Israel's future and Pat: Your view

[Tishri1]

You better be very careful which side you are on. For God is not forgiving of traitors and those who twist his Word. The enemies of Israel have been leveling their attacks against them since the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The largest blow was the manipulation of Scripture with the Masoretic Texts. Ofcourse who is suprised that so many of you do not see the truth. There will only be 144,000 elect of Israel at the end time. So you can continue to filibuster with long passages that have no bearing to the arguement at hand or you could read God's word and stop taking him for a liar because it says what it says whether you believe it or not.

your words are just killing my heart here

fact God loves his people
fact Jesus died for them
fact God will deliver then with his right arm Jesus
fact the Nation as a whole will repent and turn to Jesus as their King

now I cannot stay around anymore and let my spirit be grieved anymore by your hateful words

good bye

 

[GraceInHim]

You better be very careful which side you are on. For God is not forgiving of traitors and those who twist his Word. The enemies of Israel have been leveling their attacks against them since the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The largest blow was the manipulation of Scripture with the Masoretic Texts. Ofcourse who is suprised that so many of you do not see the truth. There will only be 144,000 elect of Israel at the end time. So you can continue to filibuster with long passages that have no bearing to the arguement at hand or you could read God's word and stop taking him for a liar because it says what it says whether you believe it or not.

from someone who does not even know the meaning of Gentiles.. I am a gentile woman, who became a Christian.. whom are grafted into the root of Abraham..

God chose Isaac not Ishmael.. Israel was his first born Exodus 4... not gentiles

 

[Jesus Is Real]

You are right, the things that whould be important are not issues presented so far but the attitude in which it is presented, as with any subject, the more someone is sure they the way that they think is the absolute, the more that they are intolerant of others.

It is more important to work in the spirit of truth, than forcing truth down someone's throat verablly or otherwise. Truth does not need defending. She has an advocate bigger than any of us. He will defend the truth far better than any of us can.

Flavors of the believers has become more bountiful than Baskin Robbin's choices. There are basic foundations that all followers should abide by, walking in the spirit of love, speaking truth without compromise, standing strong on the Word of God over any traditions, and praying without ceasing, ever giving ear to the Holy Spirit whisperings. No one is on the same page of learning and walking in the spirit of truth and righteousness. The Lord is leading and guiding everyone for their own walk with the Lord. They will also be judged by the Lord for their obedience and not by the what the Lord has taught someone else in truth. We are all here to be witnesses of His truth. For His truth has His signature upon it and we are to gather them up like fine rare gems. God never promised that they would only come from one man or one institution. He did however, promise that they would come from Him.

Messianics are a gathering here in the last days, that seeks to find the roots of this faith, some have gone to the days before the gentiles called them Christians. Messianics come in all favors usually manifesting some of the understanding from which they have gathered in their spiritual walks. Some of this will be excess baggage that the Lord will work in their hearts to let go of. Some of it will shine forth as gold and be shared with others as a witness of a wonderful find, like a pearl of great price. So while you may point and find flaws, it doesn't change the heart of the movement. A movement grown first out of a Rabbi's understanding of the Messiah, and the return to hebrew roots. Many gentiles rejoiced and have been grafted into this hebrew root faith. They may have brought what they had with them, but the spirit of rejoicing in the return to Jerusalem, the return to foundation of faith, the return to texts in their original setting, make this movement an exciting adventure in the truths in their proper setting.

We are all learning, and we are all wanting to be prepared to meet the Lord. We know that in the summary of all faiths is the personal relationship with God which is the true key that unlocks the mystery of godliness. I would not want you to trip and fall because of some term or definition that didn't work with your theology, I pray that you continue to grow closer to the Lord, have great inspirations as you read His Word, the courage to walk alone if necessary to obey the Lord, and the heart of love for your fellow man that the Lord has. May you be given the gift of tolerance, long suffering, and most of all patience.

visionary,

I am persuaded that when you speak of "the Lord" and you mentions His "Nature and Character":...

