Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[bugkiller]

I think the problem is the word "law." I see the eternal law of God as this, to love God with all your strength, mind, and body, and your neighbor as yourself. And you know that is law.

However, when it comes to "commandments" you believe the Ten Commandments ARE the law, not just contains the law. They are the Old Covenant, but because they tell us what NOT to do, one automatically thinks on those things, and Romans 7 calls that the law of sin and death. Whereas, a positive commandment does not. Jesus' commandments of the New Covenant are positive. To believe on His Son, Jesus Christ and to love one another. These are the law of the Spirit.

That is why the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are not free from the eternal law of God to love Him and our neighbor, we are only free from the negative laws of what NOT to do.

You are a quick study.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 8 -- proving that the lost are at war with God and His Law.

Are you posting to the lost? It sure appears you are calling 1stcenturylady an unregenerate person just like you do me.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Trying to explain away TORAH is not a good idea.

No one here is trying to explain away the Torah (the law). Pro gracers merely have it in proper perspective.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 8 -- proving that the lost are at war with God and His Law.

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still

In Romans 3:19-20 Paul explains the term "UNDER the LAW" means condemned by the LAW as a sinner and going to hell.

So then in Romans 6 the point is made for those who are under the Gospel and no longer going to hell. Does Paul say in Romans 6 that continued rebellion against the LAW of God is going to work for Christians??

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.



1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

I think the problem is the word "law."

Jeremiah knew about God's Law - so did his readers.

Jer 31
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

However, when it comes to "commandments" you believe the Ten Commandments ARE the law, not just contains the law. .

That is "spin doctoring" -- I believe the LAW of God includes the TEN Commandments - so did Jeremiah and his readers believe the same thing while ALSO believing that the LAW of Moses in Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" was included AND ALSO believing that the LAW of Moses in Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" was ALSO included.

Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

Mark 7:6-13
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Traditions and commandments of "men" -- contrasted to the "Word of God" the "Commandment of God" -- "Moses said"

Are you posting to the lost?

Does a person have to be lost before they will accept scripture??

 

[1stcenturylady]

Jeremiah knew about God's Law - so did his readers.

Jer 31
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

(Repeat)

You like to quote Jeremiah, but the law mentioned is not what you think. The Ten Commandments didn't make anyone holy.

The ministry of death of 2 Cor. 3 is the law of sin and death of Romans 7 and 8. It was written on stone. It was the Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments Exodus 34:28.

We are not under the law of sin and death IF we walk in the Spirit and follow the Commandments of the New Covenant which are believing in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ and loving our neighbors as ourselves 1 John 3:23. That is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Romans 8:2. Jesus Christ is God. Those truly filled with the Holy Spirit do not obey the flesh, but the Spirit. (Swearing is of the flesh, if you were thinking of mentioning not taking the Lord's name in vain. Therefore, a mute point.)

Paul also shows in Galatians 5 what is expected in our New Covenant of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

16 "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another."

John 15:10 "10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."

Both of these sets of Commandments (the Commandments of Jesus, and the Commandments of the Father) are both based on the eternal law of God,
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.' 6 And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart."

Therefore when Jeremiah said His laws shall be written on our heart, this is what he foretold - the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. 1 John 3:23 "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."

These are a much stricter set of commandments. But Jesus gave us the power to keep walking in love - the Holy Spirit. Those under the Old Covenant of the laws of sin and death only had their own strength to keep the Ten Commandments, but they weren't hard to keep. You just didn't kill anybody, etc. But hating your enemies was permissible. The New Covenant brings us to a whole new level of obedience. It has the power to make us holy, for without holiness, no one will see God.

 

[BobRyan]

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.


1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

(Repeat)
You like to quote Jeremiah,

That is true - I do. New Covenant is a good thing for Christians.
So also does Paul like to quote that Jer 31:31-33 statement. See Hebrews 8:6-10

but the law mentioned is not what you think. The Ten Commandments didn't make anyone holy.

So then "do not take God's name in vain" is "IN' or "OUT" in your proposal??

The Still valid Law of God that we see in Romans 3:19-21 condemns all the world of lost sinners to the second death. Turns out - that is why everyone needs the Gospel

The ministry of death of 2 Cor. 3 is the law of sin and death kept external instead of written on the heart.

