Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[jimmyjimmy]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

 

[archer75]

Could you provide a citation?

 

[MoonlessNight]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

Jesus held to the idea that He was the ultimate authority for the believer.

Even the crowds He taught to recognized this:

28 And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. 29 For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees.

When Christ said that "today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing," it was not due to having read that conclusion.

Furthermore, how could He possibly justify Himself as "Lord of the Sabbath" if he held scripture alone to be the ultimate authority?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Jesus held to the idea that He was the ultimate authority for the believer.

Even the crowds He taught to recognized this:



When Christ said that "today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing," it was not due to having read that conclusion.

Furthermore, how could He possibly justify Himself as "Lord of the Sabbath" if he held scripture alone to be the ultimate authority?

How did He respond when tempted by Satan?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Could you provide a citation?

Sure: "Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone.''" - Jesus

 

[concretecamper]

Mat 18:15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
18:16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the scriptures. And if he will not hear the scriptures, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever the scriptures shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever the scriptures shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
18:19 Again I say to you, that if two books shall consent upon earth, concerning anything whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Mat 18:15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
18:16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the scriptures. And if he will not hear the scriptures, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever the scriptures shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever the scriptures shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
18:19 Again I say to you, that if two books shall consent upon earth, concerning anything whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven.

What is the passage in reference to?

 

[concretecamper]

What is the passage in reference to?

Confirms your first post, no?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Confirms your first post, no?

No.

The passage you (mis) quoted is regarding church discipline.

 

[Noxot]

I think Jesus used the scriptures because he knows them but he himself confessed that he does nothing of himself and depends on his Father.

 

[MoonlessNight]

How did He respond when tempted by Satan?

I can give you plenty of quotes from Popes that are justified with scriptural citations.

Do you then believe that the Catholic Church is sola scriptura?

Christ held that all scripture was true, as it was His expression after all and He is Truth, but that doesn't mean that He held that it was only true because it was scripture.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I think Jesus used the scriptures because he knows them but he himself confessed that he does nothing of himself and depends on his Father.

Does Jesus have more authority than the pope?

 

[Noxot]

Does Jesus have more authority than the pope?

that's real funny. i'm chuckling.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I can give you plenty of quotes from Popes that are justified with scriptural citations.

Do you then believe that the Catholic Church is sola scriptura?

Christ held that all scripture was true, as it was His expression after all and He is Truth, but that doesn't mean that He held that it was only true because it was scripture.

The point is, Jesus appealed to scripture, not hierarchical authority structures.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

that's real funny. i'm chuckling.

If He does, then why did He not tell Satan to bug off based on His authority? Rather, He pointed to scripture.

 

[Noxot]

If He does, then why did He not tell Satan to bug off based on His authority? Rather, He pointed to scripture.

Jesus did that for our sake. want to know how I know that?

 

[MoonlessNight]

Does Jesus have more authority than the pope?

Does Jesus have any authority?

I would say of course that He does, indeed that authority only exists insofar as it is founded in His authority, but your line of reasoning seems to suggest that He doesn't. For if Jesus only justified His teaching via scriptural citations, wouldn't that mean that He had no authority beyond what scripture granted Him?

 

[MoonlessNight]

If He does, then why did He not tell Satan to bug off based on His authority? Rather, He pointed to scripture.

Why were the people amazed that Jesus taught with authority, if he only quoted scripture? The scribes and pharisees did that, but the people recognized that Jesus was doing something quite distinct in His teaching.

But beyond that, whose name is it that every knee will bend to? The Bible's? Or Jesus's?

 

[MoonlessNight]

The point is, Jesus appealed to scripture, not hierarchical authority.

You are operating under a bizarre notion that if anyone quotes scripture, then he treats scripture as the sole authority on everything.

The thing is, the very example of the temptation in the desert that you are pointing to disproves this notion. For Satan also appealed to scripture, but certainly you are not suggesting that Satan holds scripture as the ultimate authority?

 

[Targaryen]

The point is, Jesus appealed to scripture, not hierarchical authority.

Jesus is also the Son of God, came to fufil the Scripture. And the Ancient Church followed on from the teaching of his Disciples, one of whom was the "rock upon which I will build my Church." So this doesn't suggest that we weren't meant to have no structure within the Church.