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  1. he-man

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    The Septuagint constantly translated the Hebrew plural name Elohim, when used for the true God, by the singular Theós, "God", never by the plural "theoi", meaning "gods."

    The primary reason for this is that the Hebrew word "elohim" is a plural of majesty, but the noun itself is singular. Plural of majesty emphasizes the greatness of the noun elohim. Therefore the Hebrew word "elohim" would mean, "Mighty one of mighty ones."

    The word "theós" also denotes the heathen gods or idols (Acts 14:11; 1 Cor. 8:5); magistrates (John 10:34, 35); by false application to Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4); to the belly which some people make their god or in which they place their supreme happiness (Philippians 3:19).

    2 Cor 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients. (Wakefield, Adam Clarke Commentary)

    The King James translators made the same erroneous translation of the covenant name of the Almighty. They changed the name "Yahweh", which means, He is," to the Anglo-Saxon word, "LORD." Why? They cared less about the truth of scripture than orthodoxy, and they decided to conform and relate to their manmade tradition. It was too much work, too big a leap of faith, and too unorthodox to step outside of their paradigms and comfort zone. "The Origin of the English Word for God," Part One Craig Bluemel
    It is stated that Moses hid his face and was afraid to look upon God, who announced Himself from the bush as "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"; yet in the second verse, we read that "the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of the bush"; so that agency was angelic, though the power was of God.

    Again, in the instance already cited, Jacob says that he had "seen God face to face"; while from Hosea we find that it was not the Most High God that Jacob saw, but one of the Elohim, or angels. The prophet (Hosea xii, 3, 4) referring to the incident, says, "Jacob by strength had power with God; yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed."

    The angels are referred to by David in these words-- "Bless the Lord, ye His angels, that excel in strength, that do His commandments, hearkening unto the voice of His word" (Psalm 103:20).
    Three of them appeared to Abraham (Gen. 18:1-5) and he futher states "And the men said unto Abraham, So do as thou hast said. And Abraham took butter and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."
    Heb.13:2, says: "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels UNAWARES."
    1Sa 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul,
    Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
    12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning:

    Exo 16:3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD
    Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
    43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will render vengeance to His adversaries, and will be merciful unto His land, and to His people.

    John 8:28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. "And then this disciple [John] believed."

    Jn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    Luke 24:36-39 And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and said unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are you troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

    What then does he mean by the Spirit?
    John 6:63... the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.
    John 14:10 Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works.
    12 ..He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father.
    42 ..but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that you have sent me.
    Matthew 16:17 ..for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father which is in heaven.
    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him.. John 14:23 .. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our garden <3438> with him.
     
  2. 3 Angels Messages

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    That is because the LXX, the Septuagint [Greek OT], was written for the Greeks, which, having a different mindset and had pantheons of gods [devils], and those who translated from Hebrew to the Greek made sure that the understanding of the scriptures as they are given in the Hebrew/Aramaic came across, and so reveal that GOD [YHVH] is 'one' ['unity' of FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT] and not in disharmony like the so many pagan pantheons [1 Corinthians 8:5; etc].

    If the LXX had translated it as such [pluralized], the Greeks would have considered YHVH GOD, like as unto their pantheons [many 'gods'].

    For instance, the Hebrew is plural in Exodus 20:3, when speaking of false 'gods', and in the LXX it keeps the plural when speaking of those false gods:

    Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3 KJV

    Hebrew Exodus 20:3
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    ouk esontai soi qeoi eteroi plhn emou Exodus 20:3 LXX

    "qeoi" is continued plural into the Greek, indicating their division.

    But we know that YHVH GOD is not as such as they, divided, [See Deuteronomy 6:4; etc], and so although in the Hebrew texts the word is plural for YHVH GOD, in the LXX, it is purposefully made singular to show that GOD is unlike those pagan pantheons in their complete disunity. Case in point look one verse previous, when speaking of YHVH GOD:

    I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exodus 20:2 KJV

    Hebrew Exodus 20:2
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    egw eimi kurios o qeos sou ostis exhgagon se ek ghs aiguptou ex oikou douleias Exodus 20:2 LXX

    So, although in the Hebrew, in both texts the word is plural, Elohim, in the LXX [Greek] it is purposefully made known for the Greek mindset that GOD is unlike those 'gods'. For more see even from the beginning:

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 KJV

    Hebrew Genesis 1:1 [Hebrew plurality; Elohim, when speaking of YHVH GOD]
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    en arch epoihsen o qeos ton ouranon kai thn ghn Genesis 1:1 LXX [Greek singular; Theos, when speaking of YHVH GOD]

    Additionally looking at the Deuteronomy 6:4 text:

    Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

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    akoue israhl kurios o qeos hmwn kurios eis estin" Deuteronomy 6:4;p LXX

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    "...Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29;p KJV

    o de ihsous apekriqh autw oti prwth paswn twn entolwn akoue israhl kurioV o qeoV hmwn kurioV eiV estin Mark 12:29 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    The Hebrew [Deuteronomy 6:4] reads:

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    ShM'y YShUr'aL YHVH 'aLHYNV YHVH 'aChD. Deuteronomy 6:4; Hebrew Transliterated

    The word for 'one' in this passage is "'aChD"
    ['echad] [unity, oneness, togetherness, also can be one numerical, like the word 'bunch', or 'family' is singular but indicating multiple, and can indicate one numerically, for instance there are no other gods besides GOD, for the LORD [YHVH] is GOD and there is no other] and yet this passage does not use "yachid" [absolute one numerical, solitary], nor "bad" [apart, alone]. Are there any biblical passages which use the word "yachid" in connection to YHVH?

    Elohim: The Hebrew is plural of 'elowahh [revealing multiple persons in unity, in character, in love, etc], and the LXX carries the same message across in different ways, but is still present, like as unto 2 human persons, male and female, united in marriage covenant, 2 persons now in unity, 'one' flesh.

