Jesus did not come to save the ((world))

[miknik5]

There's only ONE GOD
That is TRUE, correct?

 

[bangmegafan]

Do they know or have heard of JESUS but still seek outside of that suggestion?

Some heard and some not. Those who heard will agree with his speeches. They say Jesus is one of many God's. But he is not highest level of God.

There are really many people in India who heard Jesus but they think he is one of many other God's and they consider like any other God

And there are people who heard of Jesus but couldn't accept him due to spiritual influences in their respective religions

And there people who have heard about Jesus but they don't know they completely know Jesus life.

And there are people, who understand him as Satan due to their own religious influences

I don't think there is anybody who didn't hear Jesus name. But hearing is different from understanding. I am talking about understanding

 

[bangmegafan]

Iti s almost impossible to navigate and post comment from mobile browser. Not sure why tapatalk support is stopped

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I can't disagree with you as you have quoted verses from bible to answer my questions. Thanks. However, I still have below questions

1. You said none of us will actually seek God. But actually there are many people who don't know Jesus but seek God. For example, India there are many saints who go to Himalayas and spend their whole life there in meditation. There are many people who are true seekers are of God but they didn't know Jesus

This is a very good question, and one that comes up frequently.

The term, "god" is very vague. There are people who seek many gods; however, there are none (who have not been drawn by God) who seek the true and Living God.

Consider Adam and Eve. When they sinned they hid from God and covered themselves in fig leaves. No sinner seeks God, and no criminal seeks a cop.

2.You saidJesus talks to everyone but onlyHis sheep follows Him.Then why therea re many really don't know who is Jesus

I didn't say that Jesus talks to everyone. He calls His sheep by name. Not all are His sheep.

 

[miknik5]

Some heard and some not. Those who heard will agree with his speeches. They say Jesus is one of many God's. But he is not highest level of God.

There are really many people in India who heard Jesus but they think he is one of many other God's and they consider like any other God

And there are people who heard of Jesus but couldn't accept him due to spiritual influences in their respective religions

And there people who have heard about Jesus but they don't know they completely know Jesus life.

And there are people, who understand him as Satan due to their own religious influences

I don't think there is anybody who didn't hear Jesus name. But hearing is different from understanding. I am talking about understanding

and this is THE VERDICT sir.
Do you know that GOD, by sending HIS SON into the world shut up the mouths of every whispering lying spirit who whispers and mutters everything and anything but CHRIST and THE MESSAGE of THE CROSS

You see, many profess to have god(s) but deny THE SON

He who denies THE SON denies THE FATHER who sent HIM
And in a sense calls GOD a liar
He does not believe GOD's TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON

ONE TESTIMONY sir

 

[JLB777]

All things, that originate in God can be saved. The devil has no origin in God, so he can not be saved.

Lucifer was created by God, but "became" Satan; The Adversary.

Just because you are a son of God does not prevent you from being cast into hell.


Angels are sons of God.



For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4



JLB

 

[Kate Pneuma]

I imagine the Christian persecuting guy named Paul, the worst of sinners, is already in heaven, so saving Sodom should be a piece of cake for Almighty God. In fact God says they would have repented if they had seen Jesus' miracles. Their resurrection will be one they will see, amongst others.

Re your question, one point of living is that killing yourself would be a sin that could get you a seat in the lake of fire. I'd rather avoid that & go straight to heaven.

The worst of the sinners, a guy named Saul, saw the light and repented for what he'd done and followed Jesus, then taking the name Paul. So yes I imagine he is in heaven. There is an excellent point that the people in Sodom probably would have had a different perspective/actions if it had taken place in the time of Jesus. Probably had something to do with the fact Jesus died to save us.
Love you brother!

 

[miknik5]

Lucifer was created by God, but "became" Satan; The Adversary.

Just because you are a son of God does not prevent you from being cast into hell.


Angels are sons of God.



For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4



JLB

Do you agree that there is ONE TESTIMONY?

Or many?

Peter's letter was to instruct those in CHRIST not to entertain the voices of lies

Just as ISAIAH instructs us not to go to the dead for THE LIVING (one).

Where are your "wosemen" now?

