Israel-Hamas Thread II

[civilwarbuff]

And I take it from that we will continue to ignore Kenturah and her descendants.

Yep, at least according to God
Genesis 17
19 But God replied, “No—Sarah, your wife, will give birth to a son for you. You will name him Isaac,[d] and I will confirm my covenant with him and his descendants as an everlasting covenant. 20 As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will be confirmed with Isaac, who will be born to you and Sarah about this time next year.” 22 When God had finished speaking, he left Abraham.

 

[rjs330]

Genesis 17, the promised land is clear about Caanan, so not philistia

God clarified the exact boundaries in Exodus.

And I will set thy bounds from the Red Sea even unto the Sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river; for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and thou shalt drive them out before thee. Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against Me; for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.”
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 23:31, Exodus 23:32, Exodus 23:33 - 21st Century King James Version

Gaza in the Bible | Sefaria

www.sefaria.org

 

[rjs330]

God gave the Israelites an empire with “some assembly required” but didn’t really care if they got this done earlier or now?

Rhe Jews actually took Gaza, but didn't do as God commanded to drive them out and have suffered the consequences of their failure to do as God commanded.

Biblically they have a right to the land.

 

[Pommer]

Rhe Jews actually took Gaza, but didn't do as God commanded to drive them out and have suffered the consequences of their failure to do as God commanded.

Biblically they have a right to the land.

And what right to they have with the people who currently occupy it?

 

[rjs330]

And what right to they have with the people who currently occupy it?

Well that's a matter of opinion since I don't think the Philistines exist anymore unless the Palestinians are descendants if them. That I don't know about.

 

[essentialsaltes]

ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Hamas and Israeli government officials​

Karim Khan said he had “reasonable grounds” to believe that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant were responsible for crimes including starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, willful killing and murder, intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population and extermination.

The ICC charged Israeli officials with starving Gaza. What happens now?​

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant are the first individuals to be formally accused by an international court of deliberate starvation.

Legal scholars and aid officials say Khan’s move [for arrest warrants] is a testament to the strength of the case, though he will face practical and procedural hurdles as the process unfolds.

To address the starvation charge, which legal experts say is probably the strongest, the judges must weigh whether there is enough evidence to conclude that the factors driving Gaza’s hunger crisis amount to official Israeli government policy or a series of independent events.

The only sitting heads of state to be indicted by the ICC are former Sudanese president Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who was never arrested by a member state, and Russian President Vladmir Putin, who remains at large. The court has convicted five men of war crimes and crimes against humanity, all African militia leaders.

What makes this case stand out, Khan said, is not just the rapidly deteriorating situation on the ground in Gaza, but also “official statements by the two individuals being charged.”

Two days [after the Hamas terror attack], Gallant declared on video that he had ordered a “full siege” of Gaza. “No electricity, no food, no fuel,” he said. “We are fighting animals, and we will act accordingly.”

On Oct. 18, Netanyahu said Israel would not allow humanitarian assistance into Gaza until Hamas released the more than 250 hostagesthey had taken during their attack.

...the comments by Netanyahu and Gallant suggest “there is an official policy, a plan, to deprive the people of Gaza of sustenance.”

In addition to aid shortfalls, Israeli airstrikes and bulldozers have destroyed farms, greenhouses and orchards, devastating the enclave’s ability to grow its own food. Military operations have also heavily damaged Gaza’s water grid, electricity network and health-care system.

Children began dying from complications of malnutrition as early as February, doctors told The Post at the time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israeli protesters block highways, call for cease-fire to return hostages from Gaza​

Protesters blocked main roads and demonstrated outside of the homes of government ministers.

 

[Valletta]

US Justice Department probes Hamas onslaught, interviews survivors, families of victims​

While the investigation partly focuses on acts of terrorism, a significant portion is dedicated to uncovering the financial networks that have enabled Hamas. This includes examining potential support from countries such as Iran and Qatar, and whether any financing involved US financial institutions or assets​

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/10/report-us-justice-department-probes-hamas-onslaught-interviews-survivors-families-of-victims/

 

[Valletta]

'Academia invented anti-colonialist theories and uses them to fight Zionism'​

"At the most basic level, the hatred we are witnessing has to do with the fact that these students act on masse and cover their faces, with a keffiyeh or a mask. They are literally going through a process of de-individuation, which allows them to spew out evil. These are really signs of a cult."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/10/academia-invented-anti-colonialist-theories-and-use-them-to-fight-zionism/