    The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 1 Corinthians 7:4

    Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Ephesians 5:21

    So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. Ephesians 5:28

    For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Ephesians 5:29

    Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband. Ephesians 5:33


    Consider further:


    Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24 KJV

    eneken toutou kataleiyei anqrwpos ton patera autou kai thn mhtera autou kai proskollhqhsetai pros thn gunaika autou kai esontai oi duo eis sarka mian Genesis 2:24 LXX

    And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 19:5 KJV

    kai eipen eneken toutou kataleiyei anqrwpoV ton patera kai thn mhtera kai proskollhqhsetai th gunaiki autou kai esontai oi duo eiV sarka mian Matthew 19:5 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31 KJV

    anti toutou kataleiyei anqrwpoV ton patera autou kai thn mhtera kai proskollhqhsetai proV thn gunaika autou kai esontai oi duo eiV sarka mian Ephesians 5:31 Stepehens 1550 Textus Receptus
     
  3. 3 Angels Messages

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    To continue to force the word "elohim' to always mean angels [created beings of the heavenly host], is injustice to the context and text themselves; for the word angel simply means messenger at its root level.

    Those passages have already been cited as evidence previously that JESUS is the Elohim mentioned, the very "Angel of the Lord". Please go back and peruse the texts given, for they reveal that they did see GOD face to face, not the FATHER, but the SON, who is the "messenger" [angel; not created being, simply messenger] of the FATHER.

    JESUS is MICHAEL [as already cited previously] [Uncreated, Creator; GOD the SON], I would ask that you [or any] please read through it :

    CHRIST JESUS - GOD THE SON - MICHAEL ARCHANGEL [Study]


    John clarifies his own statement on "no man has seen God" here in the parallel passage, Line upon line:

    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. - John 1:18

    Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. - John 6:46

    Jesus speaks to the whole Nation from Heaven at Mt. Sinai in the giving of the Ten Commandments:

    And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice. Deuteronomy 4:12

    Even in the very verse that was quoted, Deuteronomy 4:12 (above), notice who spoke, "the Lord" out of the midst of the fire. Meaning He, who descended, God the Son, was in the midst of it.

    Exodus 3:2 goes with:

    And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I. - Exodus 3:4

    And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground. - Exodus 3:5 (compare also to Joshua 5:15)

    Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. - Exodus 3:6
     
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    Again, related to other texts, as already revealed.

    CHRIST JESUS, who from eternity being in the form of GOD, at one point took on the form of a servant, humbling himself:

    Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3

    Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

    But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Philippians 2:7

    And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:8

    Christ Jesus conquered temptation, being made in the likeness of sinful flesh, conquered sin in the flesh, by relying upon the FATHER by/through the HOLY SPIRIT.

    As for John 14:28:

    Greater, denoting position, not nature. To submit is not to denote 'better'. Like as a woman and a man in marriage, both equal in nature [humanity] yet one Head.

    The definition that is usually given: "Greater as in authority - to submit 1) to arrange under, to subordinate 2) to subject, put in subjection 3) to subject oneself, obey 4) to submit to one's control 5) to yield to one's admonition or advice 6) to obey, be subject"; again does not detract nor take one thing away from the Nature of JESUS being GOD (the SON), and now also having the eternal Nature of a man (HE is both forever GOD and MAN).

    Ask yourself why He has so done this? I ask again, since it is obvious that He has now submitted to the Father, "What was His position before He 'humbled Himself' and "took the form of a servant'? Please consider this question. From what position has He 'humbled Himself' to take such a position as "servant"? We cannot say 'angel' (speaking of the created heavenly beings, though the word means so much more than this) for an angel is already a servant and nor can He be a created being of any other. The text also reads, 'He took not on the Nature of Angels' (Hebrews 2:16). Any being that is created is already a servant of GOD and amenable to His Law. In fact, no created being could ever have been the substitute for man.

    CHRIST JESUS, [in humanity] relied upon the FATHER, and not HIS own divinity, GODHEAD, for HE is an example for us.

    Consider:

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

    I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:6

    Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:8

    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father? John 14:9

    CHRIST JESUS came to manifest the glory, name and character of the FATHER, even as HE always does:

    And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Exodus 33:19

    And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. Exodus 34:5

    And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Exodus 34:6

    Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation]. Exodus 34:7

    And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. Exodus 34:8

    JESUS CHRIST, the LORD [YHVH the SON] descended and proclaimed the name of the LORD, [YHVH the FATHER]... the very name, character, glory they share, even as does the [YHVH the] HOLY SPIRIT, 3 persons.

    The FATHER witnessed of the SON, the SON witnessed of HIMSELF, and the HOLY SPIRIT witnessed of the SON [CHRIST JESUS], each witnessing that JESUS is GOD [texts already cited previously], and...

    [of extreme importance] ... for CHRIST JESUS can only witness of the FATHER having been with the FATHER from eternity.

    If ever there was a moment of eternity past that CHRIST JESUS did not exist with the FATHER [negating John 1:1-->] then HE could not be such a witness, for that means that there would have been existence for which JESUS can not be witness of... HE could not know the total Character of the FATHER... and could therefore not testify of HIM [the FATHER] as HE is...
     
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    he-man he-man

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    and so although in the Hebrew texts the word is singular for YHVH GOD, and in the LXX, it is also made singular to show that GOD is unlike those pagan pantheons in their complete disunity.

    The Septuagint constantly translated the Hebrew plural name Elohim, when used for the true God, by the singular Theós, "God", never by the plural "theoi", meaning "gods."

    The primary reason for this is that the Hebrew word "elohim" is a plural of majesty, but the noun itself is singular. Plural of majesty emphasizes the greatness of the noun elohim. Therefore the Hebrew word "elohim" would mean, "Mighty one of mighty ones."

    The word "theós" also denotes the heathen gods or idols (Acts 14:11; 1 Cor. 8:5); magistrates (John 10:34, 35); by false application to Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4); to the belly which some people make their god or in which they place their supreme happiness (Philippians 3:19).

    2 Cor 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients. (Wakefield, Adam Clarke Commentary)

    The King James translators made the same erroneous translation of the covenant name of the Almighty. They changed the name "Yahweh", which means, He is," to the Anglo-Saxon word, "LORD." Why? They cared less about the truth of scripture than orthodoxy, and they decided to conform and relate to their manmade tradition. It was too much work, too big a leap of faith, and too unorthodox to step outside of their paradigms and comfort zone. "The Origin of the English Word for God," Part One Craig Bluemel
    The word is Yahweh, NOT Lord.
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    I, Yahweh, the God who took you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondsmen
    De 4:35 Unto you it was revealed, that you might understand since Jehovah, He is God; there is none else besides Him.
    De 6:4 Hear Israel, Yahweh Jehovah is one God (nm. one, mono-; single)

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    The LXX was already explained previously here:

    http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59370472

    Even the LXX, as previously quoted from, uses the word "kurios" [LORD] for the Hebrew 'YHVH'. The King James carefully, reverently and sparingly used the Hebrew Transliteration, since the writers were primarily Jewish [except for Luke and Acts; written by Luke, a gentile physician/historian].

