JESUS : Is our Sanctification

[Aviel]

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Jesus is our Sanctification.


Reader....are you born again, or just water baptized and religious?


Jesus said..>"You must be born again"......and water can't do that for you.

So, when we are "In Christ", we are sanctified..... as Christ is our Sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30

And here is something that is very important to understand, or you'll end up trying to do works and sefl effort to be saved or to try to stay saved. And if that is your faith, then your faith in Christ is = Broken.
Paul told us to "examine yourselves to be sure you are in THE Faith".

2 Corinthians 13:5

Let me tell you how you do that....... Here is what you do to "examine yourself".

Ask yourself...:

"Do i believe that Jesus always keeps me saved". ?.........and if your heart of faith says..>"of course"'....then you are in THE faith.... You passed the Theological Exam.

If However your heart of faith says.....>"well, only if i hold unto my faith......only if i keep Jesus's commandments....only if a keep the law...only if i DO SOMETHING THAT IS A SELF EFFORT like..... only if i keep confessing my sin and repenting""".

See that?...
Are you that one?
Examine your FAITH and find out what you are, are what you have become.

LIsten,
Its broken faith that does not Trust in Christ any longer to keep you saved.... That broken faith is SELF righteousness...., and you'll have a LIST of things you are doing to try to be saved or stay saved.,.. and you'll post your list, a lot, when discussing SALVATiON or "How do i go to Heaven".

Next.....

Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
Our Salvation is not our Discipleship...

Reader,
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with their Discipleship, and that leads to Legalism, = "trying to stay saved by SELF effort".
However......They are not the same.
Salvation is God offering His forgiveness and righteousness to YOU, as Christ on the Cross...= This is "the gift of salvation", and "the gift of righteousness".
Whereas Discipleship.... is you presenting your body and behavior back to God as your discipleship, subsequent to you being SANCTIFIED by the Blood of Jesus as a Son/Daughter of God, -= Born again.

Discipleship has no effect on being "made Righteous"', because JESUS is our entire sanctification, proven by the believer being "born again". "in Christ".
A born again believer has become= "the righteousness of God, in Christ". = Forever.
The born again have recevied "the GIFT of righteousness""....as proven by the born again being "IN CHRIST". ... See reader, you could not have any SIN, and be "in Christ"... AS "ONE WITH GOD".

Now lets get into some PAULINE Theology. and stay there for life.....

Here are 4 things you have to understand about your "sin"......if you are born again and not just water baptized and religious.

This is basic "Pauline Theology".....

1.) 2 Corinthians 5:19. """""God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.""""

2.) 2 Corinthians 5:21. """"God made Jesus who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

3.) Hebrews 10: 12. """But Jesus, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;""""

4.) Romans 4:8.. """Bless are the born again unto who God will not impute (charge) SIN"


The BORN AGAIN.... are "made righteous", so, we can't become more righteous, but we can exist in renewed mind perfection as a BELIEVER.
Paul says of those of us who are in that renewed mind.... .we are.." = '"""as many as be Perfect"".

Also.....Spiritual Fruit coming out of you comes from the renewed mind, through Christ.
Committing "works of the Flesh" that leads to Confessing and repenting, comes out of the carnal "un-renewed" mind issue, through You.

To become "perfected", and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" is not found by doing deeds, its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again "NEW CREATION", made so and kept so by God Himself.

Philippians 1:6

Notice that the NT teaches you that you please God by "faith", as = "without Faith it is mpossible to please God "".. and that faith isn't deeds and works...but rather its found in perfected spiritual understanding .
= THE renewed MIND.. = REVELATION Knowledge.
That is the REAL walk of Faith, that is "In the SPIRIT" and not by the flesh......and its not found by trying to be good or trying to be like Christ... and keep commandments..... Its THIS = Its to exist in revelation knowledge of who you have become as a "New Creation IN CHRIST"...., as then.. you are now existing in the renewed mind.

Reader, the "Helmet of Salvation" ..... is spiritual understanding, regarding the Grace of God, as found here...

Hebrews 13:9

Ephesians 6:11

= is LITERALLY the correct understanding of being "made righteous", having become "the righteousness of God in Christ"., as this is the "new Creation".
So.....If you dont have this piece of God's armor figured out and on your head as the "renewed Mind".... then DECEIVERS will get into your head and their false gospel and false theology will become your "dark helmet". It will become your broken faith. = Deception will become your Truth.
Or as Jesus told you, "be careful that the Light that is in you, is not DARKNESS"...

