Joe Six-Pack American?

[Braunwyn]

I predict that in a Palin-McCain administration, lots of alternative pronunciations will become acceptable. Whatever Sarah says and does will become acceptable. It will become acceptable once again to show favoritism in hiring and promotions to the less competent cute girl who winks and wiggles and "struts her stuff" in front of the bosses. I'm kinda glad because we need to get rid of all these unattractive, dull women in high places.

Thats good. I can tell my 8 year old granddaughter to stop wasting her time studying and trying to answer exam questions she doesn't know the answer to. All she has to do is watch Sarah Palin to learn the nuances of winking and wiggling and acting cute and then she can just tell her third grade teacher with a wiggle and a wink and a grin, "By golly, teach...can I call ya' teach? I'm not gonna answer these questions, but doggonit I'm gonna talk to my classmates instead, cuz I'm a MAV-RICK!" Based on the way America has turned, that should be enough for an "A".

The good news is, this will save a lot of parents money on expensive college tuition - but only if your daughter is "cute."

I can't wait, cause my granddaughter is verrrry cute.

This is probably one of the better arguments I've come across that shows that Palin is not a feminist.

Perhaps you'd like to demonstrate for us how ˈnyü-, ÷-kyə-lər would be pronounced then

The McCain campaign disagrees with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRWaoEw0uU

And dictionary.com disagrees with you as well. Click the phonetic sound icon and turn up your volume.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nuclear

 

[MachZer0]

The way it is pronounced. I did not know that the existence of the schwa was a secret. Your referenced pronunciation is nuk-ya-ler. I remember learning about the schwa in Elementary School, I thought the word was cool.

Yes, pronounced as you say, nukyaler. For those unaware, Ameican has diverse accents which produce different pronunciations of the same word. In this case, reality, and Websters, demonstrate a clear conservative bias in Palin's favor. What I find odd is that the same side of the aisle that tells us we can't correct ebonics will poke fun at Palin and her particular accent.

I do not think you did. Since Governor Palin said she was Joe Six-Pack

"Palin said if she and John McCain win, they will "put government back on the side of the people of Joe Six-pack like me.""

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,431161,00.html

It seems rather clear. Did you look up her comments to see context? If you have been arguing for the last 15 pages that Governor Palin represents Joe Six-Pack, but was not a member of Joe Six-Pack, you have done so incorrectly. I do not know how you missed her comments.

As I said, I'm sorry you missed it

 

[Braunwyn]

Yes, pronounced as you say, nukyaler. For those unaware, Ameican has diverse accents which produce different pronunciations of the same word. In this case, reality, and Websters, demonstrate a clear conservative bias in Palin's favor. What I find odd is that the same side of the aisle that tells us we can't correct ebonics will poke fun at Palin and her particular accent.

Yes that diversity can be seen between those that payed attention in class and those that did not.

 

[MachZer0]

This is probably one of the better arguments I've come across that shows that Palin is not a feminist.


The McCain campaign disagrees with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRWaoEw0uU

And dictionary.com disagrees with you as well. Click the phonetic sound icon and turn up your volume.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nuclearhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nuclear

You missed this at your link

nyoo- or, by metathesis, -kyuh-ler.

So that's two dictionaries on my side.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Does this mean that if somebody says, "Wartch," or "Warsh," they are automatically idiots?

How about on American Chopper, when the Teutels ALWAYS say, "Ideer" instead of "Idea"? Are they morons?

 

[reverend B]

while you folks waste your time talking about semantics, does anyone want to address my last post regarding what palin said, or did not say, about nuclear weapons? accents and pronunciations will not change the election or the way we are governed.

 

[Braunwyn]

You missed this at your link

nyoo- or, by metathesis, -kyuh-ler.

So that's two dictionaries on my side.

Metathesis in English
"Metathesis is one of the most common types of speech errors"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metathesis_(linguistics)

 

[MachZer0]

Metathesis in English
"Metathesis is one of the most common types of speech errors"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metathesis_(linguistics)

Here's the actual definition of metathesis, from Webster's

transposition of two phonemes in a word (as in the development of crud from curd or the pronunciation \\ˈpər-tē\\ for pretty)

Demonstrating once again that reality has a conservative bias

 

[MachZer0]

Does this mean that if somebody says, "Wartch," or "Warsh," they are automatically idiots?

How about on American Chopper, when the Teutels ALWAYS say, "Ideer" instead of "Idea"? Are they morons?

