Israel's future and Pat: Your view

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

KEPLER said:
He shoots...HE SCORES!!!!!
Pesky, pesky, pesky, biblical facts.

Well done, Max.

and are you saying that Messanics know less then all others? That is who Max was speaking about.. pesky is God's words.. facts are facts,, and thier are many of RT from others.. let us keep it with Israel today..

Melethiel · Feb 16, 2006

this thread is about Israel's land.. not Ishmael's

Still no comments on the fact that most "Jews" aren't descendants of Israel?

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

KEPLER said:
Halleljuah, and Amen! Preach on, Brother!

Lo! I speak unto all! This is a man who knoweth the Words of God, and speaketh them correctly!

Heh.

I was told on another thread if that the Apostolic Catholic Church was the only way to salvation from the same you quoted from.. finally did a lot of reading on Church History ..cannot believe the ways and true sin of the past.. may God forgive them

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

Melethiel said:
Still no comments on the fact that most "Jews" aren't descendants of Israel?
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There is more prophecies about the land of Israel .. so do some reading please.. the thread is very long

KEPLER · Feb 16, 2006

GraceInHim said:
were they all who returned from Russia? Please provide proof please.. thanks.. as I said, no man is without sin on earth.. the prophecy I provided is about Jews returning from around the world to thier homeland.. this thread is about Israel's land.. not Ishmael's.. so tell me, which prophecies were fulfilled after Jesus' resurrection? when did Ezekiel's 34 - his last words were fulfilled? Since you seem to think some were not...

thanks..

Marina,

Check your local area video stores and find one that has a very good selection of foreign films and documentaries, and then RENT a movie called Moscow on the Mediterranean (from 1999). This is a documentary, not fiction. The film is in Hebrew but with ENglish subtitles. I have not seen it myslef, but I have a colleague who acted a historical consultant on the film, and she said it was very good.

I also recommend his earlier movie (from 1996) 119 Bullets + 3.

Also a few links on this topic at this page: http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/080404_return.shtml

Kepler

Melethiel · Feb 16, 2006

GraceInHim said:
There is more prophecies about the land of Israel .. so do some reading please.. the thread is very long

I can see you're not getting my question. And I have read the entire thread.

You posted statistics showing that there were, at one time, mass immigrations of people to Israel. You attempt to connect that to various prophecies. Now, let's ignore the fact that many of those who immigrated TO Israel later moved out. How are a bunch of Khazars (ie., not descendants of Israel) and Russians (people who aren't remotely Jewish, but who pretended to be to escape the Iron Curtain) immigrating to the region of Palestine a fulfillment of prophecy?

Melethiel · Feb 16, 2006

KEPLER said:
Marina,

Check your local area video stores and find one that has a very good selection of foreign films and documentaries, and then RENT a movie called Moscow on the Mediterranean (from 1999). This is a documentary, not fiction. The film is in Hebrew but with ENglish subtitles. I have not seen it myslef, but I have a colleague who acted a historical consultant on the film, and she said it was very good.

I also recommend his earlier movie (from 1996) 119 Bullets + 3.

Kepler

Hey, there's documentaries? Cool. My knowledge came from...inside connections...

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

KEPLER said:
Marina,

Check your local area video stores and find one that has a very good selection of foreign films and documentaries, and then RENT a movie called Moscow on the Mediterranean (from 1999). This is a documentary, not fiction. The film is in Hebrew but with ENglish subtitles. I have not seen it myslef, but I have a colleague who acted a historical consultant on the film, and she said it was very good.

I also recommend his earlier movie (from 1996) 119 Bullets + 3.

Kepler

right now I am into Church History.. since so many say they came from the true places of stone of Jesus.. I am doing research.. and btw, opening up my old thread again.. since I have more questions on Constantine.. sorry, my hands are full right now with other things.. but thanks for the thought.. will remember it

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

Melethiel said:
I can see you're not getting my question. And I have read the entire thread.