    Consider carefully...

    Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,
    but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

    No man can say that CHRIST JESUS is LORD... but by the HOLY SPIRIT... not only is CHRIST JESUS, master and teacher, but LORD and GOD, the very Shepherd of the Sheep.

    The greek word used in 1 Corinthians 12:3, is the very same word that the LXX uses, "kurios" [LORD]. Even as Isaiah 40:3 ["The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."] seen being quoted in the four Gospels. 'YHVH' is translated there by the Gospel writers, under direction of the HOLY SPIRIT, "kurios".

    The Prophet Isaiah knew who was to come:

    The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3

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    The word for "LORD" in Isaiah 40:3 is the Hebrew Tetragrammaton "&#1497;&#1456;&#1492;&#1465;&#1493;&#1464;&#1492;", "YHWH/YHVH" or Jehovah...and directly quoted 4 times in the NT:

    For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3

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    outoV gar estin o rhqeiV upo hsaiou tou profhtou legontoV fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Matthew 3:3 Greek

    The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mark 1:3

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    fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Mark 1:3 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

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    Greek

    wV gegraptai en biblw logwn hsaiou tou profhtou legontos fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Luke 3:4Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:23

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    efh egw fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw euqunate thn odon kuriou kaqwV eipen hsaiaV o profhthV John 1:23Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    Let us look further into the scriptures...

    Let us look at the "Alpha and Omega" and ask some simple questions which can be determined by the scripture alone...knowing that the scripture "cannot be broken" [John 10:35], but first:

    Who hath wrought and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I [am] he. Isaiah 41:4

    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God. Isaiah 44:6

    Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am] he; I [am] the first, I also [am] the last. Isaiah 48:12

    According to scripture alone, who in these (above) passages is the "First and the Last"? It is YHWH - the LORD.

    And
    when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: Revelation 1:17

    I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:18

    And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; Revelation 2:8

    According to scripture alone, who in these (above) passages is the "First and the Last"? It is JESUS CHRIST who is "First and the Last"

    I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 22:13

    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16 (if seeking the translation from the NWT, please notice where the quote marks (singles and doubles) actually begin and end here...and who it is that is speaking still from verse 13 and on into verse 16...it is JESUS, who sent HIS angel, it is JESUS who is coming quickly, by HIS own admission and by John's.)

    According to scripture alone, who in these (above) passages is the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last"? It is JESUS CHRIST.

    Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong [hand], and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward [is] with him, and his work before him. Isaiah 40:10

    For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matthew 16:27

    Who is coming with the reward? It is JESUS CHRIST in all Glory, with HIS reward.

    He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young. Isaiah 40:11 [see also John 10:11,14 for another reference to the "good shepherd"]

    Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. Colossians 3:24

    And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Revelation 22:12

    According to scriptures alone, who in these (above) passages is going to "come" and "reward"? Again it is JESUS CHRIST.

    Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 1 Timothy 6:15

    These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful. Revelation 17:14

    And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:16

    According to scripture alone, who in these (above) passages is "King of Kings" and "Lord of Lords"? JESUS CHRIST again.
     
  7. 3 Angels Messages

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    A list:

    God never changes.
    Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
    Jesus never changes.
    Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. [see the context that Paul is quoting from and linking it to...]

    God is the only Saviour.
    "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
    To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12
    God our Saviour. Titus 2:10
    ...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10
    God my Saviour. Luke 1:47
    Jesus is the only Saviour.
    ...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
    ...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18
    ...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1
    ...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42
    ...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4
    a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11
    Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    --Acts 4:12
    ...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
    --2 Timothy 2:10
    ...captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings.
    -- Heb 2:10
    [Jesus]...author of eternal salvation...
    -- Heb 5:9

    God created the universe and earth by Himself.

    I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24
    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
    Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
    nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10
    y him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16
    All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3

    God is the Word.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1
    Jesus is the Word.
    ...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14

    God is the first and the last.
    I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4
    Jesus is the first and the last.
    Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

    God forgives sins.
    [T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities... Psalm 103:2-3
    "[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7
    Jesus forgives sins.
    Jesus...said..."Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:5

    God is our redeemer.
    [T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16
    Jesus redeemed us.
    [T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14

    God is from everlasting.
    The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Psalms 93:1-2
    Jesus is from everlasting.
    But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah...out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2

    Only God is glorified.
    I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isaiah 42:8
    Jesus is glorified.
    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
    [A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23
    But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

    God is 'I am'.
    And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
    Jesus is 'I am'.
    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

    God heals all diseases.
    Bless the LORD...who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2
    Jesus heals all diseases.
    [Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16

    God is the Judge of the whole earth.
    O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2
    [Abraham to God]...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25
    Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth.
    [T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

    Jehovah (Yahweh) knows “all things.” (1 John 3:20; Psalm 147:5)
    Jesus knows “all things.” (John 16:30)

    Jehovah is the only one who knows the hearts of all men. (1 Kings 8:39; Jeremiah 17:9-10)
    Jesus knows the hearts of all men. (John 2:24-25; Rev. 2:18, 23)

    Jehovah is our sanctifier. (Exodus 31:13)
    Jesus sanctifies us. (Hebrews 10:10)

    Jehovah is our peace. (Judges 6:23)
    Jesus is our peace. (Ephesians 2:14)

    Jehovah is our righteousness. (Jeremiah 23:6)
    Jesus is our righteousness. ( 1 Corinthians 1:30)

    Jehovah is our healer. (Exodus 15:26)
    Jesus heals us. (Acts 9:34)

    Jehovah God dwells in us. (2 Corinthians 6:16)
    Jesus is in us. (Romans 8:10)

    Jehovah is the giver of life who will not allow His people to be “snatched” out of His hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39)
    Jesus is the giver of life who will not allow His people to be “snatched” out of His hand. (John 10:28)

    Jehovah’s voice is “like the roar of rushing waters.” (Ezekiel 43:2)
    Jesus’ “voice was like the sound of rushing waters.” (Revelation 1:15)

    Jehovah is present everywhere. (Proverbs 15:3; Jeremiah 23:24; I Kings 8:27)
    Jesus is omnipresent. (John 1:48; Matthew 18:20; 28:20)

