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Featured Jerusalem Is The Whore Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. klutedavid

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    The great city sits on many waters, Jerusalem is inland.

    The great city rules other kings, Jerusalem was out of the game after AD 70.

    Revelation was written after AD 70.
     
  2. Truth7t7

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    Waters represents multitudes of people, not physical H20
     
  3. TribulationSigns

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    Sorry, you missed the point because you lacks spiritual discernment. God is not interested in a carnal and physical city, hills, sea, or world things.

    Think carefully, the great city is God's New Testament congregation, the church, where His Kings and priests reign with Him expanding His Kingdom on earth BY TRADE. What do you think Christians trade with? What did God empower them with? Isn't it the Gospel which her merchandises are signified of in Scripture?

     
  4. klutedavid

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    Jerusalem never ruled other nations, Rome ruled the nations of the world!
     
  5. klutedavid

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    The trade cargo is specified, the cargo does not include the gospel.
     
  6. TribulationSigns

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    Too bad that you do not see the Truth. Your mind is too carnally.

    Why do you think God said that when she is fallen, the merchants that were made rich by her stand far off from her in mourning? It is because the things that made them rich will no more be found in her? Because she is no longer the Church that rules over the kings, because this unfaithful (thus fornicating) Church is now fallen and become the habitation of devils. That is the whole point.

    Revelation 18:11-15
    • "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
    • The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
    • And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
    • And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
    • The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,"

    All the things in the Church that makes men rich, fat and goodly are now departed from this city Babylon, and she shall find them no more at all. She's down for the count. And it is a sad occasion to see the Church fall and these Kings and merchants who once lived richly with her stand afar off from her judgment, weeping and wailing for what she once was. She lacks the gospel of Salvation. In one hour is she become desolate.
     
  7. klutedavid

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    Obviously you have the correct interpretation, so could you explain the following passage?

    12 cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble, 13 and cinnamon and spice and incense and perfume and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and cargoes of horses and chariots and slaves and human lives.
     
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    It will be a long book to write about each merchandise. Tell me two merchandises to know that I will explain so you get an idea.
     
  10. klutedavid

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    Cinnamon and spice.
     
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    Common sense would tell us if the mountains were to taken as literal hills, the woman sitting upon them must be taken literally also?

    Inconsistency is the hallmark of error!

    So it is nonsensical to think of these seven mountains as literal little hills upon which Rome sits. If that were true, then one of these literal mountains hadn't even existed yet when Revelation was written, and another had already fallen at the time of the writing. That is how ridiculous it is, no matter what people may have thought based upon their tunnel vision. It makes no sense unless we read Scripture logically, circumspectly, and define scripture by comparing Scripture with Scripture. Not by the geographical hills, valleys of Italy, the ill feelings toward the Catholic Church of the day, or even what Wikipedia says!

    Revelation 17:9
    • "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."
    Tell me, what do the mountains in Scripture represents. (by the way, the hills are not correctly translated).
     
  13. Truth7t7

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    1 Kings 4:21-34
    21 And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.
    22 And Solomon's provision for one day was thirty measures of fine flour, and threescore measures of meal,
    23 Ten fat oxen, and twenty oxen out of the pastures, and an hundred sheep, beside harts, and roebucks, and fallowdeer, and fatted fowl.
    24 For he had dominion over all the region on this side the river, from Tiphsah even to Azzah, over all the kings on this side the river: and he had peace on all sides round about him.
    25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.
    26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
    27 And those officers provided victual for king Solomon, and for all that came unto king Solomon's table, every man in his month: they lacked nothing.
    28 Barley also and straw for the horses and dromedaries brought they unto the place where the officers were, every man according to his charge.
    29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.
    30 And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.
    31 For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.
    32 And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five.
    33 And he spake of trees, from the cedar tree that is in Lebanon even unto the hyssop that springeth out of the wall: he spake also of beasts, and of fowl, and of creeping things, and of fishes.
    34 And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.
     
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  14. klutedavid

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    The woman is a false bride of Christ, just as the nation of Israel committed adultery with the surrounding Gods and idols.

    I wonder why you do not see the nation of Israel as a pure spiritual entity?

    The literature in Revelation is definitely talking about a great city, a present and future city. A great city that followers of Jesus must be wary of. We can know which, 'great city', that John is referring to, by examining the description of that city in detail.

    For example, the great city rules over the kings of the earth!
     
  15. klutedavid

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    This passage is not talking about ruling other kings and nations, this is about hearing wisdom.

    I will ask you again, did Jerusalem ever rule over the kings of the world?
     
  16. Truth7t7

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    He not only ruled the kings of earth, they sat at his feet for guidance and wisdom "Willfully"

    You think ruling is by oppression and the sword? Big Smiles
     
  17. klutedavid

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    Solomon did not reign over other kings.

    Revelation 17:18
    The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

    You must touch each element of the revelation of the whore, the great city.

    If your whore does not rule over the kings of the earth, then you have the wrong whore.

    Keep smiling.
     
  18. Truth7t7

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    Jerusalem a "Trivial" city?

    Tell that to the current UN, that has used 7/10 historical emergency meetings directly related to your proclaimed "Trivial" city.
    Calling "World Leaders" to meet.
     
  19. Truth7t7

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    Revelation 17:18
    The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

    Revelation 11:8
    And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
     
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  20. klutedavid

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    Jerusalem is a small city and certainly not a great city.

    Think New York, Tokyo, London, or Rome.

    Jerusalem is a big town, not a great city.

    Jerusalem does not have the exports listed.
     
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