You posted statistics showing that there were, at one time, mass immigrations of people to Israel. You attempt to connect that to various prophecies. Now, let's ignore the fact that many of those who immigrated TO Israel later moved out. How are a bunch of Khazars (ie., not descendants of Israel) and Russians (people who aren't remotely Jewish, but who pretended to be to escape the Iron Curtain) immigrating to the region of Palestine a fulfillment of prophecy?

judge whom you want.. but I ask questions more then judge.. thanks

last time I checked, God forgives.. not us

KEPLER · Feb 16, 2006

Melethiel said:
Hey, there's documentaries? Cool. My knowledge came from...inside connections...

Mosocw on the Mediterranean is specifically about the "Ghettoization" of the Russian Jews.

The webpage I gave (I edited the post, you might and to go back and look) has links to stories about the massive numbers of Russian Jews who are now leaving Israel.

K

KEPLER · Feb 16, 2006

Melethiel said:
Hey, there's documentaries? Cool. My knowledge came from...inside connections...

I expected as much!

Melethiel · Feb 16, 2006

GraceInHim said:
judge whom you want.. but I ask questions more then judge.. thanks

last time I checked, God forgives.. not us

I'm judging here? I asked a question, which frankly, you seem to be avoiding.

Jesus Is Real · Feb 16, 2006

Gwenyfur said:
The decedencts of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will inherit the kingdom as promised by G-d millenia ago...that covenant was an everlasting covenant between G-d and father Abraham...it has yet to be fulfilled....Though gentiles were grafted in

UPDATED:

Hey there Gwenyfur,

SPEAKING TENDERLY:

Are you aware that Jesus' Gospel and in Paul's Gospel (which is Jesus' Gospel in The Holy Comforter bringing to full bear Jesus' message - though one in the same) is instructing 'whosoever will of God's Children' how to enter in the PROMISED LAND?

In other words, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is "The Way" to enter in God's Promised Land.
If we don't GET JESUS' GOSPEL, DEEP DOWN IN OUR HEARTS, (no strife about anything), we won't get THE PROMISED LAND JESUS IS GRACIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT.

And it starts with the Word:
REPENT YOU AND ME AND BELIEVE.

Only the Pure in Heart will see God's leading in these last days, to enter in His Land of Peace and Rest. But we all must stop the fusses and such for we Miss Jesus all together - missing His Very Message. So, would God hold any GOOD THING for His Child? No. But we first must receive the Holy Spirit so that He can lead us to the putting to death the deeds of our flesh: Anger, sarcasm, unforgiveness and slander and such. Or like Moses, who struck the Rock twice rather than listening to God's Instructions, we too will miss out on entering the Promised land.

So, we don't inherit the Promised land without our own death (Moses didn't die to his flesh on that day - it costed him the Physical Promised Land) - but spiritually first. Which means to enter in the battle ~of crucifying the flesh nature within.~ Those enemies on the land was exactly what Jesus spoke about that defiles the man - what comes out of the mouth from the heart and such that is written in the Gospel's of Christ.

WILL GO HOLD BACK ANY GOOD THING? NO.
DID JESUS NOT EVEN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AT HAND? OH YES.
IT'S CALLED THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL.

Blessing you - blessing you,
Connie

GraceInHim · Feb 16, 2006

Melethiel said:
I'm judging here? I asked a question, which frankly, you seem to be avoiding.

ok..

Edial · Feb 16, 2006

Connie, I find this post somehow frustrating.
What frustrates me is your complete insistance that you "know" that someone hurt me in my life and that is why I am making many judgements concerning the Messianics.

I stated before that this is not the case.
Please do not insist on it.

I can only make an observation, that usually people that insist that "judgements" come due to hurt in ones life were often hurt themselves.

I was carefully framing my views. And I was often backing them with Scriptures.

And we are told by the Lord to make judgements concerning all things -
1CO 2:15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, ...

... and to judge each other believers when improper behavior is observed -
1CO 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.

Also, you read into the words of my entry into your CF journal.
You think that such posts convict me and the Lord is turning me away from the statements I made in this thread.
It is not the case. I feel more confident concerning my statements.

Having said that, let me explain what I meant at the journal when I thanked you, told you that you are doing a good job and said that the Lord spoke to me in a special way.

I personally like you.
This developed over time when I saw that you would make peace at a drop of a hat. (Even when young people speak to you flippantly).
I find this an excellent quality.

