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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Aussie Pete

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South Africa should fix its own problems before criticising others. The first 3 months of 2023 there were 70 murders a day.
 
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You believe the numbers quoted by an organisation that said that it killed no civlians in Israel? No doubt civilians are dying. However, Hamas is utterly untrustworthy. Every casualty in this conflict is entirely the responsibility of Hamas.
 
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Every casualty in this conflict is entirely the responsibility of Hamas.

Every single one on both sides of this conflict.... True, true, true.
 
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CNN claims that this video was not filtered or censored by the IDF.
Well one wonders what CNN did to receive such special treatment. The journalist is with the IDF at all times so apparently could not move at will. No doubt the IDF will say it is for his safety but what do the people of Gaza do for their safety under such bombardment? Yes he could choose the questions to ask but that is the case for other journalists. He is clearly there to give credence to the IDF claims. I noted they omitted the Hamas guards list where the names of the guards just happened to be the days of the week.
 
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This part does not make any sense, IMO.
Actually because we have been a nation that believes in justice
What nation have we been?
As a besides I want to inform you upfront I have been Christian since 2014, prior to that I was Muslim. This game I have skin in, so to speak. I also know what I'm talking about when I do.
I think this part also does not make much sense.
 
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There are reports of far more strikes against the hospital:
Al-Shifa Hospital siege - Wikipedia
Note the claims above have linked references.

But given that the IDF had the hospital surrounded where are all the Hamas that would have been in the alleged huge Hamas central command complex. Were they there when the hospital was being attacked?

I've also seen a report that the IDF took out the al Shifa oxygen concentrator plant which is for incubators and critically ill patients not Hamas.

Al-Shifa hospital ran out of clean water after storage tanks on the roof of the facility were struck in the bombardments, which also hit oxygen supplies in the complex,
Under bombardment, Gaza medics fight to save patients with no power, water or food
 
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This is very very off topic.
 
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Doesn't look like the alleged huge Hamas central command complex.
It is hard to say right now. There was a Hamas presence in the hospital but perhaps it can be separated from whatever is underneath it and who hides there. No one denies that Hamas is using tunnels and even Al Jazeerah suspects tunnels under this hospital:

 
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Is that what you believe? That God is punishing the modern day secular state of Israel?

Edit, actually, I'll retract this question as it's off topic.
 
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You believe the numbers quoted by an organisation that said that it killed no civlians in Israel? No doubt civilians are dying. However, Hamas is utterly untrustworthy. Every casualty in this conflict is entirely the responsibility of Hamas.

I don't automatically believe the numbers cited by the health ministry.
But here is what I do know: Dropping 2000 lb bombs in a densly populated area will kill a lot of people.
Common sense.
 
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The bodies of two hostages abducted by Hamas on Oct. 7 were found in buildings near Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital, the Israeli military said.
Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, a spokesman for Israel’s military, said Friday that the body of 19-year-old soldier Cpl. Noa Marciano was discovered at a structure near the hospital. Her family was notified after medical officials and military rabbis identified her body, he added.
Marciano’s funeral took place on Friday.
On Thursday, Hagari wrote on social media that the family of another hostage, named by the IDF as Yehudit Weiss, was informed after her body was found in a building, also near al-Shifa, which he said contained weaponry.
Weiss had been taken hostage from the Beeri kibbutz on Oct. 7 during Hamas’s attacks on Israel, according to Hagari. Israeli media reported that her husband was found murdered in the safe room of her building after the attack and that Weiss had been battling cancer at the time of her abduction.

 
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It may take some time (days, weeks?) to know the extent of Hamas operations under the hospital complex.

Almost 48 hours after entering Gaza’s largest medical complex, the Israeli military escorted New York Times journalists through a landscape of wartime destruction Thursday night to a stone-and-concrete shaft on its grounds with a staircase descending into the earth — evidence, it said, of a Hamas military facility under the hospital.

But Col. Elad Tsury, commander of Israel’s Seventh Brigade, said Israeli forces, fearing booby traps, had not ventured down the shaft at the hospital, Al-Shifa. He said it had been discovered earlier in the day under a pile of sand on the northern perimeter of the complex.

In the darkness, it was unclear where the shaft led or how deep it went, although the military said it had sent a drone down at least several meters. Electrical wiring was visible inside, along with a metal staircase.

 
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Israel cannot continue to deny food, water and health services to the people of Gaza. It's reaching a point where thousands could die of disease from unsanitary conditions and starvation.

A U.N. human rights official said Israel must allow water and fuel into Gaza to restart the water supply network otherwise people would die of thirst and disease. Israel's actions were a breach of international law, Pedro Arrojo-Agudo said.

 
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