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Nothing i can relate to Deuteronomy 5.If you deny any part of YHWH'S WORD, .... ..... .....
It seems you can't grasp that understanding His Word is not up to us.
Either His Word is TRUTH, and He Reveals the understanding,
or He doesn't Reveal the understanding,
Luke 10:21 - Bible Gateway
Luke 10:21 - Bible Gateway
At that time he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of ...[hidden these] things from [the educated] wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to babes:
Please show me the truth of Deiteronomy 5:1-3.
Hi Jeff, it is not a matter of whether His word is truth. His word cannot be false. What matters is who the message is to be applied. God has had different messages for different peoples down through the ages.
The message to Israel is not necessarily the message for new covenant Christians. Do you wear tassels on your clothing? That was a message to Israelites as you well know. Keeping ritual says given only to Israel should have no bearing on the message He has given to Christians.
Nothing i can relate to Deuteronomy 5.
If you will read the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENTTrue the Law was never given to Gentiles or the rest of humanity.
Please show me the truth of Deiteronomy 5:1-3.
Deut 5
“Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire, 5 while I was standing between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said,
6 ‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
7 ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
Bob, I think I missed something. What is all the hoopla about Deut. 5?
Someone asked to see the truth in Deut 5 -- so I quoted some of it showing Truth that pretty much everyone agrees with.
I've no objection to your butting into my exchange with BR. You do need some patience though. I post only in the earlier morning (before 10 at least).Bob, I think I missed something. What is all the hoopla about Deut. 5?
I've no objection to your butting into my exchange with BR. You do need some patience though. I post only in the earlier morning (before 10 at least).
BR and buggy have been here before on this point. BR can play like he doesn't know if he wants. There's a reason.
BR maintains Abraham had the law given to Israel and obeyed that law. The question isn't about morals here. It's about keeping the law issued to Israel at least in part.
Moses says very clearly no one prior to Israel had this law in verse 3. BR claims he did and that this law is and was from the beginning. Moses says otherwise. It's part of BR game plan to force the law in part on unsuspecting people to draw others to his religion. I know people don't believe this. They've got their head stuck in the sand.
BR also does this with Jeremiah 31. He won't or hasn't yet admitted to verse 32. Verse 32 is self defining of the word "new" in verse 31. This disallows for BR's concept the ten commandments are written on the heart. Both verses 31 and 32 indicate otherwise. Both verses are about contents and not movement or place the ten commandments (the covenant issued to Israel) are written. BR's and church's position is a person isn't a Christian unless they worship on Saturday. A few here see right through what BR posts and know the reason. They just can't come right out and say so anymore. If a person is paying attention here they'll see BR is attempting to draw people from Jesus to the law. This is why quotes from Revelation are posted. This is why BR insists everywhere the word commandment(s) is found it exclusively means the famous ten without exception. For me and others it's substituting self righteousness for the righteousness required by God. Romans makes it very clear no one can get this righteousness by keeping the law. Two well know people are used illustrating this point in chapter 4 name Abraham who didn't have the law and David who was required to keep the law and didn't as we know from the written record. Both are said to be righteous (without sin). This is true because they weren't charged. My Bible says sin remembered no more.
This in no way is intended as a slur against BR. It's a discussion about what he teaches.
I've been told only a fool would talk to and discuss with an SDA. They always win and are right. This just isn't so as you note. The main thing they do is hammer away. You should read buggy's testimony about his old SDA neighbor. They're under orders from their founder to not listen to anyone but her and their church. That is why there is this disconnected exchange here at CF.
And, I agree that every time commandments are written, an SDA or Messianic will jump to that conclusion and add the 4th to the content of the scripture that word, commandments, is in as in 1 John 3:23,
Excellent response.I've no objection to your butting into my exchange with BR. You do need some patience though. I post only in the earlier morning (before 10 at least).
BR and buggy have been here before on this point. BR can play like he doesn't know if he wants. There's a reason.
BR maintains Abraham had the law given to Israel and obeyed that law. The question isn't about morals here. It's about keeping the law issued to Israel at least in part.
Moses says very clearly no one prior to Israel had this law in verse 3. BR claims he did and that this law is and was from the beginning. Moses says otherwise. It's part of BR game plan to force the law in part on unsuspecting people to draw others to his religion. I know people don't believe this. They've got their head stuck in the sand.