Why did I say you are doing a good job? It's your passion for the Lord. It's in your posts. (The context of your posts we discuss in the threads. This we discuss here). This passion is an excellent testimony. Once it is channelled more, it can be very, very fruitful.

As I grow spiritually, so is my desire not to personally hurt anyone, especially believers. Some do get hurt when disagreements arise. This cannot be helped.
I do not want to hurt them by the way I speak. I do not want to attack them personally, since I am no better than they are.

What did the Lord tell me?
The Lord showed be that you might be upset.

Thanks,
Ed

Jesus Is Real · Feb 16, 2006

Ed,

Thank you again for your kind words, to me, again.

Your right,....the Spiritual makes Judgments but it's mainly talking about THE LORD WHO JUDGES ALL THINGS WHICH NO MAN CAN JUDGE HIM (THE LORD). yes

1 Cor 2:15-16
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. <-----we are still being judged of many inside the church so this IS MAINLY TALKING ABOUT CHRIST WHO 'HE HIMSELF' IS JUDGED OF NO MAN.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

1 Cor 3:1
3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.KJV <--------BUT, WHEN WE ARE CARNAL WE KNOW NOTHING, ED.

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If I MIGHT: IT IS GOOD TO READ IN CONTEXT........Let's me put it this way: "Read the whole chapter and then look at the picture that God is forming in front of you,.....it's mainly a mirror to see yourself - to see your own spots and wrinkles,...my own spots and wrinkles. So read the whole message of what God is saying through Paul, Jesus - Our Lord, , Matthew-John, Peter, Jude and the like in Holy Scripture, rather than taking isolated Scriptures to come up with a point of view. It must all be read in context and in good measure. IT'S ALL LOVE ED - PURE LOVE FOR GOD AND FOR THE BRETHREN. It shows where we are, in our spots, and then it gives us a way of escape = WE REPENT AND BELIEVE THE MESSAGE.

So, even if we take note of things of others, such as the JEW'S, it should never be not at the expense of others, especially those of the House Hold of faith, in this case the Messianic Jew's.

Ed you said: "And I was often backing them with Scriptures."

Ed, the Scriptures that you have been showing says nothing of what you are meaning to say about thinking that the Bible is telling a Jew that they 'should' call themselves Christians. What you are quoting doesn't not back up what you are saying. I say this in Kindness, look again. Read other versions if you must - be fair to your own mind and heart.

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UPDATED:

Ed are you aware that most of us are still so carnal (I will easily get into this fire right now and say I'm the worse as I see it with myself) that even Paul couldn't speak to us as spritual. Because we are still fussing over many things even like this topic - fussing and striving and much debating and getting upset and using sarcasms and the like.

DEEP BREATH AND PAUSE!

God's Word to the Corinthians is not a history lesson, to only leave it there no!, it's a God Inspired Word to even us for today - if we will hear it. If we stay in strife and sarcasm and unforgiveness we will never be able to hear the spiritual and we won't hear the sound of True Judgment of God when it comes - even through a child with a child-like faith. Read that 1 Cor. 2:13's verse in context and you'll see that I am not lying to you. God wants to take away our spots in our feasts, even in these forums of free talk.

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For this not walking in Love, but it is exactly how the Pharisee's placed bonages on their followers. Many knew the bondages and so many turned from them to Follow Christ who was healing the sick.

If you are Christ', why are you so indifferent to the Way's of The Love of God. I know this is a strong word, but if you are willing to discuss this - you will keep your attack towards the Believing Jews - you will be nothing but a Stumbling block for them. Living out before them that you can Bless God and curse men. Yes, to put a word on anyone that God has not said - for this case, "You should call yourself a Christian" is not God's Word on them. And if it's not God's blessing then it's a curse word.

When we don't forgive, our heavenly Father does not forgive us and when this happens we feel this distance and when we feel this distance we allow distance to be created between eachother and that your brothers - The Jews.

I will not say your hurt by any no longer on this forum - for your sake that we will not be divided.