 

[dwb001]

Just a question for the group... how many of you read that whole post?

 

[Aviel]

Just a question for the group... how many of you read that whole post?

@dwb001 ...

I appreciate your point of view...

However, I hope they all read it.
Its a very good Teaching.
There is a lot in it, so, = the length.

Im going to post one more today.. and its also not a bumper sticker.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

I read the whole thing

 

[fhansen]

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Jesus is our Sanctification.


Reader....are you born again, or just water baptized and religious?


Jesus said..>"You must be born again"......and water can't do that for you.

So, when we are "In Christ", we are sanctified..... as Christ is our Sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30

And here is something that is very important to understand, or you'll end up trying to do works and sefl effort to be saved or to try to stay saved. And if that is your faith, then your faith in Christ is = Broken.
Paul told us to "examine yourselves to be sure you are in THE Faith".

2 Corinthians 13:5

Let me tell you how you do that....... Here is what you do to "examine yourself".

Ask yourself...:

"Do i believe that Jesus always keeps me saved". ?.........and if your heart of faith says..>"of course"'....then you are in THE faith.... You passed the Theological Exam.

If However your heart of faith says.....>"well, only if i hold unto my faith......only if i keep Jesus's commandments....only if a keep the law...only if i DO SOMETHING THAT IS A SELF EFFORT like..... only if i keep confessing my sin and repenting""".

See that?...
Are you that one?
Examine your FAITH and find out what you are, are what you have become.

LIsten,
Its broken faith that does not Trust in Christ any longer to keep you saved.... That broken faith is SELF righteousness...., and you'll have a LIST of things you are doing to try to be saved or stay saved.,.. and you'll post your list, a lot, when discussing SALVATiON or "How do i go to Heaven".

Next.....

Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
Our Salvation is not our Discipleship...

Reader,
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with their Discipleship, and that leads to Legalism, = "trying to stay saved by SELF effort".
However......They are not the same.
Salvation is God offering His forgiveness and righteousness to YOU, as Christ on the Cross...= This is "the gift of salvation", and "the gift of righteousness".
Whereas Discipleship.... is you presenting your body and behavior back to God as your discipleship, subsequent to you being SANCTIFIED by the Blood of Jesus as a Son/Daughter of God, -= Born again.

Discipleship has no effect on being "made Righteous"', because JESUS is our entire sanctification, proven by the believer being "born again". "in Christ".
A born again believer has become= "the righteousness of God, in Christ". = Forever.
The born again have recevied "the GIFT of righteousness""....as proven by the born again being "IN CHRIST". ... See reader, you could not have any SIN, and be "in Christ"... AS "ONE WITH GOD".

Now lets get into some PAULINE Theology. and stay there for life.....

Here are 4 things you have to understand about your "sin"......if you are born again and not just water baptized and religious.

This is basic "Pauline Theology".....

1.) 2 Corinthians 5:19. """""God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.""""

2.) 2 Corinthians 5:21. """"God made Jesus who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

3.) Hebrews 10: 12. """But Jesus, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;""""

4.) Romans 4:8.. """Bless are the born again unto who God will not impute (charge) SIN"


The BORN AGAIN.... are "made righteous", so, we can't become more righteous, but we can exist in renewed mind perfection as a BELIEVER.
Paul says of those of us who are in that renewed mind.... .we are.." = '"""as many as be Perfect"".

Also.....Spiritual Fruit coming out of you comes from the renewed mind, through Christ.
Committing "works of the Flesh" that leads to Confessing and repenting, comes out of the carnal "un-renewed" mind issue, through You.

To become "perfected", and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" is not found by doing deeds, its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again "NEW CREATION", made so and kept so by God Himself.

Philippians 1:6

Notice that the NT teaches you that you please God by "faith", as = "without Faith it is mpossible to please God "".. and that faith isn't deeds and works...but rather its found in perfected spiritual understanding .
= THE renewed MIND.. = REVELATION Knowledge.
That is the REAL walk of Faith, that is "In the SPIRIT" and not by the flesh......and its not found by trying to be good or trying to be like Christ... and keep commandments..... Its THIS = Its to exist in revelation knowledge of who you have become as a "New Creation IN CHRIST"...., as then.. you are now existing in the renewed mind.

Reader, the "Helmet of Salvation" ..... is spiritual understanding, regarding the Grace of God, as found here...

