Israel's future and Pat: Your view

[GraceInHim]

This is not about His Return,.....if He came now many of us would be
utterly destroyed at His Coming just like the Anti-Messiah will, because
many are so 'up with' Israel having been promised the Land, but when
they are 'up with this' they are without POWER in their life.

Without any direction.
We are not to be concerned about this, JESUS CLEARLY SAID NOT TOO.
And if we are,.......He tells us TO RECEIVE POWER so the FOCUS AT HAND,
WILL BE TURNED BACK TO HIM!!!

Read it in Acts 1:6
Read the whole context of it to see if I am deceiving you!

I will add, when Jesus spoke about the end times in Matthew, he said to be alert.. and with everything going on in Israel .. so many things in the past.. how can we not focus on the land.. it has been like a crown jewel for thousand of years between people.. and the people returning is amazing after over 2400 yrs having thier own country again.. seems impossible.. but it was Prophecised in alot of Prophets..

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Ya know...the more I re read that ... the more I need to say more...

The elect (saved by the blood and grace of Y'shua) are empowerd, through the Holy Spirit and the might of His name.

We are not left without direction or leadership, we have His letters, His inspired words of direction and law for us. We have the Spirit to guide, convict and comfort us...

To say taht we are without power and direction is to call Y'shua a liar! He promised never to leave us, never to abandon us...and if we feel that way then we are being oppressed by darkness....why you ask??? well look at the Bible....Light moves!!!! Darness has a place....if we're oppressed it's because we aren't on the offense. If you're oppressed MOVE your feet for the Messiah's kingdom...do something for Him!

No, it's a simple message.
Let me ask you, honestly........hands down.

Not, really knowing you,....so I'm asking you now:

'Are you in even a little strife regarding The Land of Israel
with others here?" If you are, you've lost your own direction
In Christ and the Spirit has left you. But you had begun
honestly in the Spirit of God, but there has been a change. (ouch..........don't take
me as an offenses)

 

[Gwenyfur]

Pray for me,.....I'm trying to shorten, in words, what I see.
But to not cut the vision off.


This is not about His Return,.....if He came now many of us would be
utterly destroyed at His Coming just like the Anti-Messiah will, because
many are so 'up with' Israel having been promised the Land, but when
they are 'up with this' they are without POWER in their life.

Without any direction.
We are not to be concerned about this, JESUS CLEARLY SAID NOT TOO.
And if we are,.......He tells us TO RECEIVE POWER so the FOCUS AT HAND,
WILL BE TURNED BACK TO HIM!!!

Read it in Acts 1:6
Read the whole context of it to see if I am deceiving you!

Acts1:5-8
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Once again He promised to leave us with the Spirit of the L-RD and the power of His spirit and name

We are not abandonned nor are we powerless...the gates of hell cannot stand against His name

 

[linssue55]

bolded 1 - the 2 commandmebts he gave if done, then thier is no room for any other sin.. how can you sin when you have Christ within you?

bolded 2 - fullness of the Gentiles..

Grace here is the Exegesis, (corrected translation), from the original language (Greek), as the writer wrote it 2,000 years ago.......sorry, but there are side notes, this helps explain the intent of the writer.....I am still looking for my exegesis on Luke....

(Grace orientation of the Mature Believer - Understanding the Grace of God)

Mat...7:11 "If - and it is true - then you all . . . who are imperfect . . . know how to provide for your children, how much more your Father in heaven {Who is perfect} will give The Good {of intrinsic value} Things {food, clothing, shelter, etc.} to those who ask/'pray to' Him {Greek Syntax means the whole pattern is repeated here - pray/seek/knock}?"

{Alternative to the Grace Principal - In Contrast to verse 11! Legalism in the Church Age - a Switch}


7:12 "Therefore in everything, keep on doing to others as you would want them to do to you, for this is the law {Mosaic Law} and the prophets."

{Note: This so-called "golden rule" summarizes the attitude of the Mosaic Law. This is natural and even unbelievers can do this. This is NOT the rule for the Church Age believer because we are not under the Mosaic Law! The golden rule of grace is: 'Do unto others as Christ has done for you' [Col.3:13]. In grace, the believer does not earn or deserve anything from God, and the believer must give on the basis of their OWN character (and love when filled with the Holy Spirit). Matthew is stating the general principle here. Luke (in Luke11:13) included Jesus telling them they would receive the Holy Spirit if they asked so they could rise into a greater sphere than the law [although they didn't].}



Note: Agapao - agape love is a high form of love - here divine love. Another classification of love is personal and impersonal love. Personal love is based on the characteristics of the OBJECT of the love - not the characteristics of the SUBJECT - should be reserved for a perfect object only - God. Impersonal love is what you should have for all mankind based on who and what YOU (the subject) are.}

Mat....22:38 "This is the first and greatest commandment."

