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Israel-Hamas Thread II

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Palestinians have violated the Geneva Conventions, and after Israel rescues the hostages and is victorious against Hamas there should be international trials to prosecute those who supported the jihad.
How do you imagine that happening? Israel does not recognize the ICJ as having jurisdiction in it nor Gaza, are they going to make up their own international court? What other nations do you imagine would get involved in that?
 
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How do you imagine that happening? Israel does not recognize the ICJ as having jurisdiction in it nor Gaza, are they going to make up their own international court? What other nations do you imagine would get involved in that?
Although Israel is not a member, individuals can address the ICC.
 
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Although Israel is not a member, individuals can address the ICC.
Now the next question, should that case be tried and Hamas be convicted of war crimes how will Israel react to the verdict from a court it does not recognize?
 
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Video is said to show U.N. relief worker taking Israeli shot on Oct. 7

Israel told the United Nations Relief and Works Agency last month that Faisal Ali Musalam Naami, 45, and 11 other UNRWA employees participated in or lent support to the Hamas-led assault on southern Israel that precipitated Israel’s war in the besieged Palestinian territory.

The footage of the person Israel identified as Naami would be the first to surface publicly of any of the accused individuals participating in the attack.

The CCTV footage, located independently by The Washington Post, provides a fuller picture than the brief account in the public dossier, which says Naami “was involved in kidnapping a soldier from Beeri.”

[WaPo's own investigation shows the man and his car are very consistent with it being Naami]

In the footage from Oct. 7, the SUV drives toward an open gate to Kibbutz Beeri shortly after 9:30 a.m. and stops just inside the entrance, where three men who had been shot and dragged from a car are lying motionless on the ground.

They approach one of the people who had been shot, a man on the street next to an overturned cooler. It is not clear if he is alive, but he does not react as the man identified as Naami takes him by the jacket, the other man lifts his legs and they carry him to the trunk and place him inside.

It is not clear why or where the two men took the Israeli or why they left the other bodies.

On Oct. 16, Naami, five of his children and one of his two wives were killed in a strike on their home in Nuseirat, according to a UNRWA colleague

The Israel Defense Forces told The Post it “is unaware of a strike at the specified area or time.” A spokesperson, speaking on the condition of anonymity per the agency’s protocol, did not respond when asked if Naami had been targeted.
 
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You: "they are simply contributing to the demise of themselves and their children"
They are not "shooting themselves" they are being shot and bombed etc. by the IDF
It appears you do not understand what an idiom is. A good definition: Shooting yourself in the foot is an idiom that signifies self-sabotage or committing a foolish mistake that can have detrimental consequences. For example, “If we don’t sign up for this special deal, we’re essentially shooting ourselves in the foot.”
The vast majority of the Gazans who have been killed by the IDF did not take part in the Oct 7 attack, or any other similar attack.
No one has to take part in anything to agree with and/or support it. There were a lot of people in gaza celebrating Oct 7 that most likely are not hamas; they just enjoy the killing of Jews. After a few days they weren't celebrating anymore. They were reaping the whirlwind.....and still are to the present time. I have no sympathy for them (except the children; the true innocents).
 
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The world reduced Nazism to the point that its' philosophy is no more significant than that of a gnat buzzing about your head. The world, and it will take the world, can do the same to extremist Islam fundamentalism.
The Nazis were state actors operating at the direction of the state. When Germany was defeated, so was Nazism. What we see in the world today is neo-Nazism which isn't really Nazism, it's an ideology trying to imitate it.

What works when fighting a state with a standing army doesn't work when fighting terrorist groups.
 
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When Germany was defeated, so was Nazism.
Eh...not quite. It took re-education of the German people from pre-school to old age to minimize the effects of Nazism. Even today there are still those who believe 'Hitler was right.' and etc propaganda. Most neo-nazi groups today seem to focus more on criminality than the nazi stated goal of Aryanism.
 
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Germany had a loose alliance with the Palestinians, the Palestinians tried to get close but Germans considered themselves the master race. Both hated Jews and thus worked together. The Japanese were closer to jihadists in nature, very cruel, many thought nothing of the people under their control and were happy to kill prisoners rather than let them be rescued. It's somewhat different with terrorist leadership, the Japanese leaders were willing to sacrifice themselves while jihadists leaders are much more cowardly. It is the same in that the only way for victory against fanatics set on genocide is to pretty much eliminate them.
 