1. Walking in the spirit of love,
2. Speaking truth without compromise
3. Standing strong on the Word of God over any traditions
4. And praying without ceasing ever giving ear to the Holy Spirit whisperings
5. Love and Courage
6. long suffering
7. patience,
8. Being prepared in godliness to meet the Lord

,...That I am persuaded that you are speaking in the Name of Christ The Messiah. And I am persauded for His Name's sake that you are suffering as a 'Christian' since you are in process of laying down the old leaven of Sin where the world wants to you walk with them. But you are not of the world with it's lust no longer and so we all suffer for His Name. We all suffer because we won't follow the world in their acts no longer - we are dying daily to the world, the flesh, and the devil. PRAISE GOD.

In other words, all who hear Christ' Nature, even in your speech, can hear God's Heart as well because they have the same Nature within them due to God's Mercy and Grace - His Son. And I know that you are saying that Jesus (God's Son whom He sent) is LORD. I hear it so clear.

In God's Heart, all is well in The Messiah's Nature and Character.

And if there is any lacking, God is Faithful to complete it, as He is Faithful unto all who Call upon His name out of a pure heart. The Lord knows just have to train us up in '~killing our own flesh~' so that we can more and more Walk In His Love toward who ever is standing before us in line or behind us in line (so to speak.)

I bless you Visionary in the Name of who HAS GAINED YOU FOR HIS GLORY!!!

In His Love,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

your words are just killing my heart here

fact God loves his people
fact Jesus died for them
fact God will deliver then with his right arm Jesus
fact the Nation as a whole will repent and turn to Jesus as their King

now I cannot stay around anymore and let my spirit be grieved anymore by your hateful words

good bye

Tishri1,

No Problem what ethereous said,...we have no reiling (sp?) accusations to give him,...you know why?,.....because it's more for our own death to the flesh nature.

Just die to what 'sin' is billowing up,.....we can find even the slightest sin inside if we will Ask The Father. We mostly want to 'run away' when actually God is allowing it to what? TO PURIFY YOU. TO PURIFY ME.

My lady Minister admonishes us to actually 'thank them, bless them for nailing us more to the Cross' that our flesh will be more completely dead when we are reviled. God knows we need others to nail us on that cross - we might be able to nail our one hand up there but we need another to complete the job. My son's father was a good nailer for me when he KIDNAPPED MY SON from me. But did I want to run,....but my running was to run over him and TAKE HIS LIFE OUT. But God used this in my life to show me how much more HE still needed to CRUCIFY MY FLESH. And boy did it rise up and want it's lust fulfilled. But God,....

,....So then Ask Him how to die of flesh. So then when you are reviled you will GIVE GOD GLORY EVEN THAT MUCH MORE. Jesus openned not His mouth, He can get us to the point where we don't even feel it or rehash it even in our thoughts. It does take 'a death' though - this Walk With Christ will cost OUR WHOLE LIFE.

God will not put on you more than what you can handle to endure it right in the midst!

Be More Blessed my sister.
All is well with our soul,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Connie, you have truly opened up the Way for the Spirit to move upon the heart and there the spark of a new life can grow. The heart hardened can not see or hear, it needs to be broken and contrite first. May you ministry continue and grow. May the gentile patient, long suffering, tolerant Way come forth and shine with the shikinah glory. Bless you and may you continue to walk with the Lord doing His Will.

Visionary,

If what you say is so, 'cause all I see is more of my flesh that needs to more die but if God can move more freely through my death, then "His Way" is truly being paved TO THE TURNING OF MANY BACK TO GOD.

From the Natural Tree of Israel, having been engrafted in (unless I do have some Natural sap in me), I Bless you once more Visionary. And in so it Blesses The Whole Family of God.



Un-Prophet-able in my own nature,
Connie

 

[Edial]

Ed,

The spirit of what you are trying to make in thinking that ANY Messianics MUST call themselves Christian's is again: "BREAKING THE PATTERN OF GOD." It's actually a spirit of control, even when I do this - God is no respector of persons.