Hebrews 13:9

Ephesians 6:11

= is LITERALLY the correct understanding of being "made righteous", having become "the righteousness of God in Christ"., as this is the "new Creation".
So.....If you dont have this piece of God's armor figured out and on your head as the "renewed Mind".... then DECEIVERS will get into your head and their false gospel and false theology will become your "dark helmet". It will become your broken faith. = Deception will become your Truth.
Or as Jesus told you, "be careful that the Light that is in you, is not DARKNESS"...

We're sanctified to the extent that we are interiorly holy and live that way. And the only way that comes to us is by virtue of reconciliation and union with God through faith in His Son: by everything that Christ said and did, everything that Christ is, as He reveals the true face of the true God, one genuinely worth knowing, believing in, hoping in, and, most importantly, loving.

That love is the essence of man's justice or righteousness, which is why the greatest commandments are what they are. That love, agape, is true holiness.

 

[Aviel]

We're sanctified

The born again are sanctified by becoming joined to the Spirit of God, "in Christ", as "one with God".

There is no sin found there.

 

[fhansen]

The born again are sanctified by becoming joined to the Spirit of God, "in Christ", as "one with God".

There is no sin found there.

There is sin whenever and wherever we sin. God isn't interested in pretend righteousness.

"Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as He is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:7-8

 

[Aviel]

There is sin whenever and wherever we sin.

There is no sin found "in Christ'.

There is no sin found here.. = "not under the law, but under Grace".

Sin is found in the unbeliever, who is under the Law, and are still "in their sin".

Whereas regarding the believer.... "Christ is the END of the Law for everyone who Believes"..

"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE of the Law".

See those 2?

One is justification from sin, and one is to be 'made free from sin".

 

[fhansen]

There is no sin found "in Christ'.

There is no sin found here.. = "not under the law, but under Grace".

Sin is found in the unbeliever, who is under the Law, and are still "in their sin".

Whereas regarding the believer.... "Christ is the END of the Law for everyone who Believes"..

"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE of the Law".

See those 2?

One is justification from sin, and one is to be 'made free from sin".

Well, that's your gospel of course, and it happens to be a novel one. The early churches and early fathers never taught such a thing. Forgiveness of sin, yes, but permanent justified status simply as a result of believing, no. Scripture disagrees as well

 

[Aviel]

Well, that's your gospel of course, and it happens to be a novel one.

Its Paul's Gospel.
Its not a "novel", its "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Like this..

"God hath made JESUS to be sin for us"

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... Eternal sacrifice for sin"..


See those?

Now read ... 2 Corinthians 5:19..... John 3:17...... Romans 4:8


And you'll note how Paul teaches those......as they are all "The Gospel"...

That's what im teaching.

 

[fhansen]

Its Paul's Gospel.
Its not a "novel", its "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Like this..

"God hath made JESUS to be sin for us"

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... Eternal sacrifice for sin"..


See those?

Now read ... 2 Corinthians 5:19..... John 3:17...... Romans 4:8


And you'll note how Paul teaches those......as they are all "The Gospel"...

That's what im teaching.

No, you've failed to understand Paul-a common occurrence these days. Jesus became sin for all, that all may be saved. If we open the door when He knocks, and keep it open to Him daily by picking up our cross and following, remaining in Him, persevering, then we will be saved, It begins with faith.--it does not end there.

Yes, His sacrifice was one-time. Will that matter to us-and continue to matter to us? Do we care enough to turn to Him? Do we care enough to remain turned to Him? This is demonstrated and born out by the way we live our lives, the way we love God and neighbor, or fail to do so. By the way we've been changed, and continue in that change.

2 Corinthians 5:19: Christ did His work. But not all will come to Him.

John 3:17: Yes, the world might be saved. And might then remain in that state:
"Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off." Rom 11:22

Romans 4:8: Yes, we're blessed by Gods forgiveness, made known and made possible by God the Son. And yet:
"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matt 6:15

We need more than faith. Without love we are nothing (1 Cor 13:2), and God wants us to be something- that's His purpose in salvation. Something great and noble, something like Himself, something better than you were to begin with rather than merely leaving you in your sins, forgiven but unchanged otherwise. This is a work of His, journey that takes time as were tested and hopefully refined as we remain doing His will. And He covets your participation in this work-for your highest good! As the church has rightly taught:
"For faith, unless hope and charity [love] be added to it, neither unites man perfectly with Christ nor makes him a living member of His body."

