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I have another Joel Osteen sermon to analyze, but I would love to know how a person is getting knocked to their knees in an Osteen service. It surely wouldn't be from anything he said. Remember no sin, no repentance and no need for salvation are mentioned in his sermons. So what did the listener hear that caused that conviction?
Remember Is. Chapt. 6 . . . there was NO sermon . . . only the revelation of God's Holiness.

Same in an Osteen context. God may just reveal Himself . . . and the person repent.

Not to Joel's credit . . . but the context given for the encounter would have definitely been supplied by his ministry.

I have a friend who went to a Benny Hinn Crusade and was healed instantaneously from alcoholism . . . now he has graduated Bible College and serves God faithfully. In my estimation . . . Benny is a heretic of the highest caliber . . . but again the principle IS God generally uses people in spite of themselves . . . for WE ARE ALL SINNERS.
 
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It requires a very vague personal responsibility, and people don't want to accept the responsibility for their actions. They want to think it is "outside forces" that make them what they are, and while their parents, teachers, coaches and mentors have had a lot to do with forming them in many different wants, none of those people make us do anything. We are responsible for how we feel, how we think, how we talk, how we act. No one wants to hear that message, or particularly the consequences of those behaviors. Osteen makes it possible to chew on "a little bit of the gospel" without really having to hear the truth about ourselves, and about God.I don't know what Washer said because I haven't heard his sermon, but that passage talks about the "narrow path" being made narrow by the obstacles we put in place between us and God. That is the meaning behind the Greek text. It isn't that narrow until we start putting "idols" in the way that make it difficult to navigate the path. Kind of like your garage. LOLEven having said what I did about personal responsibility, there are those who are too new to the faith, or are still seeking, to know the truth from the lies, and Osteen doesn't hit on the truth forcefully enough or often enough for them to get the gospel bare and unadulterated. Remember, teachers are held to a higher standard. They best be teaching what the Bible teaches, and what people need to hear.Predestination isn't a doctrine of "you're chosen and you're not." Predestination is defined in Romans 8:29, 30 -- "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." This passage must be read as the foundational passage for election and predestination throughout the rest of the New Testament. He "foreknew" all who would come to Him, but He did not limit who would come. Those He foreknew, He "predestined" (decreed, appointed, settled beforehand) to be conformed to His image. It has nothing to do with election, but is the result of coming to the Lord. "Election" is not as is taught by the "five-pointers" as being a limitation on who shall come, but rather is the acceptance of a true and righteous confession by God. Anyone can make that confession, there are no limitations. Teaching there are is to put God in a box. It is the Holy Spirit who draws, the Holy Spirit who puts the gospel in front of the "seeker" so anyone who claims to be preaching a gospel message has an awesome responsibility to "preach it right."
Yep . . . and add to it 1 Peter 1 which also couches God's election in His foreknowledge.
 
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You know who is Excellent in his teaching of the word of God , Charles Stanley! Now he gives "meat' and you will never go hungry in his church!:thumbsup:
You can catch him everyday on "His Channel" internet radio!
Me liketh Stanley . . . try CJ Mahaney!
 
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:amen: :amen:
Charles Stanley is phenomenal. Not only is teaching God's truth in Love and about God's love, he doesn't water down God's truth in order to do so.
He preaches on sin, condemnation and discipline IN LOVE - to me, he's the epitomy of how to preach the gospel message properly.

A very blessed man of God, God bless him richly. :hug:

Oh Girl you said a mouthful, Oh how I love that guy, he is so true blue,you can hear the love and sincerity in his message and I know the lord is very pleased with him. I listen to him every day and I get Blessed every time I hear him!

I wish everyone would listen!:clap: :clap:
 
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Yep . . . and add to it 1 Peter 1 which also couches God's election in His foreknowledge.
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Thanks bro, appreciate the feedback, and the additional input. Good passage.
 
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Joel Osteen will be on Fox News Channel Sunday at 6pm eastern time on Fox News Sunday discussing how faith figures in politics. To be interviewed by Chris Wallace. Should be interesting.
Assuming Joel actually knows something about faith, as opposed to "feel good" spirituality.
 
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Assuming Joel actually knows something about faith, as opposed to "feel good" spirituality.
Hey, Joel has strong faith! He's proved that by "hanging in there" for so long until God finally prospered him financially.
It took awhile, but his faith got him thru the deep valleys & dry patches.
 