God's Law written on the heart STILL says "Do not take God's name in vain" -- the LAW is unchanged. Which is why Paul makes that argument in Romans 6... the part of my post you cut out.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.


1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"



That is true - I do. New Covenant is a good thing for Christians.
So also does Paul like to quote that Jer 31:31-33 statement. See Hebrews 8:6-10



So then "do not take God's name in vain" is "IN' or "OUT" in your proposal??

The Still valid Law of God that we see in Romans 3:19-21 condemns all the world of lost sinners to the second death. Turns out - that is why everyone needs the Gospel

The ministry of death of 2 Cor. 3 is the law of sin and death kept external instead of written on the heart.

God's Law written on the heart STILL says "Do not take God's name in vain" -- the LAW is unchanged. Which is why Paul makes that argument in Romans 6... the part of my post you cut out.

"So, is taking the name of God in vain in or out?" Try reading my post with understanding. That would be of the flesh, right? So, no! Dah!

Romans 8:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Bob, have you ever been baptized with God's Spirit? Or did you just memorize the Ten Commandments?

 

[Bob S]

The law was not given to Israel for salvation. Moses knew how salvation was obtained, he wrote of Abraham and how God saved him. The law was given by God the Father to Israel to make them a Holy Nation. Salvation came just as it did for Abraham.

Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” Ex 19:5-6

Sabbath keeping was part of the covenant agreement God and Israel made at Sinai. Again, keeping Sabbath and all the law had nothing to do with the salvation of any Israelite. Salvation was/is a separate issue, it was then and still is. Anyone telling us differently does not have a grasp on what the covenants are about.

The prophet of the SDAs wrote that indeed the Sabbath is a salvational issue. She was making that up and her followers will not delve into scripture to find the real truth.

 

[BobRyan]

"So, is taking the name of God in vain in or out?" Try reading my post with understanding. That would be of the flesh, right? So, no! Dah!

Romans 8:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Bob, have you ever been baptized with God's Spirit? Or did you just memorize the Ten Commandments?

Stepping around Romans 7 and James 2 ?? a bit?

James 2
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The point is not "make up whatever you 'feel' and call it the Holy Spirit" (as we both can see in James 2) -- but rather is "sin" is defined by the power and authority of "He who said" as scripture is being quoted - in this case the TEN Commandments.

Thus it is "STILL sin" to take God's name in vain.

And as we see in 1 John 3:4 -- EVEN in the NT SIN is defined as "transgression of the LAW".

Such that Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

 

[1stcenturylady]

Stepping around Romans 7 and James 2 ?? a bit?

James 2
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The point is not "make up whatever you 'feel' and call it the Holy Spirit" (as we both can see in James 2) -- but rather is "sin" is defined by the power and authority of "He who said" as scripture is being quoted - in this case the TEN Commandments.

Thus it is "STILL sin" to take God's name in vain.

And as we see in 1 John 3:4 -- EVEN in the NT SIN is defined as "transgression of the LAW".

Such that Paul can say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

What matters is keeping the commandments of Jesus, which are far stricter than any 'thou shalt not.' It is harder to love your neighbor as yourself, than merely not killing him. Any heathen can do that. But the only way you can love is by being baptized with the Holy Spirit, and if you think it is just a "feeling," I'm afraid you don't know anything about it. I certainly didn't when I was SDA. In fact, I never received even one answer to prayer. Now I never pray without God answering it. And I don't mean with an unscriptural, "No." It is the power of God to love and trust God, and being led by the Spirit, and especially to hear His voice.

In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[BobRyan]

What matters is keeping the commandments of Jesus,

In Hebrews 8:6-10 Paul tells us that Jesus's commandments are the TEN Commandments because He is the one speaking - at Sinai.

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"

which are far stricter than any 'thou shalt not.' It is harder to love your neighbor as yourself, than merely not killing him.

Ahh yes the Law of Moses "Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.

 

[1stcenturylady]

In Hebrews 8:6-10 Paul tells us that Jesus's commandments are the TEN Commandments because He is the one speaking - at Sinai.

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"



Ahh yes the Law of Moses "Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.

