Israel's future and Pat: Your view

[GraceInHim]

OUCH.......you have learned my own weakeness forsure: haystack

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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
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So, what did Jesus say about 'the law and the Prophets'?
How do you read it?

bolded 1 - the 2 commandmebts he gave if done, then thier is no room for any other sin.. how can you sin when you have Christ within you?

bolded 2 - fullness of the Gentiles..

 

[Jesus Is Real]

bolded 1 - the 2 commandmebts he gave if done, then thier is no room for any other sin.. how can you sin when you have Christ within you?

bolded 2 - fullness of the Gentiles..

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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
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Read it again.
Notice the word "Hang"
Now how do you read it?
Just stay exactly what the Scriptures say.
Notice the word "Hang" go!

 

[GraceInHim]

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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
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Read it again.
Notice the word "Hang"
Now how do you read it?
Just stay exaxtly what the Scriptures say.
Notice the word "Hang" go!

what Bible do you use?

 

[Jesus Is Real]

what Bible do you use?

LOL,....JUST LOOK AT THE VERSE!!........silly goose.

I got those printed verses ~straight off of BLUE LETTER BIBLE~
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/l/1137127655-18.html#below
It says KJV.......cool that's what I read from!

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

WHAT DOES IT SAY........I'm going somewhere with this, precious!
How DO YOU READ IT????

 

[GraceInHim]

LOL,....JUST LOOK AT THE VERSE!!........silly goose.

I got those printed verses ~straight off of BLUE LETTER BIBLE~
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/l/1137127655-18.html#below
It says KJV.......cool that's what I read from!


WHAT DOES IT SAY........I'm going somewhere with this, precious!

hey you just made goose bigger

k.. seems like they fall together and hang together.. on Jesus on the Cross,, when they nailed it, that is where it hangs

 

[Jesus Is Real]

hey you just made goose bigger

k.. seems like they fall together and hang together.. on Jesus on the Cross,, when they nailed it, that is where it hangs

Yes I did pumpkin,.......your pretty in Purple and Bold!

Let's try this: Read it again and tell me exactly HOW IT READS?


Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Gwenyfur]

If I may...
Y'shua was very firm in stating He came to fulfill the law not to break the law or the prophets...
He also teaches that to not keep the law is to sin against the Father...

**For clarification here commandment = law and NOT the man added laws but the law which G-d handed to Moshe...**

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Matthew 22:35-37,39-40
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,


36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

James 2:9-11

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

If I may...
Y'shua was very firm in stating He came to fulfill the law not to break the law or the prophets...
He also teaches that to not keep the law is to sin against the Father...

**For clarification here commandment = law and NOT the man added laws but the law which G-d handed to Moshe...**

Quote Originally Posted by: KJV

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Matthew 22:35-37,39-40
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,


36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

James 2:9-11

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Gwenyfur,

OF COURSE YOU MAY!!!

Yes, nobody used the word 'break' your right.
Now you tell me what is Jesus talking about
when He uses the word "HANG"?
Stay exactly with the Spirit of His Word,
read it back to me what HE SAYS. GraceInHIm....you too!

In other words: What's the FOCUS according to the same God, who spoke to MOSES, meaning JESUS, regarding the Law and the Prophets?

 

[knownbeforetime]

"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." - Genesis 12:2-3

God only says "I will, I will, I will, I will, I will". God doesn't say, "I will if, I will if, I will if, I will if, I will if".

 

[Gwenyfur]

Y'shua is saying as always to love the L-rd thy G-d with all they heart mind adn soul...and love your neighbor as yourself...teh premise from which the law is derived...

no other gods before Him, no idolatry, don't lie, don't steal, don't covent, honor your parents, don't mess with the neighbor's DH or DW, etc etc...

If we love the L-rd with everything we are, we won't have another god before Him, and we won't be guilty of idolatry....if we love our neighbor as ourselves we won't lie against, steal from, be jealous of, or fool around with their spouse, and we will be obedient, honoring our parents, becuase we Love the L-rd with all we are...

That is the premise that hangs the rest of hte commandments....

 

[GraceInHim]

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[Jesus Is Real]

Y'shua is saying as always to love the L-rd thy G-d with all they heart mind adn soul...and love your neighbor as yourself...teh premise from which the law is derived...

no other gods before Him, no idolatry, don't lie, don't steal, don't covent, honor your parents, don't mess with the neighbor's DH or DW, etc etc...

If we love the L-rd with everything we are, we won't have another god before Him, and we won't be guilty of idolatry....if we love our neighbor as ourselves we won't lie against, steal from, be jealous of, or fool around with their spouse, and we will be obedient, honoring our parents, becuase we Love the L-rd with all we are...

That is the premise that hangs the rest of hte commandments....

That is the premise that hangs the rest of hte commandments...

Correction and this is a biggy, specially on this topic!!