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Goes to sowing and reaping, there is a time of planting and then watering and growth and finally a time of harvesting
Absolutely Bill, amen.

But then, God doesn't always use material blessing (wealth) to prosper each one of us. I can't help but think that we're geared more towards thinking this way (materialistically) due to our modern culture.?
I could be wrong.

peace :angel:
 
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Goes to sowing and reaping, there is a time of planting and then watering and growth and finally a time of harvesting
You are right Bill - John Osteen has worked very hard and is a dedicated servant of the Lord.

I don't understand why Osteen gets pounded so much - I've watched many of his programs and he mentions Jesus all the time.

We only see 30 min. of his church - they have program after program, prayer time after prayer time, wonderful things for young people to do.

I will never understand the mentality of people who just bash people to be bashing them. - Osteen brings thousands and thousands to the Lord.
 
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You are right Bill - John Osteen has worked very hard and is a dedicated servant of the Lord.

I don't understand why Osteen gets pounded so much - I've watched many of his programs and he mentions Jesus all the time.

We only see 30 min. of his church - they have program after program, prayer time after prayer time, wonderful things for young people to do.

I will never understand the mentality of people who just bash people to be bashing them. - Osteen brings thousands and thousands to the Lord.
Exactly right, why must we attack different parts of the body? We each have our cvalling and none is better or worde than another, we are to function together. I deal a lot with current events and prophecy while Joel deals with positive messages, they all come together. Hust because we are called to a certain area does not mean that the others are ignored, it just means that our annoinying is not necessarily in that area. We need to let the servants of God alone and concentrate on our own callings.
 
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I will never understand the mentality of people who just bash people to be bashing them. - Osteen brings thousands and thousands to the Lord.
I don't understand those types of people either... however what I've been offering isnt' "bashing" just to bash someone.

I base mine on his message and lack of teaching the full counsel of God... using a PC message that ignores many important aspects of truth God gives.

I know for a fact that just 2 friends of my husband's who are unsaved watch Joel Osteen becuz he's so "positive and loving"... then they go on to attack pastors like John Hagee & Greg Laurie & many others who preach the whole gospel which includes what sin is & to turn from it.

This couple was living together & felt comfortable listening to Joel Osteen but wouldn't go near the others who preached "negatively". This is why I say what I do.

Now what damage does that do in the bigger picture? They consider anyone "ungodly" who doesn't preach like Osteen; who's supportive & positive & doesn't "condemn". That doesn't lead people to repentance, it leads them AWAY from it as they find anyone not preaching like Osteen "self righteous bigots".

They feel "spiritual" without having Christ. As you go back & read this thread, people here haven't just bashed Osteen for the sake of negative attack (insinuating they're just enjoying it for fun) - people have ample reason and esp. after his interviews that lack the ability to admit truth about God to the world.

Can God use him? YES. But God can also use any evil and anyone to reach people; it doesn't make them annointed Shepherds who preach word of God.
 
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You are right Bill - John Osteen has worked very hard and is a dedicated servant of the Lord.

I don't understand why Osteen gets pounded so much - I've watched many of his programs and he mentions Jesus all the time.

We only see 30 min. of his church - they have program after program, prayer time after prayer time, wonderful things for young people to do.

I will never understand the mentality of people who just bash people to be bashing them. - Osteen brings thousands and thousands to the Lord.
There is no Gospel . . . that is the problem.

Just saying the name Jesus isn't much . . . Ghandi did that much.
 
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There is no Gospel . . . that is the problem.

Just saying the name Jesus isn't much . . . Ghandi did that much.
This raises a key point - what is the gospel? That Christ came to die for our SIN *:eek:*
SIN is in the gospel message. Christ came to lead us to repent and turn to Him instead. THat IS the gospel - he doesn't preach 1/2 of it becuz it's "negative".

I have every right and I believe, the DUTY to point this out as a Christian and why I take issue with his preaching.
He's better suited for motivational speaking than a Shepherd since he has so much trouble even admitting the entire gospel message when interviewed (which should be simple for a Shepherd/evangelist).
 
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He's better suited for motivational speaking than a Shepherd since he has so much trouble even admitting the entire gospel message when interviewed (which should be simple for a Shepherd/evangelist).
You just hit the nail on the head. The differene between Joel and, for example, Zig Zigler. is that Zig is a motivational speaker who is unabashedly Christian. Joel is a motivational speaker masquerading as an evangelist.

:doh:

Can't believe I didn't see that before!
 
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