The LAW OF MOSES? LOL That is the eternal law of God. James calls the last six the ROYAL LAW. Wow, Bob, we are farther apart in our understanding than you know.

Hebrews 8:6-10 says the TC were not faultless, and why we have a New Covenant.

John 14 and 15 was written by the apostle John who wrote in his epistle just what commandments he was talking about, and they were NOT the TC. They were the gospel - believe on the name of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and love your neighbor as yourself." 1 John 3:23. What you call the law of Moses!

 

[1stcenturylady]

Ahh yes the Law of Moses "Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.

Moses wasn't mentioned, but Jesus is.

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

The only way to keep these is through the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, not the law of sin and death, the TC.

 

[BobRyan]

What matters is keeping the commandments of Jesus,

In Hebrews 8:6-10 Paul tells us that Jesus's commandments are the TEN Commandments because He is the one speaking - at Sinai.

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"

which are far stricter than any 'thou shalt not.' It is harder to love your neighbor as yourself, than merely not killing him.

Ahh yes the Law of Moses
"Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

Moses wasn't mentioned, but Jesus is.

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

The only way to keep these is through the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, not the law of sin and death, the TC.

More Bible please --

Matt 22
34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’(Deut 6:5) 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Moses wasn't mentioned,

Am leaving it as 'an exercise for the reader ' to see the transparent problem with that idea.

 

[BobRyan]

What matters is keeping the commandments of Jesus,

In Hebrews 8:6-10 Paul tells us that Jesus's commandments are the TEN Commandments because He is the one speaking - at Sinai.

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"

which are far stricter than any 'thou shalt not.' It is harder to love your neighbor as yourself, than merely not killing him.

Ahh yes the Law of Moses "Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.

The LAW OF MOSES? LOL That is the eternal law of God.

Same thing according to Christ (more Bible please).

6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Commandment of God = Moses Said = Word of God

Obviously.

It is by noting "obvious Bible details" that I remain SDA, walking in the Spirit as Paul says in Roman 8:4-10 instead of choosing rebellion against the Word of God.

 

[1stcenturylady]

In Hebrews 8:6-10 Paul tells us that Jesus's commandments are the TEN Commandments because He is the one speaking - at Sinai.

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"



Ahh yes the Law of Moses "Love our neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 as quoted and affirmed by Christ in Matthew 22.



Same thing according to Christ (more Bible please).

6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Commandment of God = Moses Said = Word of God

Obviously.

It is by noting "obvious Bible details" that I remain SDA, walking in the Spirit as Paul says in Roman 8:4-10 instead of choosing rebellion against the Word of God.

You already posted this, and I already answered you.

 

[Bob S]

2Cor3:7-11

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

According to Bob's last post Paul must have been, at the least, smokin some merry wanner when he wrote 2Cor 3:7-11

Paraphrasing Bob's second paragraph:

No wonder Jesus quotes His TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" when He is speaking in John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - Keep My Commandments"

it would read like this: No wonder Jesus quotes His ministry that brought death of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that"love me and keep the ministry that brought death" when He is speaking in John14:15 "If you love Me keep My ministry that brought death"

We can plainly see that Paul was telling us that the 10 were transitory, temporary commands. Temporary because the covenant which contained the 10 Commandments ended because Israel failed to live up to the agreement. Jesus didn't abolish the law, Israel did a great job of abolishing it on their own.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 2:38 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:2 How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death

1 John 3 New King James Version (NKJV)

1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave use commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15:10 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

My commandments: 1 John 3:23 believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another

Father’s commandments: The Ten Commandments

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments

Exodus 31:13 (sign of covenant) ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

1 Corinthians 11:25 (sign of NEW covenant) In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

 

[BobRyan]

You already posted this, and I already answered you.

Are you serious??

 

[BobRyan]

Paraphrasing Bob's second paragraph: it would read like this: No wonder Jesus quotes His ministry that brought death of Exodus 20:6 regarding those that"love me and keep the ministry that brought death" when He is speaking in John14:15 "If you love Me keep My ministry that brought death"

When you quote yourself like that -- I find your logic "illusive".

But this -- is clear
"do we then nullify the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Speaking of the SAME law in that in Rom 3:19-20 condemns the entire world as sinners

The same one being quoted from as "The LAW" in Romans 7.