    Jehovah is the only God we are to “serve.” (2 Kings 17:35)
    Jesus is to be served. (Col. 3:24)

    Jehovah is the only God to be “worshipped.” (Exodus 34:14)
    Jesus receives the same honor and “worship” that the Father receives. (John 5:23; Revelation 5:11-14- compare with Rev. 4:10-11)

    Jehovah the Lord is to be set apart as holy. (Isaiah 8:12b-13)
    Jesus as Jehovah is to be set apart as holy. (1 Peter 3:14b-15a)

    Jehovah’s glory is not to be given to another. (Isaiah 42:8)
    Jesus shares Jehovah’s glory. (Jn. 17:5)

    Jehovah and prayer. (Exodus 23:13)
    Jesus and prayer. (John 14:14)

    Jehovah “the true God” is called “eternal life.” (1 John 5:20; John 17:3)
    Jesus is "the true God" called “the eternal life.” (Jeremiah 10:10; 1 John 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:9, etc)

    Jehovah is the “mighty God.” (Jeremiah 32:17-18; Isaiah 10:20-21)
    Jesus is the “mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) who is “Almighty.” (Revelation 1:7-8)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. (1 Timothy 1:17; Isaiah 44:8)

    Jehovah is an “everlasting light.” (Psalm 27:1; Isaiah 60:19-20)
    Jesus is the light of men and the everlasting light of the future city. (John 1:4-9; Revelation 21:23)

    Jehovah is “the first and the last.” (Isaiah 44:6; 48:12)
    Jesus is the “first and the last.” (Revelation 1:17-18; 22:12-13, 20)

    Jehovah is the “Alpha and the Omega.” (Revelation 1:8; Revelation 21:6-7)
    Jesus is the “Alpha and the Omega.” (Revelation 1:11, 22:12-13, 20)

    Jehovah’s title is “the Holy One.” (Isaiah 47:4)
    Jesus is “the Holy One.” (Acts 3:14; John 6:69)

    Jehovah is the “stumbling stone” of Israel. (Isaiah 8:13-15)
    Jesus is the “stumbling stone” of Israel. (1 Peter 2:6-8)

    Jehovah is Lord of the elements. (Psalm 89:8-9)
    Jesus is Lord of the elements. (Matthew 8:26-27; John 2:7-9)

    Jehovah is the great Judge who gives life to whom he wishes and who renders to each man “according” to his “deeds.” (Psalm 98:9; Deuteronomy 32:39; Jeremiah 17:9-10)
    Jesus is the only judge who gives life to whom he wishes and renders to each man “according” to his “deeds.” (John 5:21-22; Revelation 2:18, 23)

    Jehovah is the only one who can forgive sins. (Mark 2:7; Daniel 9:9)
    Jesus forgives sins. (Mark 2:10-11; Luke 24:46-47)

    Jehovah is the great “shepherd” who leads his people to “the spring of the water of life.”
    (Psalm 23:1-2; Revelation 21:6-7)
    Jesus as the “shepherd” of His people, leads them “to springs of the water of life.”
    (John 10:11-18; Revelation 7:17)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE SHEPHERD --John 10:16.

    Jehovah is “Lord of Lords.” (Deuteronomy 10:17)
    Jesus is “Lord of Lords.” (Revelation 17:14; 19:16)

    The Father is Lord of all. (Matthew 11:25; Acts 17:24)
    Jesus is “Lord of all.” (Acts 10:36)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. (Jude 4)

    Jehovah is the Savior. (Isaiah 45:21-22)
    Jesus is the Savior. (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE SAVIOR. (Isaiah 43:11)

    Jehovah created the universe. (Psalm 102:25-27)
    Jesus created the universe. (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-19;10. Hebrews 1:10-12)
    THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR. (Isaiah 44:24)

    GOD walks on water in Genesis, in Job and in Gospels. JESUS is LORD of the Sabbath, the 7th day, the same day given in the 10 Commandments.

    ...and the comparisons go on and on [as well as texts for the above]...
     
  8. 3 Angels Messages

    3 Angels Messages Well-Known Member

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    As for the so-called '
    pluralis majestaticus' or 'pluralis excellentiae' [It is also called the royal pronoun, the royal "we" or the Victorian "we."] response, please re-consider the position, and the history of its use and origins. It is not a 'royal we' [plural of majesty], for that concept came way, way later than the OT...

    ...the OT nowhere contains a verb or pronoun used in connection with a 'plural of majesty' and the verb 'asah' [such as Genesis 1:26;p, "...
    God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." ] is never used with a 'plural of majesty'.

    Please consider - http://www.auss.info/auss_publication_file.php?pub_id=511&journal=1&type=pdf

    Even as said by others, the 'plural of majesty' originated way too late as a concept to be employed [retrograde] in the OT - Systematic Theology - Louis Berkhof - Google Books
    or also see http://books.google.com/books?id=2z...Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=The Great Mystery&f=false

    ...and while the following website is not generally recommended [for other reasons], I do recommend reading through this particular page at least once: Trinity: "Plural of Majesty", "pluralis majestaticus", "singular of intensity", the "Royal we".

    It becomes something very serious when anyone begins to explain away something so simple in the Bible as "us, our and we" in reference to YHVH GOD, and even more dangerous when the 'new' rendition used in the 'explanation' causes more harm to the text itself, and to their own theological position, than simply accepting what it plainly teaches and says, and understand that GOD is infinitely more mysterious [and Awe-some] than man can truly comprehend [though we can know what we have been given]. For instance, even the Jehovah's Witnesses [and unitarians, arians, etc] will [generally] fully admit that CHRIST JESUS was there, in the beginning, at the Creation of the World, with the FATHER, and that even according to these, that all things [at least other than CHRIST JESUS, according to their own definition], was made through and by CHRIST JESUS. So, it is obvious in one place they will admit the "us, our and we" so long as JESUS is not GOD, but in argumentation where JESUS is said to be GOD, all of a sudden the "us, our and we" becomes 'plural of majesty'... strange indeed... and counter-productive to their own theology...

    ...case in point [from the WatchTower.org [note by 3 Angels Messages: dangerous theology ahead]]: "... So, too, when God used "us" and "our", he was simply addressing another individual, his first spirit creation, the master craftsman, the prehuman Jesus." - What Does the Bible Say About God and Jesus? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site

    ...by the way, is JESUS also using the 'plural of majesty' here:

    Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. John 3:11

    Again, the disciples weren't around, and they knew nothing of the Heavenly, nor of eternity, for they had not come from there, but CHRIST JESUS had...