 

[Pommer]

'Academia invented anti-colonialist theories and uses them to fight Zionism'​

"At the most basic level, the hatred we are witnessing has to do with the fact that these students act on masse and cover their faces, with a keffiyeh or a mask. They are literally going through a process of de-individuation, which allows them to spew out evil. These are really signs of a cult."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/10/academia-invented-anti-colonialist-theories-and-use-them-to-fight-zionism/

Wow, I haven’t seen a defense for colonialism in quite some time, nice “find”!

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israel tells 'everyone in Gaza City' to leave​

The Israeli military has told all residents of Gaza City to evacuate south to the central Gaza Strip, amid intensified operations in the north.

Back to square one.

The first evacuation order was given on 13 October 2023, one week after Hamas led an attack on Israel from Gaza. Israel officials told the 1.1 million Gazans who lived north of the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City, to evacuate within 24 hours.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israel targets Hamas military leader; 71 killed in Mawasi strike, officials say, hundreds injured​

Israeli officials said the IDF had targeted the leader of Hamas’s military wing, Mohammed Deif, as Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 71 people had been killed.

Two Israeli officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the strike, confirmed that the Israel Defense Forces targeted Deif and another commander, Rafa Salama on Saturday, and described them as “two of the masterminds of the October 7th Massacre.”

The IDF said in a statement that it carried out a strike “in an area where two senior Hamas terrorists and additional terrorists hid among civilians,” without including the names of the targets or whether they were hit. Deif has evaded multiple Israeli assassination attempts in the past, although some members of his family have been killed.

Mawasi’s population swelled in May after Israel issued evacuation orders for parts of Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city, and told hundreds of thousands of people — many of whom had already been displaced from elsewhere in the territory — to seek safety in designated “humanitarian zones.”

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CNN is more explicit:

Al-Mawasi has been designated by Israel as a safe zone for Palestinians fleeing the fighting raging in Gaza.

The strikes hit an area where displaced people were sheltering, according to the ministry. Videos from the scene show locals and rescue teams trying to unearth several people still trapped.

In May, the International Criminal Court said it was seeking arrest warrants for Deif and other senior Hamas figures, saying they had “reasonable grounds” to believe they bore responsibility for the October 7 attacks, which saw around 1,200 Israelis killed.

 

[Valletta]

Israel targets Hamas military leader; 71 killed in Mawasi strike, officials say, hundreds injured​

Israeli officials said the IDF had targeted the leader of Hamas’s military wing, Mohammed Deif, as Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 71 people had been killed.

Two Israeli officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the strike, confirmed that the Israel Defense Forces targeted Deif and another commander, Rafa Salama on Saturday, and described them as “two of the masterminds of the October 7th Massacre.”

The IDF said in a statement that it carried out a strike “in an area where two senior Hamas terrorists and additional terrorists hid among civilians,” without including the names of the targets or whether they were hit. Deif has evaded multiple Israeli assassination attempts in the past, although some members of his family have been killed.

Mawasi’s population swelled in May after Israel issued evacuation orders for parts of Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city, and told hundreds of thousands of people — many of whom had already been displaced from elsewhere in the territory — to seek safety in designated “humanitarian zones.”

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CNN is more explicit:

Al-Mawasi has been designated by Israel as a safe zone for Palestinians fleeing the fighting raging in Gaza.

The strikes hit an area where displaced people were sheltering, according to the ministry. Videos from the scene show locals and rescue teams trying to unearth several people still trapped.

In May, the International Criminal Court said it was seeking arrest warrants for Deif and other senior Hamas figures, saying they had “reasonable grounds” to believe they bore responsibility for the October 7 attacks, which saw around 1,200 Israelis killed.

Mohammed Deif was known as "The Guest," allegedly sleeping in a different place each night, leaving others to fight and die. Deif was one of the planners of October 7th and was involved in prior kidnappings and murders of Israelis. He also was one who is said to have been the architect for the Gaza tunnel system.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israel targets Hamas military leader; 71 killed in Mawasi strike, officials say, hundreds injured​

Israeli officials said the IDF had targeted the leader of Hamas’s military wing, Mohammed Deif, as Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 71 people had been killed. Al-Mawasi has been designated by Israel as a safe zone for Palestinians fleeing the fighting raging in Gaza.