...

I am not saying that they MUST call themselves Christians.
I am saying that they SHOULD call themselves Christians.
(This should resolve the control part of your post).

And as I presented, they should call themselves Christians because Peter called all believers Christians and told them not to be ashamed to bear that name.

1PE 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Ed and everyone,

Rev 14:12-13
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. KJV

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I am not saying that they MUST call themselves Christians.
I am saying that they SHOULD call themselves Christians.
(This should resolve the control part of your post).

And as I presented, they should call themselves Christians because Peter called all believers Christians and told them not to be ashamed to bear that name.

1PE 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Thanks,
Ed

Ed there is much to say to you but I will say this:

Do you not see the 'Spirit of Glory and of God' resting on them who call upon the Name of the Lord?

I do, because it is so.

As they walk in Christ you are causing them to Suffer as a Christian yourself (because they are no rising up in the flesh),..they don't need to beat on others heads Whoms They Are your confirming the name of "Christian" on them already as was done before in times past. They are not ashamed to suffer in the flesh in ceasing from sin. But what you Quote does not confirm your frustrations towards Messianics but it only confirms your lack of understanding of God's Word. So read it again what you have quoted and ask God for The Holy Spirit to confirm to you what God's Heart is really saying.


LET'S SEE WHAT `THIS MATTER`IS ALL ABOUT:

"CHRISTIAN"
The matter is talking about SUFFERING FOR CHRIST:

1. Sufferings of Christ (vs. 13)
2. And being Insulted because of the name of Christ (vs. 14)

Ed, you are doing this unto these Messianic's already - you IN YOUR OWN LIFE ARE VALIDATING THAT THEY ARE 'CHRISTIANS' - THAT THEY ARE SUFFERING FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE.

So, Messianic's are not ASHAMED OF SUFFERING FOR CHRIST, why should they?

They don't have to point to themselves "as being A Christian by name" when you are 'believing' that it's Jesus plus something else, such as THEY SHOULD CALL THEMSELVES A "CHRISTIAN." Your persecution is doing that enough.

Haven't we learned in the Church that to 'say your a Christian' doesn't make you A CHRISTIAN but it's YOUR LIFE THROUGH HIM THAT BEARS WITNESS - GOD BEARING THEM WITNESS AS WELL. SO IT'S THEIR LIFE THAT SHOUTS 'I AM OF CHRIST' OR IT WILL BE THEIR LIFE THAT SHOUTS I AM AN UNGODLY MAN.

Notice Paul didn't say, ",...So Yes all should call themselves a Christian as I call myself one too".
Notice Paul didn't say, ",....So now CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN, THIS IS GOD'S COMMANDMENT."

But Paul did say, "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER WITH A FERVERT HEART." And this IS GOD'S COMMANDMENT.

So, Ed you'll see it in their fruit of Love for God and for the Brethren. Test this and then when you see God's Love abiding in all Grace - rejoice that you have been called to See God's Salvation upon people. More than what Moses even got to see. So even Visionary and Tishri1 show much love and much patience with you and with many more here - so do you think that they are not dying daily with you as they too are putting to death the deed of their own flesh nature which is just like Satan but now they die with you as they in their behaviors follow CHRIST. Why are you believing them to be your target, is it not because of a lack of peace in your own heart? You war and stive over certain things which don't profit. They are on your part and if they see you literally dying they will run to die with you - knowing they are of Christ as well.

So why does your heart weary so, friend? If you have been saved, Rejoice and Rest with others who also rejoice in their Salvation.

They are not to be rebuked or debated with who has embraced Christ' Nature and who have embraced Christ' Character - but rejoiced over and esteemed them in Praise To God due to His Spirit upon them whom they have believed upon.