    ... as can be seen the late concept of 'plural of majesty' cannot be maintained and falls apart...
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2011
  9. he-man

    he-man he-man

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    There is no US or WE in Ge 1:26 And God commanded and caused to bring about man in His image, in likeness: to rule over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and to make the beast, and all the earth, and everything all reptiles all insects upon the earth.

    After the use of the singular number in
    Joh_3:3, Joh_3:5, Joh_3:7, Joh_3:12, the plural here is noteworthy. It is not merely rhetorical - "a plural of majesty" - but is explained by Joh_3:8, "every one that is born of the Spirit." The new birth imparts a new vision. The man who is born of the Spirit hath eternal life (Joh_3:36); and life eternal is to know God and Jesus Christ whom He hath sent (Joh_17:3). "Ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and ye know (&#959;&#953;&#787;&#769;&#948;&#945;&#964;&#949;) all things" (1Jo_2:20). He who is born of water and of the Spirit sees the kingdom of God. This we therefore includes, with Jesus, all who are truly born anew of the Spirit. Jesus meets the we know of Nicodemus (Joh_3:2), referring to the class to which he belonged, with another we know, referring to another class, of which He was the head and representative. We know (&#959;&#953;&#787;&#769;&#948;&#945;&#956;&#949;&#957;), absolutely. See on Joh_2:24. [VWS]
    the plural here is noteworthy. It is not merely rhetorical - "a plural of majesty" - but is explained by Joh_3:8, "every one that is born of the Spirit." The Septuagint constantly translated the Hebrew plural name Elohim, when used for the true God, by the singular Theós, "God", never by the plural "theoi", meaning "gods."

    The primary reason for this is that the Hebrew word "elohim" is a plural of majesty, but the noun itself is singular. Plural of majesty emphasizes the greatness of the noun elohim. Therefore the Hebrew word "elohim" would mean, "Mighty one of mighty ones."


    Dear one consider Lu 21:36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be eligible1 to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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  10. 3 Angels Messages

    3 Angels Messages Well-Known Member

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    Genesis 1:26 was in reference to 'asah'...

    ...but here again:

    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:... Genesis 1:26

    Even after citing as much evidence as was given, none of the main points are addressed at all, and that which is addressed continually and completely undermines the position held by those advocating a 'created' Son and was directly shown that HE [the SON] was there at creation with the FATHER, and it was the SON who created all things [again as was evidenced, even from the official WatchTower.org, that FATHER was speaking directly to the SON, hence "us", "our", without any reference to a so-called 'plural of majesty'].

    Again, the LXX was already dealt with, even specifically, with examples, especially upon its uses and terms [theos, theoi], even dealing with Kurios and YHVH. I, again, refer back to that post - http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-27/#post59370472

    Quoting from [VWS] [a commentary] again seriously hurts and directly undermines the position that CHRIST JESUS is supposed to be 'created':

    [Vincent's Word Studies, by Marvin R. Vincent (1834&#8211;1922), [1886]
    ] is again a source far too late to try to introduce 'plural of majesty' [retograde] into the OT.

    "
    VINCENT, Marvin Richardson, clergyman, born in Poughkeepsie, New York, 11 September, 1834. He is the son of a Methodist clergyman, and was graduated at Columbia in 1854, and for the ensuing four years was associated with Charles Anthon in the direction of Columbia college grammar-school. In 1858 he went to Troy, New York, as professor of languages in the Methodist university, where he remained four years. He studied theology privately, entered the Methodist Episcopal ministry in 1860, and in 1862 became pastor of a church in Brooklyn, New York His religious views having changed, he attached himself to the Presbyterian church, and on 18 June, 1863, he was installed as pastor of a church of that denomination in Troy. This he left in Nay, 1873, to enter upon the pastorate of the Church of the Covenant in New York city, which he left in 1888 to accept a professorship in the Union theological seminary, New York city. He received the degree of D. D. from Union college in 1868. Dr. Vincent, while in Troy university, in collaboration with his colleague, Charlton T. Lewis, translated into English Johann Albrecht Bengel's "Gnomon of the New Testament" (2 vols., Philadelphia, 1860-'2). He has since published, besides single sermons, tracts, and review articles, "Amusement a Force in Christian Training" (1867);" The Two Prodigals" (1876) ; "Gates into the Psalm-Country," a series of discourses (1878) ; "Stranger and Guest," a book of tracts (1879); "Faith and Character" (1880) ; "The Minister's Handbook" (1882); " In the Shadow of the Pyrenees," a volume of travels (1883); "God and Bread," sermons (1884); " The Expositor in the Pulpit" (1884); "Christ as a Teacher" (1886); and "Word-Studies in the New Testament" (3 vols., 1887-'9)."Edited Appletons Encyclopedia, Copyright © 2001 VirtualologyTM
    - Marvin Richardson Vincent

    Which means Mr. Vincent [as moving around as he was], was a firm believer in CHRIST JESUS as GOD [the SON], which means he was 'Trinitarian' [thus completely overturning any amount of argument of trying to use his [commentary] work in some way to say CHRIST JESUS is created]... I quote from the same source you have [but this time on John 1:1]:

