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Israel-Hamas Thread II

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Since I don't have a wapo account I will not waste my time reading your posting. Try something that we all have access to......
 
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The entire population of the war-torn Gaza Strip — some 2.3 million people — is now living through "severe levels of acute food insecurity," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Tuesday.

"According to the most respected measure of these things, 100% of the population in Gaza is at severe levels of acute food insecurity. That's the first time an entire population has been so classified... We also see — again, according to, in this case the United Nations, 100% — the totality of the population — is in need of humanitarian assistance. Compare that to Sudan; about 80% of the population there is in need of humanitarian assistance; Afghanistan, about 70%."


 
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This is truly horrific.
 
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More doubts about some of the alleged atrocities by Hamas on October 7

Kibbutz Be’eri Rejects Story in New York Times October 7 Exposé: “They Were Not Sexually Abused”
Note this is evidence from the kibbutz that was attacked

This article describes how Israeli media "warfare" is conducted:
Hasbara: Oct. 7 and Israel's propaganda war


 
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WaPo Gift Link: Drone footage raises questions about Israeli justification for deadly strike on Gaza journalists

On Jan. 7, the Israeli military conducted a targeted missile strike on a car carrying four Palestinian journalists outside Khan Younis, in southern Gaza.

Two members of an Al Jazeera crew — Hamza Dahdouh, 27, and drone operator Mustafa Thuraya, 30 — were killed, along with their driver. Two freelance journalists were seriously wounded.

They were returning from the scene of an earlier Israeli strike on a building, where they had used a drone to capture the aftermath. The drone — a consumer model available at Best Buy — would be central to the Israeli justification for the strike.

The Israel Defense Forces said in a statement the next day it had “identified and struck a terrorist who operated an aircraft that posed a threat to IDF troops.” Two days later, the military announced that it had uncovered evidence that both men belonged to militant groups — Thuraya to Hamas and Dahdouh to Palestinian Islamic Jihad, its smaller rival in Gaza — and that the attack had been in response to an “immediate” threat.

The Post found no indications that either man was operating as anything other than a journalist that day. Both passed through Israeli checkpoints on their way to the south early in the war; Dahdouh had recently been approved to leave Gaza, a rare privilege unlikely to have been granted to a known militant.

The Washington Post obtained and reviewed the footage from Thuraya’s drone, which was stored in a memory card recovered at the scene and sent to a Palestinian production company in Turkey. No Israeli soldiers, aircraft or other military equipment are visible in the footage taken that day — which The Post is publishing in its entirety — raising critical questions about why the journalists were targeted.

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The night of the attack, a battle over the narrative began. The IDF said in a statement that its aircraft had “identified and struck a terrorist who operated an aircraft that posed a threat to IDF troops.”

The next day, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari appeared to backtrack: “Every journalist that dies, it’s unfortunate,” he told NBC, saying the drone had made them look like “terrorists.

In a new statement on Jan. 10, the IDF said the drone had posed an “immediate threat” to nearby soldiers, though the strike occurred approximately 15 minutes after Thuraya had stopped recording.

In response to multiple inquiries and detailed questions from The Post, the IDF said: “We have nothing further to add.”
 
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Thank you.

From above article: Israel’s claims about the military significance of the operation at al-Shifa were swiftly contested by Palestinian officials, who identified the target of the raid as a police official. Civilians in the hospital said they were trapped by the fighting.

The first 2:12 is the relevant part:
This is a good one too from IDF:
 
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The original article I linked referred to Kibbutz Be'eri. The UN report linked within your linked article confirmed what was said in my original link. From the UN report:

63. The mission team conducted a site visit to Be’eri and witnessed first-hand the magnitude of destruction within the kibbutz with rows of houses burnt, riddled with bullets and many reduced to rubble.
NB: It was Israel and not Hamas who had the means to reduce buildings to rubble on October 7.
Consider the horrific allegation of the ripping open of the womb of a pregnant woman. Can you think of a reason why a false allegation of that horrific, headline grabbing nature might be made? To justify genocide maybe?

Quoting from my second article linked in #3345
 
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In the recent raid against the Al-Sharif hospital, the Israeli military is stating:

It says troops have killed hundreds of fighters in the operation and also detained over 500 suspects, including 358 members of the Islamist militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the largest number captured at the same time since the beginning of the war nearly six months ago.

The article goes on to note Israeli special forces used deception tactics to fool Hamass and captured 3 senior Islamic Jihad military leaders.

 
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James Elder of UNICEF:“The depth of the horror surpasses our ability to describe it,” said James Elder, a spokesperson with the United Nations Children’s Fund (Unicef).

Israel-Gaza war: US condemns ‘cynical’ Russia and China veto of ceasefire deal; Israel to go into Rafah ‘with or without US support’ – as it happened
 
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Such as gunning down surrendering hostages?

Unfortunately, it is now Israel that is doing the murdering.

Hamas did provoke retaliation, but genocide of all Gazans and a bunch of West Bankers is not a good or acceptable answer.


"Even as international pressure mounts, Netanyahu has insisted Israel’s path to “total victory” must go through Rafah, which is considered the hub of Hamas’ terrorist activity. To relieve some of the pressure, the Israeli leader agreed to send a delegation to Washington in order to present the plans and get American feedback."

Hamas will continue to murder as many citizens as they can in order to claim Israel is the villain. Rafah must be taken, other countries of the world should help in all ways.
 
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The truth is that unless Hamas is eliminated more and more terrorists will be created. This is what history shows.
 
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The truth is that unless Hamas is eliminated more and more terrorists will be created. This is what history shows.
Unfortunately, Israel's actions in Gaza since October 7th can't be undone, and even if Hamas were to be eliminated, which really isn't much of a possibility at this point, another terrorist group would quickly replace them. The hard truth is that the destruction of Gaza and the deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians will be a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathizers for many years to come.
 
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The truth is there are many terrorists sponsored by Iran, and due to the Biden administration they have billions of dollars in funding. They don't need any rallying cry to kill more Jews and Christians, they need money to supply weapons and propagandists to try and demonize Jews and Christians. No group replaces another, that's like claiming that if you put a violent criminal in jail another will take his place. Jihadist will continue to spill innocent blood, and a cease fire will give them time to re-group and strike again.
 
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Battles rage around Gaza's Al Shifa hospital, Israel says 170 gunmen dead​

The armed wing of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad said their fighters were engaged in battles with the Israeli forces outside and around the vicinity of Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City. Hamas denies any presence inside the facility.

If they really were never in the hospital, isn't it foolish for them to hang around the hospital? Doesn't that set them up for being blamed for occupying the hospital?
 
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Israel is the villain when they starve tens of thousands of civilians, including infants and children. That is a war crime.
 
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Israel is the villain when they starve tens of thousands of civilians, including infants and children. That is a war crime.

Hamas’ Gaza death toll stats are pure fiction — yet world media and leaders like Joe Biden still use them to smear Israel​

 
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