CORRECT TRANSLATIONS:

1 Peter 4:16-17
16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. NKJV

1 Peter 4:15-17
16 But it is no shame to suffer for being a Christian. Praise God for the privilege of being in Christ's family and being called by his wonderful name! TLB

Rest,
Connie

 

[Edial]

they were not written by the Author they were ADDED by someone other than the Author Himself

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[Edial]

Tishri1,

No Problem what ethereous said,...we have no realing accusations to give him,...you know why?,.....because it's more for our own death to the flesh nature.

Just die to what 'sin' is billowing up,.....we can find even the slightest sin inside if we will Ask The Father. We mostly want to 'run away' when actually God is allowing it to what? TO PURIFY YOU. TO PURIFY ME.

My lady Minister admonishes us to actually 'thank them, bless them for nailing us more to the Cross' that our flesh will be more completely dead when we are reviled. God knows we need others to nail us on that cross - we might be able to nail our one hand up there but we need another to complete the job. My son's father was a good nailer for me when he KIDNAPPED MY SON from me. But did I want to run,....but my running was to run over him and TAKE HIS LIFE OUT. But God used this in my life to show me how much more HE still needed to CRUCIFY MY FLESH. And boy did it rise up and want it's lust fulfilled. But God,....

,....So then Ask Him how to die of flesh. So then when you are reviled you will GIVE GOD GLORY EVEN THAT MUCH MORE. Jesus openned not His mouth, He can get us to the point where we don't even feel it or rehash it even in our thoughts. It does take 'a death' though - this Walk With Christ will cost OUR WHOLE LIFE.

God will not put on you more than what you can handle to endure it right in the midst!

Be More Blessed my sister.
All is well with our soul,
Connie

Connie, your minister is a lady?

 

[Edial]

from someone who does not even know the meaning of Gentiles.. I am a gentile woman, who became a Christian.. whom are grafted into the root of Abraham..

God chose Isaac not Ishmael.. Israel was his first born Exodus 4... not gentiles

There are many examples in the Scriptures that the one that is born first often takes the back seat to others.

It is amazing. The gentiles are told not to be arrogant in their attitude towards the Messianics, and it is the Messianics who appear to be doing that.

Fascinating.

Ed

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Connie, your minister is a lady?

Ed,

Yes she is.

Her husband pasted away and she is carrying on the Ministry. You might even learn from her pointing to CHRIST but rather to learn from WHOMS SHE IS TOO.

Father help Ed in Jesus Name as you have helped me to see Your Love!!!

Who has hurt you so bad that you have remained in so much destructive Judgments? I don't say this to be smart, but to carry your burden.

Asking,
Connie

 

[Edial]

Ed,

Yes she is.

Her husband pasted away and she is carrying on the Ministry. You might even learn from her pointing to CHRIST but rather to learn from WHOMS SHE IS TOO.

Connie, why do you think the NT discourages women to be Pastors?
What do you think about Apostle Paul's (the Jew) writings?
Please answer both questions.

Father help Ed in Jesus Name as you have helped me to see Your Love!!!

Who has hurt you so bad that you have remained in so much destructive Judgments? I don't say this to be smart, but to carry your burden.

Asking,
Connie

Connie, why do you presume that people hurt me in the past? It does not appear to be your gift to discern.
I am not saying that I do not appreciate your intent. I am saying that you appear to be acting on your discernment and presumptions.

And this prayer to the Father?
What can I say?
Say no? How can I?
But please understand that your presumptions are often incorrect.
I am still struggling when people openly pray for me while involved in a conversation.

I feel a certain sense of intentional intimidation, while the name of God is invoked.
It could be just a habit.
I do not know.

Not yet.

I'll answer this later.

Ed

 

[GraceInHim]

Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."​

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel

Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."


In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.
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[GraceInHim]

I think some Woman discern the times better then some Men JMO

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Connie, why do you think the NT discourages women to be Pastors?
What do you think about Apostle Paul's (the Jew) writings?
Please answer both questions.


Connie, why do you presume that people hurt me in the past? It does not appear to be your gift to discern.
I am not saying that I do not appreciate your intent. I am saying that you appear to be acting on your discernment and presumptions.

