judah and to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying:
    Jer 32:32
    ‘because of all the evil of the children of Israel and the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke Me to anger—they, their kings, their princes, their priests, their prophets, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    Jer 35:
    13
    “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, “Will you not receive instruction to obey My words?” says the LORD.
    17 “Therefore thus says the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will bring on Judah and on all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the doom that I have pronounced against them; because I have spoken to them but they have not heard, and I have called to them but they have not answered.' ”
    Jer 36:31
    “I will punish him, his family, and his servants for their iniquity; and I will bring on them, on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and on the men of Judah all the doom that I have pronounced against them; but they did not heed.” ' ”
    Jer 42:18
    “For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘As My anger and My fury have been poured out on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so will My fury be poured out on you when you enter Egypt. And you shall be an oath, an astonishment, a curse, and a reproach; and you shall see this place no more.'
    Eze 11:15
    “Son of man, your brethren, your relatives, your countrymen, and all the house of Israel in its entirety, are those about whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, ‘Get far away from the LORD; this land has been given to us as a possession.'
    Eze 12:19
    “And say to the people of the land, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the land of Israel: “They shall eat their bread with anxiety, and drink their water with dread, so that her land may be emptied of all who are in it, because of the violence of all those who dwell in it.
    Eze 15:6
    “Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Like the wood of the vine among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so I will give up the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
    Dan 9:7
    “O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.
    Zep 1:4
    “I will stretch out My hand against Judah, And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    I will cut off every trace of Baal from this place, The names of the idolatrous priests[fn] with the pagan priests—
    Zec 12:
    5
    “And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the LORD of hosts, their God.'
    7 “The LORD will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.
    8 “In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them.
    10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
    Zec 13:1
    “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
     
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    I actually DO have a bit of a problem with the way that's worded, though.

    Jesus wasn't ANGRY against "His people" - He was grieved FOR them. And, even then, we have to distinguish who He was saddened for - and who were "saved". We wouldn't be calling ourselves followers of Christ if it weren't for the faithful Jewish believers (earlier in this thread, TS laughed and scoffed at that). I have a big problem with people making the claim that the Kingdom was taken from the Jewish people as a whole - and given to the "Christians". That's not true - and that belief is what incites the violence we've seen against innocent people that are praying in their synagogues across the world today.

    In Jesus' lament over Jerusalem, it's recorded that He said (after all the "woes" to the scribes and Pharisees):

    Matthew 23:34-37 ~ "Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

    Lament over Jerusalem
    (Luke 13:31-35)

    37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. "


     
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    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    I love this passage - because it shows that He still poured out grace (and that grace was accepted):

    Acts 2 ~
    5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6And when this sound rang out, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking his own language.​

    7Astounded and amazed, they asked, “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8How is it then that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes, and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,a 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and converts to Judaism; Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

    12Astounded and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?

    Acts 2:36-41 ~
    36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

    Three Thousand Believe

    37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and to your children and to all who are far off, to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

    40With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
     
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  18. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Good post. The common 1st century Jews suffered just as much as the corrupt Judean rulers/shepherds in the 70ad holocaust. That is sometimes difficult for me to comprehend and understand and why the Jews of today should know that Jesus finished it for them.

    Eze 34:
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    As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became food to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
    12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
    23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

    Matthew 9:36
    But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them,
    because they were weary/harassed, and scattered like sheep having no shepherd<4166>

    John 10:
    2 “But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
    11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.
    16 “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one Shepherd<4167>.

    1 Peter 5:4
    and when the Chief-Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
    Hebrews 13:20
    Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead,
    that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

    Revelation 7:17
    “for the Lambkin who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
     
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  19. mkgal1

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    .......but the good news is that some listened to Jesus - and understood what He meant, when it really mattered, and heeded His warning when He said:

    Matthew 24:16 ~ "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

    Revelation 12:6 ~ “And the woman [Israel] fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she might be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.”

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