Oh no.......I am not upset with you at all. I know what I have to say it's NOT gotten over night,....nor is gotten by even 15 posts. But God is the Communicator when there is situations at hand. I know there is times to say things gently and there are times to be stopped when God says to stop and wait. So I did - this is why I waited. But I was not upset, I waited as what I have been telling you as A PRIEST: GOD MADE ME BE THAT PRIEST IN WAITING:
1.) IN PRAYER
2.) AND QUIETLY WILLING TO CARRY A BURDEN WITH YOU OR ANY

In His Love,
Connie

Jesus Is Real · Feb 16, 2006

I personally like you.
This developed over time when I saw that you would make peace at a drop of a hat. (Even when young people speak to you flippantly).
I find this an excellent quality.

Ed,

lol I have died just a bit in my days,....I'll tell ya!
So, in some areas the flesh has burned off, the stentch has passed away and behold all things have become new. And some can smell the fragrance of it in Truth. BUT IT'S ALL JESUS - AND CONNIE'S FLESH BURNT OFF. ~in some areas, mind you~

Edial · Feb 16, 2006

jsisrl said:
Ed,

lol I have died just a bit in my days,....I'll tell ya!
So, in some areas the flesh has burned off, the stentch has passed away and behold all things have become new. And some can smell the fragrance of it in Truth. BUT IT'S ALL JESUS - AND CONNIE'S FLESH BURNT OFF. ~in some areas, mind you~

Jesus Is Real · Feb 16, 2006

... and to judge each other believers when improper behavior is observed -
1CO 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.

UPDATED: SORRY

Ed,

Here's my Prophet role and last time.
I will not repeat this, lest I offend you even more.

But of a truth I tell you, it is not an accurate Judgment when you say that a Jew SHOULD call themselves a Christian. Read it in context it's talking about suffering for the Name of Christ and for His Sake.

Meaning:-------> A SCENE AT WORK:

If a believing Jew doesn't gossip or carry on as the heathens do but they just

walk away from the group at work in the coffee room. As I call it, we just bow ourselves out graciously. But many will get offended.

-- Gossiping
They (in time) will be Persecuted for Christ' Sake because their NOT acting like the world, the flesh and the devil with them. Get it? THUS THEY ARE SUFFERING AS A CHRISTIAN, if they use this name in the group as he walks away or if they confront him of why he left. They will answer in a since, "It's not my ways any more to gossip and carry on like the world." AND THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED if or WHEN THEY ACCUSE HIM FOR BEING A CHRISTIAN. They are just not using that name: CHRIST NEVER CALLED HIMSELF THAT. And we in the Church are warned to NOT CALL OURSELVES 'A CHRISTIAN' IF we don't walk the talk. And by this example THIS JEW WHO WALKED AWAY FROM THE COFFEE ROOM - showed himself that HE, OF A TRUTH, "walked the talk."

So, have peace with this towards your Jewish Brothern OH MIGHTY MAN OF GOD - they are not mocking God,...if they walk in Christ' GOSPEL they are at rest and so can you.

If you are still not a rest with this, God will just have to communicate this to you for I am clear on this matter in my own heart and I have no reiling (sp?) accusations (even in the slightest) on this name calling issue. If they call themselves CHRISTIAN, it is well. If they don't but only use the word "Messianic Jew", it is well. For it is well.

Never Pushy,
Connie

Jesus Is Real · Feb 16, 2006

Connie said:
Ed,

lol I have died just a bit in my days,....I'll tell ya!
So, in some areas the flesh has burned off, the stentch has passed away and behold all things have become new. And some can smell the fragrance of it in Truth. BUT IT'S ALL JESUS - AND CONNIE'S FLESH BURNT OFF. ~in some areas, mind you~

Ed said:

Do you know what I am talking about here?

It goes back to the Canaanite Nations on the land, if we don't enter our own death with Christ we will never enter the Promised Land of Rest and Peace. Yes, this is in full context with the Bible - it's all over Paul's letters and in Jesus' Gospel.

Also, you read into the words of my entry into your CF journal.
You think that such posts convict me and the Lord is turning me away from the statements I made in this thread.
It is not the case. I feel more confident concerning my statements.

The only thing I hope He convicts us both of IS HIS KIND OF LOVE, which will only
produce a death....to live in HIM aright. But I'm still learning this Walk little by little.

'ing to you:
Connie

Hubby's home, my other duty calls!!!

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