It takes two to tango

[Robban]

Is your inquiry related to "what is the nature of Jesus of Nazareth?"

First one must understand the Son of God existed with the Father in eternity.

John 1 makes this very clear.

Isaiah 44 and Daniel 7 compared to Revelation 1 is a good start to view attributes and compare.

He brought into being all things through ten utterences,
How do reach the conclusion utterences are a son?

 

[redleghunter]

He brought into being all things through ten utterences,
How do reach the conclusion utterences are a son?

I referenced attributes. What were you referring to?

 

[brinny]

Maybe, I don't know,
But this I have to go on,
Psalms 2:6-7;

"It is I Who have anointed My king, upon Zion,
My holy mountain."

I am obliged to declare,
the Lord said to me,
"You are My son, I have this day begotten you."

(The day David was crowned)
(Rashi)

David was not the living God's only begotten Son.

He was born of a human mother and father, and his mother was not a virgin.

I believe it's the book of Isaiah that describes Jesus the Christ's birth, doesn't it?

 

[brinny]

He brought into being all things through ten utterences,
How do reach the conclusion utterences are a son?

Jesus the Christ was not "created".

He IS Creator.

 

[Robban]

Jesus the Christ was not "created".

He IS Creator.

God's speech, which is the force that brings a created being into existence,
must be present forever,
so as to give it Life and existence.

 

[Robban]

I referenced attributes. What were you referring to?

(Tanya)
The activating force of the creator must continuosly be present in the thing created to give it Life and existence.

The activating force are the self same letters of speech that
constitute the ten utterences by which all things were created.

Not give Life but bring into being.

"Forever, O God Your Word stands in the heavens."

 

[brinny]

God's speech, which is the force that brings a created being into existence,
must be present forever,
so as to give it Life and existence.

Not following you.

How does that relate to what i posted?

 

[Robban]

Not following you.

How does that relate to what i posted?

Nechemiah 9:6 mentions no son.

 

[brinny]

Nechemiah 9:6 mentions no son.

Are you referring to Nehemiah 9:6?

 

[Robban]

Are you referring to Nehemiah 9:6?

Yes.

 

[brinny]

Yes.

Are you saying that THAT particular verse clinches it entirely, that the living God did not have an only begotten Son, my friend?

 

[Robban]

Are you saying that THAT particular verse clinches it entirely, that the living God did not have an only begotten Son, my friend?

Well, it goes on with following verses too.

no but they would be enough for me.

I have said the other day, what my started point is,
and I am very clear over what it is.

In short,
He was alone before Creation of the World,
so is He alone after it was created.

In the OP I posed a question,
it is not for me to answer it and try to give an explanation.

It is you and others who claim someone is God,
it is up to you and others to explain.

 

[brinny]

Well, it goes on with following verses too.

no but they would be enough for me.

I have said the other day, what my started point is,
and I am very clear over what it is.

In short,
He was alone before Creation of the World,
so is He alone after it was created.

In the OP I posed a question,
it is not for me to answer it and try to give an explanation.

It is you and others who claim someone is God,
it is up to you and others to explain.

In Genesis God said this:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" ~Genesis 1:26

There's other verses, but i gotta focus on this video of Eric Metaxas leading the President at a prayer breakfast in singing Amazing Grace.

I'm floored. I was not expecting this, nor ready for it

More later, Robban.

 

[Robban]

In Genesis God said this:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" ~Genesis 1:26

There's other verses, but i gotta focus on this video of Eric Metaxas leading the President at a prayer breakfast in singing Amazing Grace.

I'm floored. I was not expecting this, nor ready for it

More later, Robban.

Ok, I will try and go to rest early for once, it is 00:30,
so it will be strange.

 

[Cearbhall]

Can God concieve a son?

How and in what form?

The idea of a virgin being impregnated by a god wasn't exactly a new concept when the Gospels were written. I don't think it was ever supposed to make scientific sense. It's just how the authors communicated what they wanted to say about Jesus.

 

[brinny]

Ok, I will try and go to rest early for once, it is 00:30,
so it will be strange.

I'm back....it left me speechless.

Would you like a link to the video i just watched?

 

[cloudyday2]

In defense of the Trinity, we should probably expect the nature of God to defy common sense - just as cosmology defies common sense. Of course cosmology makes some sense to cosmologists I suppose.

 

[TurtleAnne]

I'm back....it left me speechless.

Would you like a link to the video i just watched?

Maybe the "us" was referring to the Holy Spirit or sometimes called the Holy Ghost in the Trinity that explained throughout the Bible.

Also remember that the only sin Jesus said was unpardonable was to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost.

Example in Mark 3:20-30

Now what we can notice about that situation, is that the pharisees were not slandering Jesus, Himself, or even God, but rather they were slandering what was inside of Jesus, that allowed Jesus to cast out demons from people. So they were slandering against the Holy Spirit, and this obviously really upset Jesus and God to the point that Jesus said they would never be forgiven for it.

So here we see the entire Trinity together in action, Jesus being the Son of God yet also the Son of Man as Jesus was born of God but also born in a human body, and God is Jesus' father and speaks to Jesus, and Jesus carries out God's will, and then there is yet the third in the Trinity, the Holy Spirit/Ghost that dwells inside of Jesus, and clearly Jesus has immense respect for the Holy Ghost, much like how someone might have immense respect for a loving mother. I think most of us can recall from our societies how much of an insult it is when someone insults your mother, and how otherwise very peaceful men can become enraged when someone disrespects their mother.

So perhaps the "us" referred to in Genesis and elsewhere is both God and the Holy Ghost, as the Trinity had always been there, such that the coming of Jesus was prophesied long before His birth.

 

[Robban]

I'm back....it left me speechless.

Would you like a link to the video i just watched?

I had to come back too,
1, I had coffee left.
2, Bought a new computer yesterday thinking there would be no problem, but it is not much better,

Yeah post the link, why not?

 

[brinny]

I had to come back too,
1, I had coffee left.
2, Bought a new computer yesterday thinking there would be no problem, but it is not much better,

Yeah post the link, why not?

Aah, sorry about the computer....

do you want the link here or on your profile page?