Do you mean God "elects" because He foreknew? Election and salvation are not synonymous terms.
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Do you mean God "elects" because He foreknew? Election and salvation are not synonymous terms.
cygnusx1
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Just 4 of them right ?
There is no in between .
Either one agrees with total depravity (only God is good) or one doesn't
However you cut it , a persons soteriology will divide over tulip . Even variants of Arminian ideas are .... Arminian . Same goes for Calvinist , that is why there is no middle ground over irresistible grace , it is either irresistible or it isn't , it can't be half and half .
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That is how I understand it. God elects based on foreknown faith. In-time faith connects us to Christ and His atonement, and the Father has chosen/elected, before the foundation of the world, those in Christ by faith to be saved from death, hell, and the grave.
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JackSparrow
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Completely lost track of the thread. If it helps. When it comes to 5 point Calvinism, I am 0 and not a Calvinist.
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Cool.
Got any scripture that teaches that God elects because he foreknows faith?
Tons of it that He elects because He foreknows those who love.
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I do not agree with total depravity or irresistible grace. Only God is absolutely perfectly good and loving. Many human beings throughout history have used their God given ability to love others and when they did they were acting in the image of God.
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Of course God foreknows who loves. The only reason they love is because he granted it to them to love. God foreknows his own work.
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Jack Terrence
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Got any scripture that teaches that God elects because he foreknows faith.
Got any scripture that teaches that God elects because he foreknows faith.
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No, I'm saying "election" and "salvation" are not synonymous. I'm not sure how you reach some of the conclusions you reach.
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Skala
Out of tons of scripture you would not provide one scripture?
Ezekiel 18
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If Salvation is receiving eternal life and if all the elect without exception receive eternal life then they are synonymous.
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The only way I can see how one may reach these conclusions is by shortcutting which leads directly to false conclusions , eg God decreeing to permit sin doesn't make God the efficient cause of sin , the permissive decree merely makes the sin certain .
Things that differ , election - salvation ~ justification - sanctification etc often get mistaken .
Circumvent logic or facts and deductions will always fail
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The doctrine of election is different than the doctrine of salvation.
Salvation is a broad concept that has many facets ranging from eternity past to eternity future. In eternity past God elects, foreknows, predestines, etc. In time God justifies, grants repentance, sanctifies, calls people to himself. In eternity future God glorifies us.
Election is merely one facet of the "salvation process".
The two are not synonymous.
A wheel on a car is not synonymous with the car itself. One is a part of the other.
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