Let them tell what the LORD SABBOATH will do

"Wisemen" is said in sarcasm
They are false lying voices and spirits who do not hold to THE TESTIMONY and do not speak according to THE WORD

Peter was addressing these as false prophets who had many heretical additions to THE ONE TRUTH and GOSPEL

And there are many who do add to THE ONE TRUTH and GOSPEL even today

BIND UP THE TESTIMONY amongst MY DISCIPLES

And when they tell you to seek spirits should not a people consult their GOD?

To the dead (spirits) for THE LIVING(ONE)?

If they speak not according to THE WORD, it is because there is no LIGHT in them

Please reread 2 Peter 2 in context
and read also (Isaiah 8)

 

[blessedmomof5]

That would be the world of believers not everyone in the world.

I just don't think that Hitler will be there.

M-Bob

If Hitler turned from his evil ways and believed Jesus was The Savior of The world, asked for forgiveness (repented) truly sorry for what he had done, and only God knows the heart of man, He would forgive him. I don't know what hitler did as much as you do.
That's between him
And God

 

[Hank77]

Yes, babies do deserve to go to hell because *everyone* deserves to go to hell.

Scripture please. Thank you.

 

[Rajni]

If Hitler turned from his evil ways and believed Jesus was The Savior of The world, asked for forgiveness (repented) truly sorry for what he had done, and only God knows the heart of man, He would forgive him. I don't know what hitler did as much as you do.

That's between him

And God

Agreed.

It's funny how often Hitler is brought up as an example of the worst of sinners when it was Paul who referred to himself as such. And if his writings were divinely inspired by a God who can see what kinds of sinners would come in the future, then his claim of being the worst of sinners would have to be accurate. If, therefore, Paul was salvageable, why wouldn't Hitler be?

The Lord came to seek and save the lost. God (a.k.a. Love) never fails, so if it's lost, it will be sought and saved. God is without sin (falling short), so He won't fall short of that goal.

Yes, this means that some here will have to spend eternity with people they don't like (let's face it, it's this sentiment against those we deem "unworthy" that ultimately drives partialism), but they'll survive.

 

[DutchTears]

Mark these words well.
to all who already believe in some concept of univeralism
yall will embrace interfaith to the full.
so will many others.
the worst most wicked religion ever to be born. and by grace I will die long before I accept
any version of its world peace and unity. long before.
to answer the statement on the thread. Mountain Bob, is right on this one.
Jesus is the savoir of the world, but not the whole world will come to him to receive it.
HE died for the sins of the whole world. So that means everyone could have been saved
IF , IF they had only come and continued by grace IN HIM.
the whole world . however most will reject him, perhaps not in mouth
but in heart they do reject.
Jesus said more than just what bob said.
He even thanked the Father it was hid from the wise and prudent and revealed unto babes.
GOD resists the proud. But , I make this offer.
REPENT peoples and come to Christ and ye shall receive the pardon of sins
and learn how to walk righteously. Better continue in Him, for if not
even paul said.........I too be cast out.
Man I hate interfaith. if I could I would burn any concept of it, its world peace from the minds of all
men. But I have not that power.
Only the desire to preach the real and only gospel of peace
which is the only peace a man can have. CHRIST , the reconciliation between GOD and mankind.

John 6:44-46 "44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father."

And John 6:65 "65Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”"

Seems like it's not *YOUR* offer to make.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Will the Sinners Prayer get me there ?

It seems not for when Nicodemus asked what must one do to be born again Jesus did not say to repeat this little prayer he did say that it was like the wind the Holy Spirit we have no control over.

Sinners Prayer another man invention. So puffed up in himself.

Lord have mercy on me a sinner.

M-Bob

 

[Hank77]

That's not talking about favoritism, it's talking about the mercy of God. God declares in his word that he will show mercy to whom he will show mercy. It's up to him. In his eternal counsel, before the beginning of time, he predestinated some to everlasting life (not based on anything they did either; that's where the favoritism can come from since God is no respecter of persons, in that way he does not show favoritism). That's not playing favorites, it just what he wanted to do. You don't question God, he can do what he wants with his creation.

The mystery, that had be predestined from the beginning and was hidden in the OT scriptures, was that the Gentiles were also predestined to be God's chosen people. Two flocks united in Christ, the One Seed, Jew and Gentile.

