Joe Six-Pack American?

[Allahuakbar]

So who says nuc you ler as oppesed to new kya ler? And please offer your factual evidence

? What are you trying to ask?

 

[Baggins]

Look at the word Nuclear.

It is pronounced - roughly phonetically - new clear

Why would anyone pronounce it - new cue lar?

That would suggest there is a vowel between the c and l in nuclear when there obviously isn't.

The main reason for mis-pronouncing this word is, I suggest, that the person is either; a moron, or has learnt to pronounce the word by listening to morons.

I can think of no other explanation.

 

[HannahBanana]

Look at the word Nuclear.

It is pronounced - roughly phonetically - new clear

Why would anyone pronounce it - new cue lar?

That would suggest there is a vowel between the c and l in nuclear when there obviously isn't.

The main reason for mis-pronouncing this word is, I suggest, that the person is either; a moron, or has learnt to pronounce the word by listening to morons.

I can think of no other explanation.

Exactly. As an English major, it literally pains me to have people pronounce words so obviously incorrectly. It shows just how little they care about this great language of ours.

 

[MachZer0]

Look at the word Nuclear.

It is pronounced - roughly phonetically - new clear

Why would anyone pronounce it - new cue lar?

Actually, it's new kya ler

That would suggest there is a vowel between the c and l in nuclear when there obviously isn't.

The main reason for mis-pronouncing this word is, I suggest, that the person is either; a moron, or has learnt to pronounce the word by listening to morons.

I can think of no other explanation.

What do you say about people who pronounce ask as axe, almonds as ahmonds or garden as gahden? How about people who pronounce you all as yall. In the South, a bum is a bomb and of course a bummer is an airplane that drops bums. A bub is thing you screw into a light fixture that glows brightly. What do you say about those people, that they are morons? And finally, what do you say about websters which clearly shows nu kya ler as a secondary pronounciation for the word. Are they morons as well?

 

[HannahBanana]

Actually, it's new kya ler

Since when is there an "uh" sound between the "c" and the "l"?

What do you say about people who pronounce ask as axe, almonds as ahmonds or garden as gahden? How about people who pronounce you all as yall. In the South, a bum is a bomb and of course a bummer is an airplane that drops bums. A bub is thing you scrwe into a light fixture that glows brightly. What do you say about those people, that they are morons?

No, those things have to do with people's accents, which isn't exactly something that they can help. Pronouncing words incorrectly because of reasons other than an accent, though, is definitely able to be avoided.

 

[MachZer0]

Since when is there an "uh" sound between the "c" and the "l"?


No, those things have to do with people's accents, which isn't exactly something that they can help. Pronouncing words incorrectly because of reasons other than an accent, though, is definitely able to be avoided.

Of course, Websters disagrees with you. Not every word has only one pronounciation.

 

[HannahBanana]

Of course, Websters disagrees with you. Not every word has only one pronounciation.

No, Webster's doesn't disagree with me, since there is no reason why there would be an "uh" sound between the "c" and the "l."

 

[MachZer0]

No, Webster's doesn't disagree with me, since there is no reason why there would be an "uh" sound between the "c" and the "l."

I'm sorry but I copy and pasted Webster's confirmation right here in this thread. Another person did the same thing. Folks may not like it, but there is nothing wrong with the secondary pronunciation

 

[Papias]

Mach wrote:

there is nothing wrong with the secondary pronunciation

Mach, looking at several sources:

• The American Heritage dictionary (from Houghton Mifflin) says the cue-larr pronunciation is incorrect.

• Dictionary dot com (from the Random House dictionary) says the cue-larr pronunciation is wrong (by metathesis)

• The Stedman's medical dictionary lists only the kle-ar pronunciation as correct

• The online etymolgy dictionary doesn't mention the cue-larr pronunciation.

• Wordnet online dictionary from Princton University doesn't mention the cue-larr pronunciation

• The American Heritage science dictionary lists only the kle-ar pronunciation as correct

You only mentioned the one source (merriam-webster) that lists your cue-larr pronunciation as an option, though even the site you linked to acknowledges that it's disapproved of by many.

Plus, you have ignored my post (#197) which discusses the reason why this mistake likely has occurred. Here is that history:

Nucular is an ad hoc spelling of an incorrect pronunciation of the word nuclear, representing the (NEW-cue-lurr) pronunciation of that word instead of the correct /ˈnjuːkliːɚ/ (NEWK-lee-urr).
This pronunciation is disapproved, although some dictionaries recognize it because of its increasing usage.