22:39 "A second is like it {Leviticus 19:18}, 'Love {agapao} your neighbor {fellow man} as yourself.' "

22:40 "All the law and the prophets are suspended on these two commandments."

{Note: This is a term for the Old Testament scriptures, also sometimes called Moses and the prophets. SideNote: Their theologian says nothing more. Probably standing there with a hanging jaw! Now Jesus goes on the offensive.}

{Jesus Counter-Attack the Pharisees}


22:41-42 While the Pharisees were assembled Jesus asked them a question: 22:42~~ "What do you think about Christ? Whose Son is He?" They {the Pharisees} said, "From the source of David {the answer emphasizes the humanity of Christ - which is fine and biblically correct - but is only half an answer so is WRONG!}."

22:43-44 He {Jesus} said to them {Psalms 110:1}, "How then does David in the Spirit {periodically endued by the Holy Spirit} call him 'Lord,' saying, 22:44~~ 'The Lord {kurios/Jehovah - God the Father} said to my Lord {kurios/Adoni - God the Son}, "Sit down and keep on sitting at My right hand, until I put Your enemies under Your feet {a footstool}"'?

{Note: All scripture was written when filled with the Holy Spirit. Old and New Testament both.}

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Once again He promised to leave us with the Spirit of the L-RD and the power of His spirit and name

We are not abandonned nor are we powerless...the gates of hell cannot stand against His name

Yes, actually those verses are in accordance with
Acts 1:6 which reads: (sorry I opped on the verse!)
[bible]Acts 1:6[/bible]

SEE, IF our focus, is about The Restoration of Israel, then
Jesus Counsels us to say we NEED GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.
HE RE-DIRECTS US.
AND WILL KEEP ON........BUT NOT FOREVER.

 

[Gwenyfur]

No, it's a simple message.
Let me ask you, honestly........hands down.

Not, really knowing you,....so I'm asking you now:

'Are you in even a little strife regarding The Land of Israel
with others here?" If you are, you've lost your own direction
In Christ and the Spirit has left you. But you had begun
honestly in the Spirit of God, but there has been a change. (ouch..........don't take
me as an offenses)

In all honesty, there was one poster (nt sure this thread or another) that really got me upset at how he was speaking of the L-RD's chosen. However, that is done, I've forgiven that even if they haven't asked for it, it's what Y'shua commands, and I follow...

The spirit hasn't left me nor will it, that too would mean that He had lied, we know He doesn't.

The strife over my homeland isn't strife, I know what the Father has promised, and I know He doesn't break a covenant .... or replace or modify them...that is an act of man. Teaching others is what we are instructed to do.
I may seem blunt, coarse or upset, but in all honesty I'm *very* plain spoken, and about as blunt as a sledgehammer...

I'm not one to soften phrases in case I offend someone, I don't beat around bushes and I certainly to tiptoe with words...I speak plainly, bluntly, my yea is yea and my nay is nay. (for proof of that speak to my children LOL).

There are many on CF who can vouch that I don't speak often on matters, other than to add 2 cents ... I do dive in occassionally, but I also back my words with scripture...that the Spirit gives me.

I am not abandonned, and neither are you...and no matter how good your intentions are, you cannot discern the spirit within me through a medium of a few typed words on just a few threads.

The wisdom of ABBA Father be granted you as you seek His knowledge.
Shalom

 

[Jesus Is Real]

In all honesty, there was one poster (nt sure this thread or another) that really got me upset at how he was speaking of the L-RD's chosen. However, that is done, I've forgiven that even if they haven't asked for it, it's what Y'shua commands, and I follow...

The spirit hasn't left me nor will it, that too would mean that He had lied, we know He doesn't.

The strife over my homeland isn't strife, I know what the Father has promised, and I know He doesn't break a covenant .... or replace or modify them...that is an act of man. Teaching others is what we are instructed to do.
I may seem blunt, coarse or upset, but in all honesty I'm *very* plain spoken, and about as blunt as a sledgehammer...