And this prayer to the Father?
What can I say?
Say no? How can I?
But please understand that your presumptions are often incorrect.
I am still struggling when people openly pray for me while involved in a conversation.

I feel a certain sense of intentional intimidation, while the name of God is invoked.
It could be just a habit.
I do not know.

Not yet.

I'll answer this later.

Ed

Ed,

We are all one in Christ Jesus, do you think Gal. 3:28 contradicts 1 Tim. 2:12?

Gal 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.KJV

Gal 4:6
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.KJV

1 Tim 2:12
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
KJV

1 Tim 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.KJV

So,...a man in Christ is THE difference.
And so a women in Christ is THE difference, Ed. JUDGE THE CAKE BATTER INGREDIENCE!


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Ed, If someone gave you a cake batter but this cake batter didn't have salt in it and it was pretty empty and bland inside, others would warn you to not make this cake for it will taste very bad.

But if in time another New Cake Batter (unlike any other cake batters in the world) was given to you, that had all the ingrediences inside of it which gave you health, it would be well for you to go ahead and make up this New Cake Batter - for all to eat in your house as a blessing to all.
__________________

You decide!

But - YES- those who are unlearned are to be silence, Ed. Those who are still in deception. So the Women - out side of Christ (THE FIRST CAKE BATTER), first and for most - like Eve who wasn't in Christ (THE FIRST CAKE BATTER) and gave 'bad fruit' to Adam for she was deceived, needs to learn at home by her Believing Husband - YES.

In other words, a deceived women (which was Eve - THE FIRST CAKE BATTER) is not to teach. Notice Paul the Jew points at DECEIVED Eve in making THIS VERY POINT. This is a Spiritual Word as well just like the harlot in Revelation is a Spiritual Word. In other words, if we are not in the Love of God, God calls us an Adulterous harlot. Read the whole Context of this Word in 1 Tim. 2:12.

Again, notice 'this woman' in 1 Tim 2:12 is likened to EVE who was deceived by The Devil and gave Adam WRONG MEAT TO EAT - WHICH WAS FORBIDDEN FRUIT BY GOD. She gave Him 'the world' - the Lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the boastful pride of life. EVE WAS DECEIVED AND GAVE ADAM SATAN'S WRONG DOCTRINE.

God's Word being fed through any is not forbidden for any to speak, as long as they have waited on their calling. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.

When you read 1 Tim. 2:12 about 'women', in the Love of Christ, things will change for you but mostly the better for others who are around you. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.

I take it you don't receive any edification from Joyce Meyer - let's say then, eh? Pitty - She, being a Spiritual son of God, can teach many a thing or 2 where as God is blessing many. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.


So you are not benefited at all from Joyce Meyer? Well many, even one woman filled with the Spirit of God - in Meekness and in The Love of God might touch your life some day where you will say, "FATHER YOU BLESSED ME THROUGH THIS WOMEN." As we women are also blessed by many a great men of God filled with His Spirit. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.

Since your not looking for a blessing from me, though still I'll say this: God works through my lady Minister in equipping the saints. She teaches many through the Holy Spirit - God is not offened by her, you shouldn't either. She is not pressured to teach, it's a joy to her to the equipping the saints in God's Word. She is a eunuch of God unto the Body - the Lord has told her. I don't expect, you to understand, if you have never heard her. But I do expect your humility and so does God's Word. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.

When I pray for you - receive it. But if you don't, then don't.
If we were speaking face to face, that would be one thing,...and after I speak with you I would pray for you - you are troubled about many things and so you are attacking many people. You have been hurt Sir. We pray for you and we are carrying your burdens though you don't want to be transparent with me or others. Regarding your hurts I'm just stating the obvious. I don't laught at you,....and you are hurt. Hey, we all have hurts and wounds that are still being healed. But what you do with others you are showing your resistance to the very Love of God and toward His Body, for your own healing. But By Christ' stripes you are healed - but you must believe. And there is healing balm in Christ' body. The Lord will just have to communicate this to you.

CHRIST MAKES ALL THE DIFFERNCE, ED.