    "In the beginning was (&#949;&#787;&#957; &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#834;&#837; &#951;&#787;&#834;&#957;) With evident allusion to the first word of Genesis. But John elevates the phrase from its reference to a point of time, the beginning of creation, to the time of absolute pre-existence before any creation, which is not mentioned until Joh 1:3. This beginning had no beginning (compare Joh 1:3; Joh 17:5; Jo1 1:1; Eph 1:4; Pro 8:23; Psa 90:2). This heightening of the conception, however, appears not so much in &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#769;, beginning, which simply leaves room for it, as in the use of &#951;&#787;&#834;&#957;, was, denoting absolute existence (compare &#949;&#953;&#787;&#956;&#953;&#769;, I am, Joh 8:58) instead of &#949;&#787;&#947;&#949;&#769;&#957;&#949;&#964;&#959;, came into being, or began to be, which is used in Joh 1:3, Joh 1:14, of the coming into being of creation and of the Word becoming flesh. Note also the contrast between &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#769;, in the beginning, and the expression &#945;&#787;&#960;' &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#834;&#962;, from the beginning, which is common in John's writings (Joh 8:44; Jo1 2:7, Jo1 2:24; Jo1 3:8) and which leaves no room for the idea of eternal pre-existence. "In Gen 1:1, the sacred historian starts from the beginning and comes downward, thus keeping us in the course of time. Here he starts from the same point, but goes upward, thus taking us into the eternity preceding time" (Milligan and Moulton). See on Col 1:15. This notion of "beginning" is still further heightened by the subsequent statement of the relation of the Logos to the eternal God. The &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#769; must refer to the creation - the primal beginning of things; but if, in this beginning, the Logos already was, then he belonged to the order of eternity. "The Logos was not merely existent, however, in the beginning, but was also the efficient principle, the beginning of the beginning. The &#945;&#787;&#961;&#967;&#951;&#769; (beginning), in itself and in its operation dark, chaotic, was, in its idea and its principle, comprised in one single luminous word, which was the Logos. And when it is said the Logos was in this beginning, His eternal existence is already expressed, and His eternal position in the Godhead already indicated thereby" (Lange). "Eight times in the narrative of creation (in Genesis) there occur, like the refrain of a hymn, the words, And God said. John gathers up all those sayings of God into a single saying, living and endowed with activity and intelligence, from which all divine orders emanate: he finds as the basis of all spoken words, the speaking Word" (Godet)." [[SIZE=-1]Vincent's Word Studies, by Marvin R. Vincent, [1886], at sacred-texts.com[/SIZE]] - Vincent's Word Studies: John: John Chapter 1


    So, is this same VWS commentary accepted or rejected now?

    More on CHRIST JESUS:

    But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:17

    What was this "work"? Upholding, sustaining and restoring all things.

    Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18

    dia touto oun mallon ezhtoun auton oi ioudaioi apokteinai oti ou monon eluen to sabbaton alla kai patera idion elegen ton qeon ison eauton poiwn tw qew John 5:18 Stephens 1550 TR [and same for Scriveners; Byzantine Majority; Alexandrian and Westcott/Hort [from which the NWT is primarily derived]]

    On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God. John 5:18 NWT

    Please notice the above statement by JESUS.

    JESUS was not merely saying that "God was his father" in the common sense as the Jews of that day utilized the term in their own lives and relationship with/to God [Deuteronomy 14:1; Isaiah 63:16; Hosea 1:10; etc].

    They [the Jews] too were called the "sons of God" [as far back as Genesis 6:2,4; "sons of God"*; being those who called "upon the name of the LORD"; Genesis 4:26; Acts 22:16] and addressed God as their "Father". Even in Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2 JESUS gave such an example for us, the perfect model [not of repetition], of prayer which every child of God could exemplify.

    JESUS therefore, claimed equal rights with GOD [the FATHER] in doing a work equally sacred, and of the very same character with that which engaged the FATHER in Heaven. This the religious leaders, the Pharisees of that time, did not miss at all. They fully understood the statement that JESUS made and to that which HE was claiming to be. They were incensed. According to them, HE had not only broken the law [their religious traditions and restrictions that had been attached to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord God, but which actually placed man's word above and superceding God's actual words], but that HE had then also by calling GOD "HIS FATHER", had declared HIMSELF equal with GOD which for any other person would be directly counter to the Law of God, and be Blasphemy. They therefore sought to kill HIM.

    If JESUS was merely saying that "God was his Father" in the same sense that every Jew already utilized even amongst themselves, being "children of God" and "sons of God", why would they be angry and want to "kill him"? There was no possible way that they could convict HIM upon the 'sabbath breaking' charge, since they would have had to admit that no such restrictions existed in the Scripture texts themselves for what had been done by HIM. The miracle of healing that was worked upon that "certain man" "which had an infirmity thirty and eight years" [btw, notice the amount of years, 38, recompare to Israel in the Wilderness, there is a type here] was obviously witnessed and acknowledged as being of Divine origin.

    Notice the equality of the "works" that both FATHER and SON do and that all should "...honour the SON even as they honour the FATHER...". The words "even as" make this absolutely clear. The FATHER is worshipped and honoured as GOD, and thus also the SON. Then in a few chapters later [John 10:33; cited below] we see again, that JESUS makes the claim again. The charge against HIM again? Blasphemy. All throughout the Gospel of John, JESUS is overwhelming declared to be GOD.

    Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19

    For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. John 5:20

    For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21

    For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

    That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23

    The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:33

    Notice, they wanted to stone HIM not for a "good work", and not for claiming to be the Messiah [afterall, all of Judaea had long awaited the Messiah!, though JESUS was not the one they had imagined to come], but for HIS claiming equality with GOD.


    [*] [For more upon the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6:2,4, etc and who they are, please follow and read the study here: http://awhn.webs.com/truthofthesonsofgod.htm]
     
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    Again, John 3,

    Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. John 3:11

    Again, CHRIST JESUS can only 'speak', 'know', 'testify' and 'witness' of those heavenly things, and eternity, if only HE [the SON] has had eternal existence with the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT. Again, scripture is clear, that something is to be established in the mouth of TWO or THREE witnesses. There are such THREE ETERNAL Witnesses...

    Nicodemus and Jesus (private conversation between them by Night) talk was about Heavenly things (which disciples did not know)...John 3:12-13 connects John 3:11 in revealing that Jesus came down from Heaven and could speak of the Kingdom of God "we speak" (of the Heavenly), "we do know" (of the Heavenly), "we have seen" (of the Heavenly), "our witness" (of the Heavenly), as HE had been there and came from there (Even from the bosom of the FATHER HIMSELF, the disciples had not) and would return yet again:

    If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you (of) heavenly things? - John 3:12

    And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, (even) the Son of man which is in heaven. - John 3:13
     
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    Again, the HEBREW says:
    There is no US or WE in Ge 1:26 And God commanded and caused to bring about man in His image, in likeness: to rule over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and to make the beast, and all the earth, and everything all reptiles all insects upon the earth.

    According to most scholars, Newton was a monotheist who believed in biblical prophecies but was Antitrinitarian. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'. (British Journal for the History of Science) (Avery Cardinal Dulles. The Deist Minimum. January 2005.)