​

It also had this:

Usage Note: The pronunciation (nōō'kyə-lər), which is generally considered incorrect, is an example of how a familiar phonological pattern can influence an unfamiliar one. The usual pronunciation of the final two syllables of this word is (-klē-ər), but this sequence of sounds is rare in English. Much more common is the similar sequence (-kyə-lər), which occurs in words like particular, circular, spectacular, and in many scientific words like molecular, ocular, and vascular.

​

The site says that the cue-lur pronunciation is incorrect and by metathesis (metathesis is a type of mistake). Looking over several different sources, it’s clear that it’s incorrect, and that it’s a common mistake.


You know, it’s clear how this happened. People who aren’t terribly familiar with the word nuclear heard other words like the ones above (particular, circular, etc.), and just talked without reading the word closely. That’s fine, we are all busy and such.

However, the response to being corrected says something about one’s character. If one cares about doing things right, then one fixes one’s language. On the other hand, if one has a big ego, cares only about getting one’s way, and lacks humility, then the facts don’t matter, and the red-neck pronunciation (nu-cue-lur) is not only used, but defended.

In fairness to HannahBanana (who actually has studied this stuff), I hope you can apologize to her. After all, as she pointed out, it's spelled n u c l e a r, not nuculur.

Should we ignore proper english and pronounciation? Are we going to tell kids in elementary school that saying "dat brah dint gittin ma bizznis" is correct - even if it is in common use? We need good role models for our kids, and this kind of sloppy english isn't the way to make America great.

And would any of the right leaners on this board be arguing that sloppy english is OK if their candidate had not used it?

Papias

 

[MachZer0]

Mach wrote:


Mach, looking at several sources:

• The American Heritage dictionary (from Houghton Mifflin) says the cue-larr pronunciation is incorrect.

• Dictionary dot com (from the Random House dictionary) says the cue-larr pronunciation is wrong (by metathesis)

• The Stedman's medical dictionary lists only the kle-ar pronunciation as correct

• The online etymolgy dictionary doesn't mention the cue-larr pronunciation.

• Wordnet online dictionary from Princton University doesn't mention the cue-larr pronunciation

• The American Heritage science dictionary lists only the kle-ar pronunciation as correct

You only mentioned the one source (merriam-webster) that lists your cue-larr pronunciation as an option, though even the site you linked to acknowledges that it's disapproved of by many.

Plus, you have ignored my post (#197) which discusses the reason why this mistake likely has occurred. Here is that history:


In fairness to HannahBanana (who actually has studied this stuff), I hope you can apologize to her. After all, as she pointed out, it's spelled n u c l e a r, not nuculur.

Should we ignore proper english and pronounciation? Are we going to tell kids in elementary school that saying "dat brah dint gittin ma bizznis" is correct - even if it is in common use? We need good role models for our kids, and this kind of sloppy english isn't the way to make America great.

And would any of the right leaners on this board be arguing that sloppy english is OK if their candidate had not used it?

Papias

And of course this ignores all the other words in English that have varying pronunciations. Note that nobody has called Jesse Jackson a moron for his pronunciation of certain words

 

[HannahBanana]

And of course this ignores all the other words in English that have varying pronunciations. Note that nobody has called Jesse Jackson a moron for his pronunciation of certain words

Wow. Move the goalpost much? Face it, you were proven wrong. Stop trying to wriggle out of having to admit that.

And what words has Jesse Jackson pronounced wrong? Also, was his mispronunciation of those words due to an accent that he had, or a regional dilect?

 

[`jayne]

And of course this ignores all the other words in English that have varying pronunciations. Note that nobody has called Jesse Jackson a moron for his pronunciation of certain words

Do you have any pacific examples?

 

[Baggins]

Actually, it's new kya ler

So two vowel syllables between the c and the l, and a missing vowel sound between the l and the r.

Congratulations that is three times as moronic.

What do you say about people who pronounce ask as axe,

They are either getting it wrong or trying to sound "street" by getting it wrong

almonds as ahmonds or garden as gahden?

Not quite as egregious, they aren't inserting imaginary vowels after all

How about people who pronounce you all as yall.

Nothing much wrong with contractions, but what the heck is "you all" supposed to mean any way, sounds dangerously akin to a tautology to me.

In the South, a bum is a bomb and of course a bummer is an airplane that drops bums. A bub is thing you screw into a light fixture that glows brightly. What do you say about those people, that they are morons?

