Israel-Hamas Thread II

[truthpls]

Sure it was. All they had to do was walk out of their tunnels and wave the white flags. Your just making excuses for terrorists now.

No, it was always a pipe dream sham of a demand.

 

[truthpls]

Oh? What do you call a war?

Armies fighting each other. Like David and Goliath. Alexander the Great fighting other armies.

Gee that's what happens in war. Didn't you know that. Israel has been under attack for years and then suffered the murder of 1200 of it's civilians by the same terrorist organization and then went to war against them.

Then go get the criminals. Not the children

These are the things that happen when trying to defeat the enemy. Good countries try to prevent civilian losses which is what Israel did.

Good countries do not attack hospitals and children and civilians and etc

Evil terrorists try to create civilian loses and that's what they did by preventing people from leaving.

That is what was done by attacking a highly populated area

These are legitimate and legal war tactics.

No. Targeting civilians and collective punishment and attacking hospitals are crimes against humanity.

Hamas however has broken international law by harboring among civilians, using them as shields, preventing their escape from a war zone, using hospitals, schools as bases and attack positions utilizing ambulances to move their little evil terrorists around.

What kind of shield is it when it has no preventative power? Citizens are bombed anyhow!

 

[truthpls]

It's a good thing Israel didn't do that then.

It has done that. The prison territory is in ruins, mountains of children were killed etc etc

 

[truthpls]

The "shelling" occured 1 week ago (wounding a couple of men). It appears to be single object that fell and was not followed by other rounds...suggesting that it was likely a mistake.

When Israel moved troops into the hospital complex over the last 48 hours they reportedly engaged fighters at the entrance. Otherwise, there was no attack on the hospital itself or inside the buildings.
Israel had intel. They acted on it as any army would.

Reports said snipers killed nurses etc in the hospital. Just who they 'engaged' is a matter of rumor.

 

[Desk trauma]

Then go get the criminals.

They are.

 

[truthpls]

They are.

No, they are killing people. The sort of extreme hatred for people we see here demonstrates to all the universe that Israel does not have the love of God in them. When God does what He will do and sends His wrath on the world that will center in Israel, everyone will see that He is just and holy for doing so. Get ready.

 

[rjs330]

No, it was always a pipe dream sham of a demand.

Why? Because you know Hamas wouldn't surrender and would rather make sure civilians died to protect them? It's not a sham if it can be done. It could be done. Just because they refuse to do it doesn't mean it's a sham. You want to pressure Israel but refuse to pressure Hamas. That should tell you something.

Notice the difference? Israeli soldiers are dying to protect their civilians. Hamas is making sure their civilians are dying to protect them.

And you see moral equivalence. You're funny.

 

[Desk trauma]

No, they are killing people. The sort of extreme hatred for people we see here demonstrates to all the universe that Israel does not have the love of God in them. When God does what He will do and sends His wrath on the world that will center in Israel, everyone will see that He is just and holy for doing so. Get ready.

2,000 years of the end is nigh blunts the impact of that a tad.

 

[truthpls]

Why? Because you know Hamas wouldn't surrender and would rather make sure civilians died to protect them?

If they demanded Israel surrender do you think they would?

It's not a sham if it can be done. It could be done. Just because they refuse to do it doesn't mean it's a sham. You want to pressure Israel but refuse to pressure Hamas. That should tell you something.

It was not real. To bomb and kill many many thousands of people and torture them with deprivation and relocation etc because some terrorists would not come out of hiding is a ridiculous excuse.

Notice the difference? Israeli soldiers are dying to protect their civilians.

They are also making babies and children die by the thousands. That is protecting someone?? No. Sounds more like the soldiers are dying to kill!

Hamas is making sure their civilians are dying to protect them.

It is Israel that attacked the population and killed people actually. If some demented terrorists are hiding in the population we would not call the population 'their' civilians. Maybe some were so silly as to think that Israel was civilized and would not attack a highly populated area, I don't know. I doubt that, since they know from history that disproportional collective punishment is the new normal for Israel.

And you see moral equivalence. You're funny.

No. I see that Israel is conducting the even greater terrorism.

 

[truthpls]

2,000 years of the end is nigh blunts the impact of that a tad.

No. The telltale focus of the last seven years is Israel. The time of Jacob's trouble. The countries who will attack and kill most of Israel are now in line. Turkey, Iran and others. The stage is set. And now all the world can see that God is perfectly just in allowing the curtain to be drawn on the final scene.

 

[rjs330]

Armies fighting each other. Like David and Goliath. Alexander the Great fighting other armies.

Well we have Hamas, a terrorist army fighting an Israeli army. I guess we have a war.

Then go get the criminals. Not the children

That's what they are doing. It's interesting you didn't realize that.

Good countries do not attack hospitals and children and civilians and etc

Sure they do if that's where the enemy is fighting from. Gee even the international la s say that.

That is what was done by attacking a highly populated area

My point exactly. Hamas prevents people from leaving them hides among them forcing people to be their shields. That makes THEM the bad guys. If your neighbor killed members of your family or friends in your house and then went to their house and hid behind their family and friends I guess you'd be the bad guy for going after them.

Now let's say your neighbor has been shooting into your house for a long time and kills your friends once in a while. Then comes over and kills a bunch of your family and friends. Then goes home and hides. Tells you that he's going to keep doing it.