He enables us to live lives of obedience as we're now yoked together with Him, if we will:
"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." Rom 8:1-4, 12-14

 

[Aviel]

No, you've failed to understand Paul-

Not according to my Threads, and posts.

"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matt 6:15

That is Jesus speaking to Jews, who are "under the Law",.... before He died on the Cross, for the sin of the World.

Always remember,... When you read the words of the Lord..., notice if they are talking to the House of Israel, or not.
And when you find verses, where Jesus is only talking to the JEWS, under the Old Covenant... then you have to interpret that verse in Light of the Cross, and regarding the new Covenant.

This is known as "rightly dividing the word", and that is also a verse by : Paul.

We need more than faith. Without love we are nothing

God does not save :"lovers".

God saves SInners.

Like this..

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"... .and He accomplished it.

 

[Doug Brents]

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Jesus is our Sanctification.


Reader....are you born again, or just water baptized and religious?

Well, since being born again occurs during water baptism (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21), this is a misleading question.

Jesus said..>"You must be born again"......and water can't do that for you.

It is in the water that we encounter the Holy Spirit who, through the power of the blood of Christ, exchanges our sin for Christ's righteousness. The water does not do it, but the Holy Spirit does when we pass through the water.

 

[Aviel]

Well, since being born again occurs during water baptism (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21), this is a misleading question.

Its not misleading at all.
See, you can be water baptized and not be saved., and you can be born again, and never water baptized.

It is in the water that we encounter the Holy Spirit

Its by faith, that we will counter the regeneration of the Holy Spirit.

And once we are born again, then we should be water baptized.

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.

The dying thief on the Cross, who is in heaven right now, was never water baptized.

If you read Acts 2, you'll discover that Peter and those in the upper room, were not water baptized in : Acts 2:38

And if you read John 20:22, you'll read that the 11 Apostles were given the Holy Spirit, and non of them were water baptized at that time.

 

[Doug Brents]

Its not misleading at all.
See, you can be water baptized and not be saved.,

True

and you can be born again, and never water baptized.

Not true at all.

Its by faith, that we will counter the regeneration of the Holy Spirit.

And once we are born again, then we should be water baptized.

You cannot be born again until you have been buried with Christ in baptism (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14).

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.

No, you were born again 11 years after you thought you were.

The dying thief on the Cross, who is in heaven right now, was never water baptized.

And he was promised paradise before Jesus died, and Jesus could change His Will any way He chose before He died.

If you read Acts 2, you'll discover that Peter and those in the upper room, were not water baptized in : Acts 2:38

And if you read John 20:22, you'll read that the 11 Apostles were given the Holy Spirit, and non of them were water baptized at that time.

We do not know when the Apostles were baptized in water (probably on Pentecost, but it could have been during Jesus' lifetime). They were given miraculous works of the Holy Spirit in the upper room on Pentecost, not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The indwelling is the result of water baptism as Acts 2:38 says.

 

[fhansen]

Not according to my Threads, and posts.

Oh, yes-very much according to your threads and posts.

That is Jesus speaking to Jews, who are "under the Law",.... before He died on the Cross, for the sin of the World.

That's a modern contrived position, contrived to fit a particular, peculiar theology, not Christ's theology. Jesus was speaking a universal truth-He never preached anything but the gospel.

This is known as "rightly dividing the word", and that is also a verse by : Paul.

Yes, you need to get started on that. Reading history, the historical teachings of the church, would be greatly beneficial in this. Even the Ethiopian Eunuch and the Bereans needed the input of others, those who received and preceded them in the faith, in order to understand.

God does not save :"lovers".

God saves SInners.

Like this..

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"... .and He accomplished it.

God saves sinners in order that they might become lovers, like Him, with the love that fulfills the Law (Rom 13:10). Justification cannot be separated within us from real justice, i.e. righteousness, which is best defined by love.

When a person turns to God, they're turning away from sin and the "values" of this world. And by walking in the Spirit, under His grace, we can now overcome the world and the sin that condemns us.

 

[Aviel]

1.) We are born again Spiritually.

This means that our spirit, has been given a spiritual birth by the Holy Spirit..... It, our born again SPIRIT< is "in Christ", and "one with God".. ."seated in heavenly places in Christ"., "having eternal life"... FOREVER.