Some of them probably.

There is a difference between having an accent and completely mis-pronouncing words though, wouldn't you agree?

Look at the word nuclear again.

OK?

NUCLEAR

Once again observe the lack of vowels between the c and the l, why would you put vowels in there?

As I said, only morons or people who learn new words from morons who can't ( look a contraction of can not!) pronounce said words would do that.

The vowel sounds they are inserting do not exist.

And finally, what do you say about websters which clearly shows nu kya ler as a secondary pronounciation for the word.

Judging by what every one else on this thread has written I'd suggest you don't understand what Webster's is telling you but you are not going to let that get in the way of claiming victory, as per usual.

They use it as an example of an incorrect pronunciation.

They may not write in the dictionary " as used by morons " but you get the feeling they'd like to

Are they morons as well?

No they obviously understand it is an incorrect usage and say so.

Let's look at the word again

Nuclear.

No vowels between the c and the l, who but a moron would insert vowels there? Why? For what reason?

I can only assume a combination of zero scientific education and an inability to read a word and work out how it is pronounced.

 

[Allahuakbar]

And of course this ignores all the other words in English that have varying pronunciations. Note that nobody has called Jesse Jackson a moron for his pronunciation of certain words

Complete non sequitur. None of that has any bearing on your repeated inability to correctly use a dictionary's pronunciation guide, obvious unfamiliarity with pronunciation symbology, or continued insistence contrary to the standards of modern English.

Your argument died long ago, and I am flummoxed why you are attempting to continue it, clearly without anyunderstanding of the subject matter involved.

 

[Braunwyn]

I went to an all day seminar today and one of the speakers used the word irregardless lol. It certainly doesn't mean that he's a moron. He is a scientist after all. It does mean that he used a redundant term. It's accepted but it's a poor choice.

 

[MachZer0]

Complete non sequitur. None of that has any bearing on your repeated inability to correctly use a dictionary's pronunciation guide, obvious unfamiliarity with pronunciation symbology, or continued insistence contrary to the standards of modern English.

Your argument died long ago, and I am flummoxed why you are attempting to continue it, clearly without anyunderstanding of the subject matter involved.

Unfortunately for your alleged flummoxing, my example, copy n' pasted from Webster's shows the pronunciation symbology for "muscular" and "nuclear" to be the same.

 

[Baggins]

Unfortunately for your alleged flummoxing, my example, copy n' pasted from Webster's shows the pronunciation symbology for "muscular" and "nuclear" to be the same.

But as you have been told repeatedly it states that the "morons" version of nuclear is used but is wrong.

Once again, why can you see a myriad of vowels between the c and the l where none exist?

If you look at muscular, there is a vowel between the c and the l, when you look at nuclear there isn't.

Why would anyone, other than an under-educated moron, pronounce them the same?

I wouldn't have thought it would have been a suprise to anyone that Palin is a moron, once you have had an eyeful of that "gosh darnin'" and winking, and have listened to her inability to do anything other than regurgitate script I would have thought it would have been obvious.

The Kouric interview was the obvious product of deep stupidity.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

But as you have been told repeatedly it states that the "morons" version of nuclear is used but is wrong.

Once again, why can you see a myriad of vowels between the c and the l where none exist?

If you look at muscular, there is a vowel between the c and the l, when you look at nuclear there isn't.

Why would anyone, other than an under-educated moron, pronounce them the same?

I wouldn't have thought it would have been a suprise to anyone that Palin is a moron, once you have had an eyeful of that "gosh darnin'" and winking, and have listened to her inability to do anything other than regurgitate script I would have thought it would have been obvious.

The Kouric interview was the obvious product of deep stupidity.

Have I mentioned how much I agree with you?

 

[jgarden]

“Oh, I think they’re [critics] just not used to someone coming in from the outside saying you know what? It’s time that a normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency, and I think that that’s kind of taken some people off guard, and they’re out of sorts, and they’re ticked off about it .....”
(Sarah Palin)

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As a normal "Joe Six-Pack American" in the vice presidency, is Sarah Palin attempting to champion traditional Christian family values, America's hardliving beer drinking culture - OR BOTH?

 

[Allahuakbar]

Unfortunately for your alleged flummoxing, my example, copy n' pasted from Webster's shows the pronunciation symbology for "muscular" and "nuclear" to be the same.

Yes. This is true. And you are attempting to pronounce both incorrectly. You clearly do not know what the symbology means, so why are you trying to make an argument using it?