And what should we surmise about those Kennedys who like to have a gahden pahty

 

[Bill_monkey]

Here: ˈnyü-, ÷-kyə-lər



I'm saying one that her claim was to represent Joe Six Pack and that the term doesn't refer to what many of my left leaning friends here alluded

Even the Republican Party disagrees with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRWaoEw0uU

 

[MachZer0]

Even the Republican Party disagrees with you:

Regardless of what the Republican speech writers did to prevent Democrats from focusing on pronunciation, the dictionary and reality seem to favor me

 

[Braunwyn]

Here's the actual definition of metathesis, from Webster's

transposition of two phonemes in a word (as in the development of crud from curd or the pronunciation \\ˈpər-tē\\ for pretty)

Demonstrating once again that reality has a conservative bias

Indeed it is a switching of one sound or letter for another. It's an accepted error. Just as irregardless, despite it being redundant and ridiculous, has seeped its way into 'common' vernacular. Or is that vernaclear?

Regardless of what the Republican speech writers did to prevent Democrats from focusing on pronunciation, the dictionary and reality seem to favor me

Given that you don't seem to understand that metathesis in english linguistics is speech error of course you think that.

I could care less how she pronouces the word. It is odd though that she didn't take note with all the hoopla GW received over it.

 

[MachZer0]

Indeed it is a switching of one sound or letter for another. It's an accepted error. Just as irregardless, despite it being redundant and ridiculous, has seeped its way into 'common' vernacular. Or is that vernaclear?


Given that you don't seem to understand that metathesis in english linguistics is speech error of course you think that.

I could care less how she pronouces the word. It is odd though that she didn't take note with all the hoopla GW received over it.

Accepted of course being the keyword and "error" not appearing in the definition for metathsis

 

[OphidiaPhile]

The fact that she understands the phrase while others don't certainly demonstrates that she has a better grasp on vocabulary than some

All it means is she has memorized a partisan talking point and parrots it any chance she gets.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Does this mean that if somebody says, "Wartch," or "Warsh," they are automatically idiots?

How about on American Chopper, when the Teutels ALWAYS say, "Ideer" instead of "Idea"? Are they morons?

Yes

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Yes

Ahhh... Well, I'm certainly happy to know that you are personally able to make such determinations.

 

[Braunwyn]

Accepted of course being the keyword and "error" not appearing in the definition for metathsis

I know you're not kidding but wow. It's kind of sad to read these types of posts. Although, it sort of makes sense given that McCain is anti-education...fits right in really.

 

[Allahuakbar]

Yes, pronounced as you say, nukyaler.

Are you now agreeing that you have been incorrect for the past few pages? Let's really look at what happened here.

In post 132 you claim that Webster's dictionary clearly presents "nucluar" as a proper pronunciation for the word nuclear.

A poster provides the actual pronunciation guide for the word.

You insist that you are correct.

It is evident that you made this claim without understanding pronunciation tools used in dictionaries, specifically the schwa. This is pointed out to you.

Now you claimed this is what you said all along.

While this is all very entertaining, you have been completely wrong, refused to admit the error, displayed a gross misunderstanding of both dictionaries and pronunciation guides, and now appear to be changing your argument to...

For those unaware, Ameican has diverse accents which produce different pronunciations of the same word. In this case, reality, and Websters, demonstrate a clear conservative bias in Palin's favor. What I find odd is that the same side of the aisle that tells us we can't correct ebonics will poke fun at Palin and her particular accent.

So now the problem is an accent? Unfortunately accents do not make mispronunciations acceptable. This is why it is an accent because it is a deviation from the accepted pronunciation.

Now you bring in Ebonics in a racist attempt to score a point with your political sympathizers, but through a lack of familiarity with this term, again sabotage your argument.

Ebonics was and is intended as a method to...teach correct formal English grammar. By starting with a standard that already existed, the street dialect known as Ebonics, students can be instructed in the language they are using (introducing familiarity with nouns, verbs, and parts of speech) and thereby segue into formal English. It is important to understand what a negative is before moving onto double negatives.

In other words Ebonics was being used to teach formal English. It was used to teach proper pronunciation.

So far you have failed to make an educated argument about pronunciation, dictionary use, Ebonics, or the validity of accents. This is not to say you are uneducated (which I am sure you will claim), but your argument is absent a legion or pertinent facts or subject matter understanding that make the difference between an well formed argument and something you simply sat down to type without putting much thought into it.

As I said, I'm sorry you missed it

There is nothing to miss, it does not appear to have happened.

 

[RacismIsBad]

Pronouncing nuclear as "nucular" is in fact incorrect, but has been included in some dictionaries (not all) due to increased usage.

However, the link to the Merriam-Webster definition does not use "nucular," it uses something that sounds more similar to:

nuke-lear
new-clee-ar

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Pronouncing nuclear as "nucular" is in fact incorrect, but has been included in some dictionaries (not all) due to increased usage.

A good friend of mine, who is an English Professor (of all things), always says "nucular". I cannot imagine why he does, but I honestly think he doesn't even know that's how is he pronouncing it.