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

 

[frienden thalord]

John 6:44-46 "44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father."

And John 6:65 "65Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”"

Seems like it's not *YOUR* offer to make.

By all means we preach the gospel to all. Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel.
we offer it. Its just only those who will receive , will receive.
The early church knew the dire need to evangelize, it why they turned the world upside down.
They knew that mankind needed to hear, repent , to be saved.
Not like our wicked age of universalism , wicked interfaith .
Let me leave us with puals words.
I am free of the blood of all men, for you know I have no failed to warn .
wonder where he got that from.
IF ye see a wicked man and warn him not , he will die in his sins
but his blood I will require at your hand.
Interfaith is of satan. and the idea that we can sit idle and warn none is a lie.
Let us forsake the puplits and teachings of false hirelings
who care more for their status, well being , prosperity , than for souls.
I will preach Christ as the only way , and if it gets in the way of unity for world peace
I say AMEN .

 

[bangmegafan]

This is a very good question, and one that comes up frequently.

The term, "god" is very vague. There are people who seek many gods; however, there are none (who have not been drawn by God) who seek the true and Living God.

Consider Adam and Eve. When they sinned they hid from God and covered themselves in fig leaves. No sinner seeks God, and no criminal seeks a cop.



I didn't say that Jesus talks to everyone. He calls His sheep by name. Not all are His sheep.

Okay, then I also agree with you with second point and I think I said same in my earlier post. I also believe Jesus reads other's heart before calling him. I said exactly same.

In first point, you said criminal can't seek God. I'm confused. Since my childhood, I practiced many methods and read many books from my born religion (hindu) to seek God. And I know I'm sinner.

I have learned some meditation and practiced. That didn't help. Then I went to ISKCON template chanted harekrishna mantra somewhere around 1000 times a day for few months. That didn't help.

After that I have received dream from Jesus where he called me from ship. I didn't go. Later, one more thing like that happened. I have simply ignored at that time, after some point of time I have temporarily accepted Jesus. I didn't know much about him. Now, I have completely accepted Him.

Here, I believe without seeking God since childhood, Jesus couldn't have shown his grace on me.

 

[bangmegafan]

Completely understand and agree with you. When we know people like that, I think we believers should go to them and explain what God is. Why Jesus is only God. Those who are saved because Jesus considered us one of his sheep, should go and explain Gospel whoever not heard/not understood/ rejected. This what I said in my post

and this is THE VERDICT sir.
Do you know that GOD, by sending HIS SON into the world shut up the mouths of every whispering lying spirit who whispers and mutters everything and anything but CHRIST and THE MESSAGE of THE CROSS

You see, many profess to have god(s) but deny THE SON

He who denies THE SON denies THE FATHER who sent HIM
And in a sense calls GOD a liar
He does not believe GOD's TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON

ONE TESTIMONY sir

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The worst of the sinners, a guy named Saul, saw the light and repented for what he'd done and followed Jesus, then taking the name Paul. So yes I imagine he is in heaven. There is an excellent point that the people in Sodom probably would have had a different perspective/actions if it had taken place in the time of Jesus. Probably had something to do with the fact Jesus died to save us.
Love you brother!

You oddly give all the glory to Paul. You place him as the actor, when God was the actor. God sought Saul. God blinded Saul. God healed Saul. God spoke to Saul, God forgave Saul. God Renamed Saul. This was a work of God redeeming a lost sinner that He had plans for. This is not the story of a man turning over a new leaf.

 

[frienden thalord]

Scripture please. Thank you.

Here is one .
Remember davids baby , the one he fathered with Soloms mom.
The one that died. What did david say to those who wondered why he had stopped fasting and mourning.
David said the child wont be coming back . But that I will go to him.
David did not go to hell. That baby is in heaven.
Whoever said babies go to hell. Don't know God.
You give that scrip to whoever said otherwise. a baby. it don't know its hand from its foot.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

In first point, you said criminal can't seek God. I'm confused.

I said that criminals don't seek out police.

All men are sinners. They are guilty of violating God's law. Because of this guilt and their rebellion, they run and hide from God. They do not seek Him. He seeks them. Men don't want God anymore than a criminal wants the police.