    Arius maintains in his letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia, that the Son "is no part of the Ingenerate." Hence the Arian sectaries who reasoned logically were styled Anomoeans: they said that the Son was "unlike" the Father. And they defined God as simply the Unoriginate. They are also termed the Exucontians (ex ouk onton), because they held the creation of the Son to be out of nothing.

    But a view so unlike tradition found little favour; it required softening or palliation, even at the cost of logic; and the school which supplanted Arianism from an early date affirmed the likeness, either without adjunct, or in all things, or in substance, of the Son to the Father, while denying His co-equal dignity and co-eternal existence. These men of the Via Media were named Semi-Arians.

    The man Jesus, said Paul of Samosata, was distinct from the Logos, and, in Milton's later language, by merit was made the Son of God. The Supreme is one in Person as in Essence.

    Many bishops of Asia Minor and Syria took up the defence of their "fellow-Lucianist," as Arius did not hesitate to call himself.
    From this Byzantine conception of Constantine (labelled in modern terms Erastianism) we must derive the calamities which during many hundreds of years set their mark on the development of Christian dogma.
    NEW ADVENT: Home
     
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    Be careful of quoting from Roman Catholic sources, the language therein is entirely couched to safe guard their incorrect theological position [I know, ask me sometime]. Also Roman Catholic [inside] theology does not teach the Tri-in-Unity as scripture teaches, for it [RCC] teaches something else entirely [and must, knowing where it comes from], it teaches that the "Son" is "eternally begotten" and the "Holy Spirit" is "eternally spirated" [breathed out], and that they [the Son, and Holy Spirit] do not really have eternal self-existence in and of themselves [though in other places they are more blurred in their couched language], and so do not teach three eternal self-existant persons.

    Case in point:

    Everlasting Gospel: Who is teaching the Catholic Trinity error?

    Roman Catholic source:

    "We believe then in the Father who eternally begets the Son, in the Son, the Word of God, who is eternally begotten; in the Holy Spirit, the uncreated Person who proceeds from the Father and the Son as their eternal love. Thus in the Three Divine Persons, coaeternae sibi et coaequales,[8] the life and beatitude of God perfectly one superabound and are consummated in the supreme excellence and glory proper to uncreated being, and always "there should be venerated unity in the Trinity and Trinity in the unity."[9]" [Online Roman Catholic Library; Credo of the People of God; Promulgated by Pope Paul VI on June 30, 1968] - CATHOLIC LIBRARY: The Credo of the People of God (1968)

    "...that the Paraclete "is not to be considered as unconnected with the Father and the Son, for He is with Them one in substance and divinity"...
    ... Proceeding both from the Father and the Son, the Holy Ghost, nevertheless, proceeds from Them as from a single principle. ... Hence it follows, indeed, that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the two other Persons, not in so far as They are distinct, but inasmuch as Their Divine perfection is numerically one. Besides, such is the explicit teaching of ecclesiastical tradition, which is concisely put by St. Augustine (On the Holy Trinity V.14): "As the Father and the Son are only one God and, relatively to the creature, only one Creator and one Lord, so, relatively to the Holy Ghost, They are only one principle." This doctrine was definded in the following words by the Second Ecumenical Council of Lyons [Denzinger, "Enchiridion" (1908), n. 460]: "We confess that the Holy Ghost proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles, but as from one principle, not by two spirations, but by one single spiration." The teaching was again laid down by the Council of Florence (ibid., n. 691), and by Eugene IV in his Bull "Cantate Domino" (ibid., n. 703 sq.). ...

    ..."the Holy Ghost comes from the Father and from the Son not made, not created, not generated, but proceeding" ...
    " [Online Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, Holy Spirit; sections throughout] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Holy Ghost
     
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    According to most scholars, Newton was a monotheist who believed in biblical prophecies but was Antitrinitarian. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'. (British Journal for the History of Science) (Avery Cardinal Dulles. The Deist Minimum. January 2005.)

    Newton attacks the Trinity in the General Scholium in several ways. First, he argues that the term &#8220;God&#8221; is a relative word like &#8220;Lord&#8221;. By this he means that &#8220;God&#8221; as a term does not automatically denote divine essence or substance, but that the term primarily derives its meaning from its relations, as in &#8220;God of Israel&#8221;. For Newton, the term denotes dominion and power, not essence and might. The unmentioned but implied heretical corollary to this is that when Christ is called God, as he occasionally is in the New Testament, this does not mean that Christ is God in substance, only that he takes on the title of God as his representative.

    To support this implied conclusion, Newton cites John 10:35 and Psalm 82:6, which refer to Israelite magistrates being referred to as &#8220;God&#8221; or &#8220;gods&#8221; because they represented God on earth. Elsewhere in the General Scholium, Newton deftly suggests that God is unipersonal. He also boldly states that we don&#8217;t have any idea of the substance of God. Not only does this resonate with Locke&#8217;s phenomenalism, but it is a swipe against Trinitarians, who claim they know enough about the substance of God to conclude that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are consubstantial beings. In rejecting substance talk when applied to God, we see a biblical phenomenalism that parallels his phenomenalism in physics.

    Why attack the Trinity in a work of natural philosophy? Apart from the likelihood that Newton derived a sense of satisfaction in countering the Trinity in a public text and getting away with it, it is likely that Newton wanted to lend his support to other antitrinitarians, who had published much more explicit arguments against the Trinity. Chief among these was Samuel Clarke, who published his antitrinitarian Scripture-doctrine of the Trinity only a year before the General Scholium was released. It also seems likely that Newton equated the feigning of hypotheses in natural philosophy (such as Descartes&#8217; fluid vortices, attacked in the very first line of the General Scholium) and hypotheses in theology (such as the doctrine of three consubstantial persons).

    In fact, it appears that Newton saw himself as working to effect two reformations: one in natural philosophy and one in theology. The two reformations come together in the General Scholium. How can we be certain that Newton wrote a coded attack on the Trinity in the General Scholium? We can be sure because when the language of the General Scholium is compared with identical language in his private manuscripts, the more explicit private manuscripts can be used to interpret the meaning of the public text. And so it is that what many consider to be the single most important book in the history of science ends with a theological attack on the central doctrine of orthodox Christianity. Who would have thought?
    http://www.galilean-library.org/sit...ws/stephen-d-snobelen-newton-reconsidered-r39
     
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    This is a good topic.
     
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    I am confused by the responses 'he-man'. Earlier it was stated, "Then you had better listen to the scriptures I gave you and not to the Philosophy of men." ['he-man'] - http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-26/#post59344742

    I would suggest reconsidering personally and in return that very advice.