I'm not one to soften phrases in case I offend someone, I don't beat around bushes and I certainly to tiptoe with words...I speak plainly, bluntly, my yea is yea and my nay is nay. (for proof of that speak to my children LOL).

There are many on CF who can vouch that I don't speak often on matters, other than to add 2 cents ... I do dive in occassionally, but I also back my words with scripture...that the Spirit gives me.

I am not abandonned, and neither are you...and no matter how good your intentions are, you cannot discern the spirit within me through a medium of a few typed words on just a few threads.

The wisdom of ABBA Father be granted you as you seek His knowledge.
Shalom

Gwenyfur,

Wow, did you even really read what I wrote, where are you
coming up with all this?

But, Yes your right,....no one used the words "or replace or modify them."
If you have forgiven then God has forgiven you for having that anger
in your heart,.....so that you can go and LOVE MUCH MORE.

I don't believe you are hearing what is being said about:
The Law and The Prophets,.....read what I wrote again.
Read it again.

Because either Jesus is THE LORD OF HIS WORD
"HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHECIES {if you will}"
or He's not LORD AT ALL!

Because there is a direction that Jesus IS saying in Acts 1:6
Read that again, too!

Peace unto you,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Gwenyfur wrote: In all honesty, there was one poster (nt sure this thread or another) that really got me upset at how he was speaking of the L-RD's chosen. However, that is done, I've forgiven that even if they haven't asked for it, it's what Y'shua commands, and I follow...

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Gwenyfur,

Permit me to speak this once more to you.
If I might ask you, please.

Then if you have forgiven which means that God has forgiven
you of that anger that was shown up in you, then why are
you getting upset at me,....seeming all over again?

It's the "Much more Love" that causes us to HEAR WITH OUR EARS.
And to understand with OUR HEARTS.

Having to begun in the Spirit we seem to have lost the Spirit of God,
when we get up in strife and in anger that we want to hold on to.
Yes, it has to come up....so that you can ask God to help you
to deliver you from that enemy on your Promised Land.

 

[GraceInHim]

I think she left...

 

[linssue55]

bolded 1 - the 2 commandmebts he gave if done, then thier is no room for any other sin.. how can you sin when you have Christ within you?

bolded 2 - fullness of the Gentiles..

luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

I cannot find my exegesis on this, but it is easy to understand.

The law, which was the Mosaic Law, ......the prophets, up to and including John (the last one to live. died 96 A.D.).....now "since" that time, what this means is, God's word (kingdom) is preached by pastor teachers, and there is no longer the law, for it has been replaced by Grace. The every men, are believers in the Lord.....pressing, to delve into the word........

- Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom.10:4).


- For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

Yes, Jesus has not violated the Law nor even ignored it; He has fulfilled it! The Law pronounced the sinner’s doom (Ezekiel 18:4).

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Once again He promised to leave us with the Spirit of the L-RD and the power of His spirit and name

We are not abandonned nor are we powerless...the gates of hell cannot stand against His name

Gwenyfur,

Then walk IN HIS NAME, which means to walk in HIS NATURE AND
IN HIS CHARACTER. But we can't,.....without His Power--His Holy Spirit.

Anger, isn't one of them.

If we stay in Rage which is a work of the flesh and not according to the Holy Spirit of God,.....none of us
will Inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, and we would have lost
our way,....not WALKING IN THE WAY--JESUS, UNTO THE FATHER.

[BIBLE]GalaTIANS 3:3[/BIBLE]

I have been foolish just like this too!

 

[GraceInHim]

this thread is about the land belonging or not to the Jewish People.. many have said no..

Gwen has ties to Jewish, and she has accepted Jesus, so what are we trying to get here. That the land has nothing to do with the end times?

The Prophets are pretty clear that the people will return from where they were scattered from N, S, E and W... the people God is describing is the Jewish from Abraham's lines who are blessed.. we gentiles are grafted in.. waiting for the fullness.

if God was through with the Jewish people, then why do we get it much easier.. look at what these people suffered, they have been punished.. and there is a line in Luke which Jesus told the disciples that he spoke in parables to the Jewish people so they would not understand, blinded... that the secret when he explained it.. gave it to the dicisples..

 

[Gwenyfur]

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Gwenyfur,

Permit me to speak this once more to you.
If I might ask you, please.

Then if you have forgiven which means that God has forgiven
you of that anger that was shown up in you, then why are
you getting upset at me,....seeming all over again?