You've had enough so go to get him, but he hides behind his family and friends and starts shooting at you.

I guess you go home and keep getting shot at and letting your own family and friends get killed by your neighbor. Aren't you just the good guy.

No. Targeting civilians and collective punishment and attacking hospitals are crimes against humanity.

Nope, not if the enemy is hiding and launching attacks from there.

What kind of shield is it when it has no preventative power? Citizens are bombed anyhow!

Oh but it does. You are evidence of that. So is France, Great Britian, the UN and everyone else who is pressuring Israel to stop the war. There is more to terrorism than just burning babies alive. There is psychological terrorism and it's what you are falling for. You are evidence of it.

 

[truthpls]

Well we have Hamas, a terrorist army fighting an Israeli army. I guess we have a war.

No, because Israel is attacking the people not Hamas. They are treating citizens as targets.

That's what they are doing. It's interesting you didn't realize that.

The bombs fall on civilians, not Hamas.

Sure they do if that's where the enemy is fighting from. Gee even the international la s say that.

The doctors in the hospital did not say Hamas was there. On the contrary.

My point exactly. Hamas prevents people from leaving them hides among them forcing people to be their shields. That makes THEM the bad guys. If your neighbor killed members of your family or friends in your house and then went to their house and hid behind their family and friends I guess you'd be the bad guy for going after them.

No it makes Hamas cowards IF they were doing what you say. Perhaps when apartments were blown up, Hamas was far away under the ground in tunnels? You do not get to blow up people and pretend it is attacking Hamas.

Now let's say your neighbor has been shooting into your house for a long time and kills your friends once in a while. Then comes over and kills a bunch of your family and friends. Then goes home and hides. Tells you that he's going to keep doing it.

You've had enough so go to get him, but he hides behind his family and friends and starts shooting at you.

That is not the situation in Gaza. Israel is mass murdering civilians. They have no clue where Hamas is!

Nope, not if the enemy is hiding and launching attacks from there.

If a sniper shoots from say, one of the former twin towers, do you blow up the whole tower?

Oh but it does. You are evidence of that. So is France, Great Britian, the UN and everyone else who is pressuring Israel to stop the war. There is more to terrorism than just burning babies alive. There is psychological terrorism and it's what you are falling for. You are evidence of it.

Evidence of what? Israel bombed the people regardless of what anyone thought. The people were not shields! They were target practice!

 

[Hazelelponi]

That's what they are doing. It's interesting you didn't realize that

What are we supposed to do just go through this over and over like broken records to an audience that never hears us?

I do wonder, but this is getting really bad now... You seen Bin Laden is now viral on Twitter being praised?

I just don't know what we are to do...

Sorry. Need to wonder out loud...

 

[Desk trauma]

No. The telltale focus of the last seven years is Israel. The time of Jacob's trouble. The countries who will attack and kill most of Israel are now in line. Turkey, Iran and others. The stage is set. And now all the world can see that God is perfectly just in allowing the curtain to be drawn on the final scene.

Yeah, there were detailed interpretations for why the end was nigh the other 2,000 years also.

 

[truthpls]

Yeah, there were detailed interpretations for why the end was nigh the other 2,000 years also.

Either we believe the bible or not. If one is familiar with prophesies of that time, it would be clear that the focus of that tribulation is Israel. Some people may have wondered why God would allow Israel, Even though in unbelief, to go through that horrible time. Who would wonder now?

 

[trophy33]

I just don't know what we are to do...

We are to be on the side of civilians, to be against invading countries, to be against evil and oppression in any form and with any label.

On the other hand, we do not need to pick any (political) side in any conflict. There is almost always some evil, lies, manipulation and injustice on any side.

We = Christians.

 

[Desk trauma]

Either we believe the bible or not.

Option two right here.

If one is familiar with prophesies of that time, it would be clear that the focus of that tribulation is Israel.

Yes, the current eschatology is totes different because reasons. I know.

 

[truthpls]

Option two right here.

So, like Israel you don't believe. OK

Yes, the current eschatology is totes different because reasons. I know.

Is this ripe with meaning in your own head?

 

[mindlight]

There were tunnels and weapons caches at Al shifa

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-it-has-clear-information-linking-shifa-hospital-to-hamas-held-hostages/

 

[Hazelelponi]

We are to be on the side of civilians, to be against invading countries, to be against evil and oppression in any form and with any label

Sure - if you're a Marxist.

But I'm not a Marxist, I'm a Christian and in the Christianity the Bible teaches what Christians should be on the side of is Justice. Period. Not "civilian's", not "against invading countries" not one man's view of what "oppression" even is, but Justice.. in God's view.

On the other hand, we do not need to pick any (political) side in any conflict

Actually because we have been a nation that believes in justice and as a society generally feel we should help those in need of helping if we have ability (a concept out of what was once a more collective faith and world view, one based in Christian faith) we rather do have to pick a side if we want to voice an opinion - either at the polls in voting for the best candidate or in letter format to our elected representatives - about what our tax dollars are being spent on...

An important thing to have an opinion and voice on, all things considered.

As a besides I want to inform you upfront I have been Christian since 2014, prior to that I was Muslim. This game I have skin in, so to speak. I also know what I'm talking about when I do.