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It could be. They can speculate, it is an informed guess. There were still Nazis after World War II who went to South America, but their activities were greatly curtailed. Today there are still Nazis.
 
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It could be. They can speculate, it is an informed guess. There were still Nazis after World War II who went to South America, but their activities were greatly curtailed. Today there are still Nazis.
At least the Gazans know what they are in for if they allow it to b come an issue.
 
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Agreeing with something is not generally punishable by death in any legal system I know. It's also a huge assumption by you based on nothing except maybe politically motivated polls or so called news coverage aimed at dehumanising Palestinians (referred to as cockroaches etc. by some Israelis).

Thanks for the condescending mansplaining but I do know what "shooting yourself in the foot" means. In this case, the detrimental consequences is death and destruction for Palestinians in Gaza and Gaza on a much more intense scale than in Ukraine, and that includes being shot.

The language being used to describe Palestinians is genocidal | Chris McGreal

 
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It appears most of the Palestinians support a jihad. I am sorry for the young children and others who do not.
 
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Agreeing with something is not generally punishable by death in any legal system I know.
Navalny might have a different opinion.....
It's also a huge assumption by you based on nothing except maybe politically motivated polls or so called news coverage aimed at dehumanising Palestinians (referred to as cockroaches etc. by Israelis).
Well, let's not get into Islamic teaching in their schools that teach killing Jews is a good thing. 'Cockroaches' seems pretty tame by comparison.
Thanks for the condescending mansplaining .....
Anytime.
In this case, the detrimental consequences is death and destruction for Palestinians in Gaza and Gaza on a much more intense scale than in Ukraine, and that includes being shot.
Which is totally in the gazans power to prevent by turning on hamas....but still nada from them (gazans). Maybe they prefer death for themselves, wives, and children by Israeli bombs.....after all that makes them 'martyrs', right? Wonder if they (wives and children) were asked their POV on that subject?
 
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Navalny might have a different opinion.....
Comparing the Israeli leadership with the Russian leadership. Are you beginning to see the light about the true intentions of the Israeli government?
'Cockroaches' seems pretty tame by comparison.
So do you think it's ok to compare the people of Gaza to cockroaches?
As has been well explained before on this thread Hamas isn't going to be destroyed: it's an organisation which can be joined by new people at any time and Israel is giving them plenty of reason to do so. One might kill a few leaders, capture some weapons caches but that was happening for decades with the IRA - which only disbanded after a political settlement.

The real intention is to turn Gaza into an uninhabitable wasteland and ethnically cleanse (or kill) the people out of Gaza - a second Nakba. This is why hospitals, universities, schools, libraries etc have been destroyed.
 
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As I have previously explained, Hamas may still exist, much like the Nazi Party still exists today. Sadly, there are always those who align themselves with evil. It is clear that with all of the tunnels to hospitals and schools a good portion of the Palestinians had to be aware that money for the families and children of Gaza was being diverted to kill Jews. I think they should be put on trial as accessories. Egypt and other countries realize this and are taking in few Palestinians.
 
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Comparing the Israeli leadership with the Russian leadership. Are you beginning to see the light about the true intentions of the Israeli government?
You didn't make a comparison. You said: "Agreeing with something is not generally punishable by death in any legal system I know."
So do you think it's ok to compare the people of Gaza to cockroaches?
Do you think it is a good thing to teach elementary kids that it is OK to kill Jews?
This is why hospitals, universities, schools, libraries etc have been destroyed.
No, they have been attacked because the gazans allow hamas to use them for military purposes. You need to read more news.
 
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Yeah just keep on repeating the IDF propaganda. The "tunnel" entrance found near the al Shifa hospital may well correspond to a bunker facility built by Israel at the hospital in 1983 as reported by The Tablet.

There are tunnels between Gaza and Egypt built to enable the transport of goods which are forbidden by Israel since the blockade that started in 2007. This plays into the hands of Hamas as this short video explains

from https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20091227

So it would seem it is the Israeli government that should be put on trial as accessories as their blockade has provided funding to Hamas - and as we know Netanyahu saw Hamas as a useful tool to divide and rule the Palestinians

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 
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