Yes as you said, "That is the premise that hangs the rest of the commandments...but-------> and the PROPHETS,........which means even the PROPHECIES!

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

And what was the role of the Prophets? TO PROPHECY GOD'S WORD--speak what God says.
God was speaking through the prophets,
In the first prophet through John, God spoke many great Promises
including THE LAND OF PROMISE.

What re-look what JESUS SAID?

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

FOCUS THERE!!!
HANG ALL THE LAW ON: LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND EACH OTHER
HAND ALL THE PROPHECIES ON:LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND EACH OTHER.

But we CAN'T DO THIS "HANGING" NOR are we even called to defend
any prophecy of God. WE ARE CALLED TO 'received POWER'
to have our own 'heart-land' cleaned. It's goes back to
the WALK OF SALVATION.

In other words, the Law and the Prophets/and their Prophecy
hangs on THE WALK OF SALVATION WITH JESUS!!!
FOR WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

But if we are about "The Law"---how do I set up my home,
Or if we are about "The Prophecies"---when does Israel get the Land
we are still WITHOUT POWER.
We are still without God's Spirit of Direction!

 

[Jesus Is Real]

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Ok.....waiting!

 

[GraceInHim]

Ok.....waiting!

ok I will read.. wanna see where this goes.. little lamb here

 

[revduane]

Pat Robertson maybe? Anyways, the land that Israel occupies today is theirs. Noone should be distributing it up to another people. Now, imagine this: The White man took the Native Americans land from them. Imaging the UN saying that the Native Americans are allowed to have their land back, and all others will have to congregate their community in a small portion of the land. That's the situation that confronts Israel today.

Hey Jerry. God bless you. Good to see you.

Rev Duane.

 

[GraceInHim]

Hey Jerry. God bless you. Good to see you.

Rev Duane.

love your helmet

 

[revduane]

"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." - Genesis 12:2-3

God only says "I will, I will, I will, I will, I will". God doesn't say, "I will if, I will if, I will if, I will if, I will if".

Amen K.B.T.

Good insight.

REv. Duane

 

[Gwenyfur]

Correction and this is a biggy, specially on this topic!!

Yes as you said, "That is the premise that hangs the rest of the commandments...but-------> and the PROPHETS,........which means even the PROPHECIES!

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

And what was the role of the Prophets? TO PROPHECY GOD'S WORD--speak what God says.
God was speaking through the prophets,
In the first prophet through John, God spoke many great Promises
including THE LAND OF PROMISE.

What re-look what JESUS SAID?

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

FOCUS THERE!!!
HANG ALL THE LAW ON: LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND EACH OTHER
HAND ALL THE PROPHECIES ON:LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND EACH OTHER.

But we CAN'T DO THIS "HANGING" NOR are we even called to defend
any prophecy of God. WE ARE CALLED TO 'received POWER'
to have our own 'heart-land' cleaned. It's goes back to
the WALK OF SALVATION.

In other words, the Law and the Prophets/and their Prophecy
hangs on THE WALK OF SALVATION WITH JESUS!!!
FOR WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

But if we are about "The Law"---how do I set up my home,
Or if we are about "The Prophecies"---when does Israel get the Land
we are still WITHOUT POWER.
We are still without God's Spirit of Direction!

and????? ...... What's your point...we all knwo there are yet prophecies that are unfulfilled and will be fulfilled by Him upon His return... and we do have guidance....the HOly SPirit...who leads in the direction G-d would have us go...

 

[Jesus Is Real]

and????? ...... What's your point...we all knwo there are yet prophecies that are unfulfilled and will be fulfilled by Him upon His return...

Pray for me,.....I'm trying to shorten, in words, what I see.
But to not cut the vision off.


This is not about His Return,.....if He came now many of us would be
utterly destroyed at His Coming just like the Anti-Messiah will, because
many are so 'up with' Israel having been promised the Land, but when
they are 'up with this' they are without POWER in their life.

Without any direction.
We are not to be concerned about this, JESUS CLEARLY SAID NOT TOO.
And if we are,.......He tells us TO RECEIVE POWER so the FOCUS AT HAND,
WILL BE TURNED BACK TO HIM!!!

Read it in Acts 1:6
Read the whole context of it to see if I am deceiving you!

 

[Gwenyfur]

Ya know...the more I re read that ... the more I need to say more...

The elect (saved by the blood and grace of Y'shua) are empowerd, through the Holy Spirit and the might of His name.

We are not left without direction or leadership, we have His letters, His inspired words of direction and law for us. We have the Spirit to guide, convict and comfort us...

To say taht we are without power and direction is to call Y'shua a liar! He promised never to leave us, never to abandon us...and if we feel that way then we are being oppressed by darkness....why you ask??? well look at the Bible....Light moves!!!! Darness has a place....if we're oppressed it's because we aren't on the offense. If you're oppressed MOVE your feet for the Messiah's kingdom...do something for Him!

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.