It's the "Much more Love" that causes us to HEAR WITH OUR EARS.
And to understand with OUR HEARTS.

Having to begun in the Spirit we seem to have lost the Spirit of God,
when we get up in strife and in anger that we want to hold on to.
Yes, it has to come up....so that you can ask God to help you
to deliver you from that enemy on your Promised Land.

I am not upset....as I said, I'm fairly plain spoken. G-d hasn't called any of us to speak softly, but to speak and teach with authority.

I don't understand where you are getting that I am upset or angry....but I'm really not

Promise

Y'shua's nature is one of authority as well. He has never told any of us to go meekly and preach the Gospel....He said to do so boldly, with all authority....


PS As for my "disappearances" I am at work, so I often have to leave my terminal for one task or another....just have to take care of biz here as well as play

Shalom

 

[GraceInHim]

luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

I cannot find my exegesis on this, but it is easy to understand.

The law, which was the Mosaic Law, ......the prophets, up to and including John (the last one to live. died 96 A.D.).....now "since" that time, what this means is, God's word (kingdom) is preached by pastor teachers, and there is no longer the law, for it has been replaced by Grace. The every men, are believers in the Lord.....pressing, to delve into the word........

- Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom.10:4).


- For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

Yes, Jesus has not violated the Law nor even ignored it; He has fulfilled it! The Law pronounced the sinner’s doom (Ezekiel 18:4).

sounds about right.. in grace we remain without sin.. we can still sin, but ask forgiveness

 

[Jesus Is Real]

this thread is about the land belonging or not to the Jewish People.. many have said no..

Gwen has ties to Jewish, and she has accepted Jesus, so what are we trying to get here. That the land has nothing to do with the end times?

The Prophets are pretty clear that the people will return from where they were scattered from N, S, E and W... the people God is describing is the Jewish from Abraham's lines who are blessed.. we gentiles are grafted in.. waiting for the fullness.

if God was through with the Jewish people, then why do we get it much easier.. look at what these people suffered, they have been punished.. and there is a line in Luke which Jesus told the disciples that he spoke in parables to the Jewish people so they would not understand, blinded... that the secret when he explained it.. gave it to the dicisples..

GraceInHim,

Oh thanks for the heads up on Gw.
Now I understand now why I'm having to say all this.
HER FLESH AND BLOOD (people-Jews) HEARD THESE WORDS OF JESUS IN ACTS 1:7-8,....
...and she must hear it,....if she will WITNESS OF JESUS CHRIST or not in the right way!

So, again, when it's about "The Restoration of the Kingdom of Israel" WHAT DOES JESUS COUNSEL?

And why DID JESUS SAY THIS TO THOSE JEWS?
And for us to hear even now?
1. Because we are seeking it in the wrong heart, wrong spirit, and wrong power.
2. Because we are focusing on what God can give us, wrong spirit.
3. Because we are focusing not ON THE THINGS OF GOD, NOR ON HIS CHRIST
WHICH IS THE FOCUS NOW!!!
JESUS IS THE SEASON AND TIMES OF FOCUS!!!
DO NOT STRAY FROM FOLLOWING HIM, AND TRUST
WHERE SO EVER HE LEADS.

Then this word for Gw, should be FRESH MANNA FROM HEAVEN.
To know it's not about anything but WHAT JESUS IS RE-DIRECTING
THOSE DESCIPLES IN ACTS 1:6

[bible]Acts 1:6-8[/bible]

 

[Gwenyfur]

luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

I cannot find my exegesis on this, but it is easy to understand.

The law, which was the Mosaic Law, ......the prophets, up to and including John (the last one to live. died 96 A.D.).....now "since" that time, what this means is, God's word (kingdom) is preached by pastor teachers, and there is no longer the law, for it has been replaced by Grace. The every men, are believers in the Lord.....pressing, to delve into the word........

- Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom.10:4).


- For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

Yes, Jesus has not violated the Law nor even ignored it; He has fulfilled it! The Law pronounced the sinner’s doom (Ezekiel 18:4).

see...now ya gone and done it....
if I could rep you again I would

I do keep the Kosher laws...I don't think the laws ever change, but I do think it's a path that the L-rd will lead those He wishes to be on...to walk on...a personal matter between a person and the L-rd....