    Why then are the responses filled and relying upon such "philosophy of men"? Why continue to cite what Newton believed, even as cited, in works of "natural philosophy", and "one in natural philosophy"?

    Newton, indeed a smart man, and that is not contested, nor the issue at hand, and he was indeed inclined to religious study of the Bible [probably moreso than a great many others], but he was imperfect in many areas, though there are certain theological aspects which he held with the protestants. Why continue to cite the work of "Dr. Stephen D. Snobelen" on the life and writings of "Sir Isaac Newton"? Is Sir Isaac Newton the teacher, the source we all must adhere to?, or rather do we adhere to the scriptures themselves, in what they say, "line upon line"?

    We are not discussing the religious views of Newton, nor of Snobelen [and I will not be further addressing it from here outward], but rather what scripture itself says upon the subject of CHRIST JESUS.

    So, letting go of the mindset of Sir Isaac Newton, and Dr. Snobelen on the life of Newton, please go back and look at the scriptures presented, what the Prophets believed, what the Apostles and Disciples believed, what CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF stated, what the FATHER stated, what the HOLY SPIRIT says, etc. which detail that JESUS is YHVH GOD the SON, the Shepherd, the Husband, the Covenant-Maker, the Creator, The First and The Last, The Author And Finisher Of Our Faith, Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End, the I AM, the ALMIGHTY, LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS, ONLY POTENTATE, the Comforter, GOD manifest in the flesh, Lord and GOD, The Physician, The Way, The Truth and The Life, The Rock, etc. etc. Much more could be given...
     
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    Thank you for your utmost concern, however Sir Newton was a monotheist who believed in biblical prophecies but was Antitrinitarian. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'. (British Journal for the History of Science) (Avery Cardinal Dulles. The Deist Minimum. January 2005.)

    So you see it was not just an idea from Newton, but it was taken from the Holy Scriptures.
    There are many commentaries by various scholars and it is good to make comparisons between them. The mistake most people make is following someone like Rutherford, rather than what the Bible teaches.

    For instance, the Bible says not to go indiscriminately from door to door preaching the gospel or handing out man made literature. A lot of people do exactly what they were told NOT to do.

    The apostles were told to go to places where they knew the people were believers and would accept them, when they visited. They also worked for their food, so as not to be a burden to the people they stayed with and it was not for just a drop in "hello-goodbye" thing. They stayed overnight working and sometimes for many days.

    Luk 10:7And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

    2Th 3:8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

    10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

    We are instructed in regard to those who by trying to justify their position, change what Christ commanded you to do :

    Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

    1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits [of a Trinity] and doctrines of a devil;
    *Note: Bracketed words are mine.

    Dr Luke said of Christ when he quoted the Psalms:

    Luk 23:46 ..`Father, into Thy hands I commit my spirit;'..

    Psa 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast ransomed me, O Jehovah Almighty of truth.

    18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.
     
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    Commentaries are only so useful [and ultimately hold no weight with me theologically, Scripture must be the foundation], and in some instances the commentaries [even portions amongst the best] are extremely dangerous... far better to let the Scripture define Scripture, "line upon line", "precept upon precept"...

    ...the Jews also have commentaries... Talmuds, Mishnahs, Midrash's, Hagadah, Kabbalah, Zoar, etc... and these they trust moreso that the Torah in many cases...

    As stated by yourself, "*Note: Bracketed words are mine." ['he-man'; on 1 Tim 4:1, and the self-added words "of a Trinity" into the text], it is
    DULY NOTED, noted that they are not in the scriptures, but by your own hand and admission, added...

    Scripture says:
    Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. [Proverbs 30:6]

    ...also of the Ten Commandments...

    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. [Deuteronomy 4:2]

    ...and in Revelation again [which covers the "Everlasting Gospel" from Creation to Re-Creation, Beginning to End]...

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [Revelation 22:18]



    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. [Revelation 22:19]

    As for the door to door, house to house, that was already addressed earlier in the thread, and Luke 10, is way before Christ Jesus died, was buried, rose and ascended and gave the great commission, for the 70 weeks of Daniel were not yet completed in Luke 10, but in Acts [stoning of Stephen] they [the full 70 weeks] were over:

    http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-15/#post58887185

    As for "Rutherford", I do not follow him, also, I am not a Jehovah's Witness.

    I am
    Seventh Day Adventist [they who were foretold to be manifest in Revelation 10] and the Bible is the Book, and Christ Jesus is the Shepherd, I follow, whithersoever He goeth...

    Now that the response is given, can we go back to the subject at hand and scriptures given previously on that subject?

    [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for
    he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5

    So that we may boldly say,
    The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6
    ...

    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

    ...compare to:


    Then
    came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. Matthew 15:25
     
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    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 KJV

    kai apekriqh o qwmaV kai eipen autw o kurioV mou kai o qeoV mou John 20:28 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus

    A comparison text:

    Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, [even] unto my cause, my God and my Lord. Psalms 35:23 KJV

    23exegerqhti kurie kai prosces th krisei mou o qeos mou kai o kurios mou eis thn dikhn mou [Psalms 34:23 LXX same as Psalms 35:23 KJV; Psalms - Septuagint Psalms 34:23 LXX, same as Psalms 35:23 KJV]

    Back to John 20:28 [context]:

    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    The "him" is Jesus [context].


    The literal translation reads:

    "...the Lord of me and the God of me..."

    The "me" is Thomas [context].
    The text is using the "definite article" ['the'], not "a" [indefinite article].
     
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    David himself said in the Holy Spirit, The Lord said unto my Lord, You sit on my right hand, Till I make your enemies the footstool of your feet

    God does not sit on the right hand of Himself!

    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    Ps 35:23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord.

    There are various Hebrew and Greek words so rendered.
    2. Heb. &#8216;adon, means one possessed of absolute control. It denotes a master, as of slaves #Ge 24:14,27 or ruler of his subjects #Ge 45:8 or a husband, as lord of his wife #Ge 18:12 The old plural form of this Hebrew word is _&#8217; adonai_. From a superstitious reverence for the name "Jehovah," the Jews, in reading their Scriptures, whenever that name occurred, always pronounced it _&#8217; Adonai_.

    &#1488;&#1491;&#1504;&#1497; &#8216;Adonay ad-o-noy&#8217;
     
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