THAT, is the "new creation in Christ".. the "Son/Daughter" of God. = THE CHRISTian.

2. ) "God is A Spirit", and we are a born again Spirit, joined to God and Christ by Spiritual Birth.

= THIS is the "CHRISTian"...

And that revelation , once you have it, means you have "Put on the Helmet of Salvation", and are walking "in the Spirit".

SEEING yourself, as God sees you.... is how you "work out your Salvation"..

Coming into that Renewed MIND.... that understands that you are not the body, or the "thinking".... You are the SPIRIT, in that Body, that is born again, "in Christ" "One with God".

You dont get a new spirit after you die , or are Raptured..., as its already BORN AGAIN... but you get a new container.. a new body that is created to house the born again Spirit.

See, until the believer sees themselves as THE "new Creation" born again.. .......then they think....>"im this body, who is sometimes thinking things that would make the Devil blush".

But THAT is not the Son/Daughter of God.. That is the wrong mind that is carnal, and has not understood what it means to have become../
= " the righteous of God, in Christ".

Here is the born again..

"As Christ IS...... so are the born again... .in THIS world"..

We are in it, but not OF it.

 

[Aviel]

The Devil is real, and he is always trying to cause "strife, and confusion and every evil work"

So, Paul is our teacher, and his doctrine came from Jesus.
= Can't go wrong there .....

Here is your sin..

"God hath made JESUS to be sin for us.".. as.. "the ONE TIME>.. ETERNAL... Sacrifice..for sins"..
Jesus said.."If you dont believe in me, that im the Savior, the Messiah, then you will die in your Sins", and that is because Christ never became their "sin bearer"..
He has become ours.. and = forever.
Jesus has your sins, and died for them all.
We have God's "Gift of Righteousness" that is God's "Gift of Salvation"... and that is our "eternal life". REGAINED>.. that Adam lost.

wE have even more.

"heir of God"
"Joint heir with Jesus"..

and so much more.

 

[fhansen]

1.) We are born again Spiritually.

This means that our spirit, has been given a spiritual birth by the Holy Spirit..... It, our born again SPIRIT< is "in Christ", and "one with God".. ."seated in heavenly places in Christ"., "having eternal life"... FOREVER.

THAT, is the "new creation in Christ".. the "Son/Daughter" of God. = THE CHRISTian.

2. ) "God is A Spirit", and we are a born again Spirit, joined to God and Christ by Spiritual Birth.

= THIS is the "CHRISTian"...

And that revelation , once you have it, means you have "Put on the Helmet of Salvation", and are walking "in the Spirit".

SEEING yourself, as God sees you.... is how you "work out your Salvation"..

Coming into that Renewed MIND.... that understands that you are not the body, or the "thinking".... You are the SPIRIT, in that Body, that is born again, "in Christ" "One with God".

You dont get a new spirit after you die , or are Raptured..., as its already BORN AGAIN... but you get a new container.. a new body that is created to house the born again Spirit.

See, until the believer sees themselves as THE "new Creation" born again.. .......then they think....>"im this body, who is sometimes thinking things that would make the Devil blush".

But THAT is not the Son/Daughter of God.. That is the wrong mind that is carnal, and has not understood what it means to have become../
= " the righteous of God, in Christ".

Here is the born again..

"As Christ IS...... so are the born again... .in THIS world"..

We are in it, but not OF it.

Read the Sermon on the Mount. Its teachings are central to the New Covenant. And being reborn means becoming a new creation, not the same old man dressed up to look new when he's not. Read Romans with a new understanding, the ancient understanding of the church, Inform your position with such truths as Paul taught in Rom 2:7:
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life."
or 2:13:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."
or 8:12-14
"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."

The Devil is real, and he is always trying to cause "strife, and confusion and every evil work"

Yes, and the devil smiles whenever we call evil good or good evil (Is 5;20). He's won, after all, when our theology actually makes it ok to remain as we were, in our sin. Much confusion has been spread within Christianity by such novel teachings.

 

[Buzzard3]

And here is something that is very important to understand, or you'll end up trying to do works and sefl effort to be saved or to try to stay saved. And if that is your faith, then your faith in Christ is = Broken.

Do you understand that "works" is obedience and that God has always demanded and placed great importance on obedience?

Works are essential for salvation:

"a man is justified by works and not by faith alone ... faith without works is dead" (James 2:24-26).

"And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: he who says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked." (1John 2:3-6)