Update

Israeli strike targets Hamas military commander and kills at least 90 in southern Gaza​

Israeli officials confirmed that Deif and Salama were the targets. A military official later said they were “still checking and verifying the result of the strike,” and did not deny it took place inside the Israeli-designated safe zone.

 

[rjs330]

It's astounding to me to think there are people here who are appalled at a safe zone being hit because hamas was there. Do people not understand that hamas will go anywhere? They've been in schools, hospitals, and transporting in ambulances. What on earth makes us think they wouldn't go into a safe zone? Of course they would because either two things will happen. They will be safe or they place Palestinians in danger as they hide behind them.

I should be clear right now there is no safe place for Hamas and until Hanas is beaten there will be no safe place for Palestinians who are not supporters.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's astounding to me to think there are people here who are appalled at a safe zone being hit because hamas was there.

I should be clear right now there is no safe place for Hamas and until Hanas is beaten there will be no safe place for Palestinians who are not supporters.

What's astounding is that Israel has been telling Gazans to leave their homes and move to "safe zones" allegedly for the purpose of protecting them from having bombs dropped on them. And then dropping bombs on them.

What's appalling is that people can probably still maintain ridiculous opinions like "no country has ever taken such care to avoid civilian casualties as Israel". "Israel has gone to amazing lengths to avoid civilian casualties."

 

[rjs330]

What's astounding is that Israel has been telling Gazans to leave their homes and move to "safe zones" allegedly for the purpose of protecting them from having bombs dropped on them. And then dropping bombs on them.

What's appalling is that people can probably still maintain ridiculous opinions like "no country has ever taken such care to avoid civilian casualties as Israel". "Israel has gone to amazing lengths to avoid civilian casualties."

The fact that Israel is actually trying to set up these places is evidence they are going to great lengths to set up safe zones. They are trying to avoid casualties. They don't have to do that.

It's astounding to think that Hamas won't take advantage of it and move in. Because that is who they are. And as long as they do that then Israel will take them out when discovered. Especially if they are Hamas leaders. It is astounding to believe that they would be allowed to be there and continue to exist and plan and organize the war. There will be no where to hide.

Perhaps Israel should make it mire clear? This is a safe zone unless Hamas is here. If they are discovered then it's no longer safe. The safe zone is meant for civilians not for Hamas. If Hamas comes in it's not a safe zone any more.

Once again Hamas bears all the responsibility fir any deaths.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israeli strikes in south, central Gaza kill more than 60, including in ‘safe zone’​

Tuesday’s deadliest strike hit a main street lined with market stalls outside the southern city of Khan Yunis in Muwasi, at the heart of the zone that is packed with tent camps.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israeli right-wing minister visits Temple Mount to condemn, potentially derail, cease-fire negotiations ​

Itamar Ben Gvir’s visit to the al-Aqsa Mosque compound came one day after an Israeli delegation landed in Cairo to resume negotiations with Hamas through mediators.

Israel’s far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir visited one of Jerusalem’s most contested holy sites on Thursday morning, the al-Aqsa Mosque compound, in a bid to inflame tensions and derail renewed talks for a cease-fire agreement with Hamas that he condemned as a “surrender” and a “reckless deal.”

Advocates for the roughly 120 Israeli hostages believed still held in Gaza said Ben Gvir was endangering their lives.

Visits by non-Muslims to the al-Aqsa plaza are heavily restricted and non-Muslim prayers are prohibited. Ben Gvir’s visit was immediately condemned by neighboring Jordan, which has managed the compound since Israel took control of Jerusalem’s Old City in the 1967 war.

Ben Gvir has made frequent visits to the compound, relying on his parliamentary immunity to avoid arrest, and has called for it to be returned to Israeli control.

 

[Valletta]

The former president added, "We want our hostages back. And they better be back before I assume office, or you will be paying a very big price."

Donald Trump: Bring back hostages before I take office or pay a big price | The Jerusalem Post

At the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump claimed the October 7 attack on Israel wouldn't have happened under his presidency and demanded the return of hostages before he takes office.

www.jpost.com

Trump will assist Israel in order to bring the war to an end.