Anyhow...I don't keep Sabbath on the Sabbath...I work here...though I do set aside my Mondays for a day of prayer, study and meditation on His word...and that falls in with Paul saying not to esteem one day above another (don't have the reference handy just now)

there is grace, but there is also law....combined they give us a light on our path

 

[GraceInHim]

did anyone ever read the gnostic writings.. this is where they get the story that Jesus went to hell first after death.. to defeat it..

 

[Jesus Is Real]

this thread is about the land belonging or not to the Jewish People.. many have said no..

Gwen has ties to Jewish, and she has accepted Jesus, so what are we trying to get here. That the land has nothing to do with the end times?

The Prophets are pretty clear that the people will return from where they were scattered from N, S, E and W... the people God is describing is the Jewish from Abraham's lines who are blessed.. we gentiles are grafted in.. waiting for the fullness.

if God was through with the Jewish people, then why do we get it much easier.. look at what these people suffered, they have been punished.. and there is a line in Luke which Jesus told the disciples that he spoke in parables to the Jewish people so they would not understand, blinded... that the secret when he explained it.. gave it to the dicisples..

OK THEN,.....HEAR THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN PAUL:
[bible]Romans 10:1[/bible]


What did even Paul say after the reading
of the Law and the Prophets?


Acts 13:15
15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
KJV

Acts 13:16
16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
KJV

Acts 13:23
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
KJV

Acts 13:24
24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
KJV

Acts 13:40-41
40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.KJV
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What did the Spirit of God come in you for?
He comes to lead you, to show you THE WAY!!!



Well I'm very tired,.....what was communicated The Lord will
just have to lead your eyes and ears to what was to be said.
I love you all very much and even this The Lord will just have
to communicate to you even this!

 

[Gwenyfur]

OK THEN,.....HEAR THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN PAUL:
[bible]Romans 10:1[/bible]


What did even Paul say after the reading
of the Law and the Prophets?


Acts 13:15
15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
KJV

Acts 13:16
16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
KJV

Acts 13:23
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
KJV

Acts 13:24
24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
KJV

Acts 13:40-41
40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.KJV
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Well I'm very tired,.....what was communicated The Lord will
just have to lead your eyes and ears to what was to be said.
I love you all very much and even this The Lord will just have
to communicate to you even this!

post 213 was my reply to you....

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I am not upset....as I said, I'm fairly plain spoken. G-d hasn't called any of us to speak softly, but to speak and teach with authority.

I don't understand where you are getting that I am upset or angry....but I'm really not

Promise

Y'shua's nature is one of authority as well. He has never told any of us to go meekly and preach the Gospel....He said to do so boldly, with all authority....


PS As for my "disappearances" I am at work, so I often have to leave my terminal for one task or another....just have to take care of biz here as well as play

Shalom

Gw,

post 213 was my reply to you.... opps!!!

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So, then you know that it's not, the time nor the
season, to be all up in strife (ever--even a little bit) about the Land of Israel.
IT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
If we are led into this, strife, it's NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
There is a leading we are not following!!

Lo, I have told you!

But God's Holy Spirit is preparing a People to Inherit the whole Earth.
A Meek and Lowly people this way is BOLD AUTHORITY.
It takes a Meek and a Lowly person to die to the deeds of the flesh
if they are led by The Holy Spirit--He is our Authory to even put
our flesh to death!

But the Holy Spirit can only do this, once we are being
Led by Him to put to death the deeds of our flesh nature,
or we won't inherit the Promised Land or the Whole Earth
in that matter, FOR THIS IS OUR WITNESS OF CHRIST.

If we don't,.......no one gets heaven let alone
the PROMISED LAND.

God has a work to do in the Heart of men by His Holy Spirit
OF PROMISE! Which work we don't even focus on, because
we seem to be so busy with what He gives us, instead of
His Son and how He comes to us through The Holy Spirit.

So, let God work on taking you to the Cross with your
flesh....and you will not carry out the lusts of your flesh:
Anger and the like. For, when you see it coming out, Let
God's Spirit Led you to put IT TO DEATH!


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Rom 8:3-4
3 We aren't saved from sin's grasp by knowing the commandments of God because we can't and don't keep them, but God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours-except that ours are sinful-and destroyed sin's control over us by giving himself as a sacrifice for our sins. 4 So now we can obey God's laws if we follow after the Holy Spirit and no longer obey the old evil nature within us.
TLB

THIS IS THE FOCUS, AT HAND AND ALL THAT PERTAINS
TO THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD'S LEADING WHERE JESUS COMES
TO US TO LEAD US TO GOD THE FATHER!!
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