BR also does this with Jeremiah 31. He won't or hasn't yet admitted to verse 32. Verse 32 is self defining of the word "new" in verse 31. This disallows for BR's concept the ten commandments are written on the heart. Both verses 31 and 32 indicate otherwise. Both verses are about contents and not movement or place the ten commandments (the covenant issued to Israel) are written. BR's and church's position is a person isn't a Christian unless they worship on Saturday. A few here see right through what BR posts and know the reason. They just can't come right out and say so anymore. If a person is paying attention here they'll see BR is attempting to draw people from Jesus to the law. This is why quotes from Revelation are posted. This is why BR insists everywhere the word commandment(s) is found it exclusively means the famous ten without exception. For me and others it's substituting self righteousness for the righteousness required by God. Romans makes it very clear no one can get this righteousness by keeping the law. Two well know people are used illustrating this point in chapter 4 name Abraham who didn't have the law and David who was required to keep the law and didn't as we know from the written record. Both are said to be righteous (without sin). This is true because they weren't charged. My Bible says sin remembered no more.
This in no way is intended as a slur against BR. It's a discussion about what he teaches.
I've been told only a fool would talk to and discuss with an SDA. They always win and are right. This just isn't so as you note. The main thing they do is hammer away. You should read buggy's testimony about his old SDA neighbor. They're under orders from their founder to not listen to anyone but her and their church. That is why there is this disconnected exchange here at CF.
Have you noticed they say "happy Sabbath" as a greeting? They never talk about Jesus. Well except BR usually ends his post with "in Christ." But where does He talk about or promote things like Jn 15:10 the words of Jesus? I had a thread titled "John 15:10" that is not to be found. BR did not want to talk about commandments in that thread. Make no mistake about it BR is not here to talk about commandments or God's Word. BR is here prompting his church and looking for converts. I have been here longer than BR and have much personal experience with other SDAs. In fact my old SDA neighbor tried weekly to convert me for ten long years. He even cussed me because he could not prove me wrong for 10 years. My experience and testimony concurs with Bob S's confession found in this section of the forum. Only they have never been able to deceive me. They have caught me off guard because of their approach. I do understand all religions like BR's use the same words with different meanings. They do things like say the law (specifically meaning the 10 Cs) then slyly change it to all law without mention of the word "all." The implication is clear to those of knowledge paying attention to detail.Thank you for this long explanation. I too was SDA, but it only took someone 3 hours for me to see the light. And I could be stubborn too.
And, I agree that every time commandments are written, an SDA or Messianic will jump to that conclusion and add the 4th to the content of the scripture that word, commandments, is in as in 1 John 3:23, even though it is Jesus on that side for our relationship with God. We are to worship Jesus, not the Sabbath (or even Sunday). He IS our Sabbath rest, not a day of the week.
Have you noticed they say "happy Sabbath" as a greeting? They never talk about Jesus. Well except BR usually ends his post with "in Christ." But where does He talk about or promote things like Jn 15:10 the words of Jesus? I had a thread titled "John 15:10" that is not to be found. BR did not want to talk about commandments in that thread. Make no mistake about it BR is not here to talk about commandments or God's Word. BR is here prompting his church and looking for converts. I have been here longer than BR and have much personal experience with other SDAs. In fact my old SDA neighbor tried weekly to convert me for ten long years. He even cussed me because he could not prove me wrong for 10 years. My experience and testimony concurs with Bob S's confession found in this section of the forum. Only they have never been able to deceive me. They have caught me off guard because of their approach. I do understand all religions like BR's use the same words with different meanings. They do things like say the law (specifically meaning the 10 Cs) then slyly change it to all law without mention of the word "all." The implication is clear to those of knowledge paying attention to detail.
You were raised SDA. Bob S, listed nor I were.
bugkiller
There're some interesting dynamics going on here for sure.Have you noticed they say "happy Sabbath" as a greeting? They never talk about Jesus. Well except BR usually ends his post with "in Christ." But where does He talk about or promote things like Jn 15:10 the words of Jesus? I had a thread titled "John 15:10" that is not to be found. BR did not want to talk about commandments in that thread. Make no mistake about it BR is not here to talk about commandments or God's Word. BR is here prompting his church and looking for converts. I have been here longer than BR and have much personal experience with other SDAs. In fact my old SDA neighbor tried weekly to convert me for ten long years. He even cussed me because he could not prove me wrong for 10 years. My experience and testimony concurs with Bob S's confession found in this section of the forum. Only they have never been able to deceive me. They have caught me off guard because of their approach. I do understand all religions like BR's use the same words with different meanings. They do things like say the law (specifically meaning the 10 Cs) then slyly change it to all law without mention of the word "all." The implication is clear to those of knowledge paying attention to detail.
You were raised SDA. Bob S, listed nor I were.
bugkiller
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