Wait on The Lord, as I too have to.
Be Healed,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I feel a certain sense of intentional intimidation, while the name of God is invoked.
It could be just a habit.
I do not know.

Ed,

Ok you have the floor, what are you meaning here?

Or am I being accused of, by you, now again?

You seem to switch this on to who ever will speak to you in Love. Brother this ought not to be so. Can't you judge even this matter? I know God can show you, if you Ask Him. I have to ask Him, when I see that I'm not walking in His Love towards others.


So let's just get all your Judgments on the table and deal with them, shall we?
So then,...we ALL CAN MOVE ON, OK?



Be not troubled,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I think some Woman discern the times better then some Men JMO

We are even EXCELLENT 'help-mates' to our spouses, when we lay down our own desires to aid him. Unlike how Eve was deceived and gave bad friut to Adam. Eve, being deceived, Lorded over Adam by listening to Satan's ways in questioning God and they both suffered loss. In this case, they were driven out of The Garden of Eden. When we disobey God we are either driven out, or kept from entering in.

But if we repent and believe God - when Jesus comes to us through His Spirit for corrections and edifications and such, we will be blessed going out and bless coming in with our affairs in life.

Night-Marina.

Your a blessing,

 

[visionary]

Deborah was unique among the women, and men, of Bible History in that she was prophetess, a judge and a military leader all in one - a powerful triple combination of authority and responsibility held by only two other Israelites, Moses and Samuel.
Dated at approximately 1200 B.C., Deborah served as a judge at "the palm tree of Deborah" in southern Ephraim between Ramah and Bethel, thereby possibly making her of the tribe of Ephraim, as was Joshua earlier. She was referred to as the "mother of Israel" because of her leadership in the battle against Canaanite oppression.

Victory Over Sisera

"After Ehud died, the Israelites once again did evil in the eyes of The Lord. So The Lord sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to The Lord for help."

"Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [traditionally judging] Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided. She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, "The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: 'Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor. I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.'"

"Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go."

"Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for The Lord will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him."

"Now Heber the Kenite had left the other Kenites, the descendants of Hobab, Moses' brother-in-law, and pitched his tent by the great tree in Zaanannim near Kedesh."

"When they told Sisera that Barak son of Abinoam had gone up to Mount Tabor, Sisera gathered together his nine hundred iron chariots and all the men with him, from Harosheth Haggoyim to the Kishon River."

"Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day The Lord has given Sisera into your hands. Has not The Lord gone ahead of you?" So Barak went down Mount Tabor, followed by ten thousand men. At Barak's advance, The Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and army by the sword, and Sisera abandoned his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and army as far as Harosheth Haggoyim. All the troops of Sisera fell by the sword; not a man was left." (Judges 4:1-16 NIV)

 

[Edial]

Ed,

Ok you have the floor, what are you meaning here?

Or am I being accused of, by you, now again?

You seem to switch this on to who ever will speak to you in Love. Brother this ought not to be so. Can't you judge even this matter? I know God can show you, if you Ask Him. I have to ask Him, when I see that I'm not walking in His Love towards others.


So let's just get all your Judgments on the table and deal with them, shall we?
So then,...we ALL CAN MOVE ON, OK?



Be not troubled,
Connie

I said this.

And this prayer to the Father?
What can I say?
Say no? How can I?
But please understand that your presumptions are often incorrect.
I am still struggling when people openly pray for me while involved in a conversation.

I feel a certain sense of intentional intimidation, while the name of God is invoked.
It could be just a habit.
I do not know.

Not yet.

I'll answer this later.

Ed

As I said, I will not answer this yet.

... But concerning your statements about being judgemental or having a lack of judgement - I am not taking this seriously. Sorry.
I am not saying I will not take such statement seriously in every case, but this is not one of the cases.
I am also not intentionally disrespecting you. Not my intent.
It is just there are other areas in this thread that do not make these statements of yours valid. (And No, being a woman has nothing to do with that ).


Thanks,
Ed