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I have no idea what you are talking about.Bordering on the bizarre does nothing to help your argument.
I thought Hamas had an iron grip on Gaza? At least that's what many are saying. Their lack of support from their people regarding their governance has been low for a while. The Palestinians hadn't done anything about it. Any many on this board including you I believe have been telling us that no one in Palestine could do anything about it. So how could they be Targets from both sides?Look, if HAMAS knew that its days (of support) within Gaza were numbered and they’d suddenly be “the targets”, from BOTH sides. Better they “go out in a blaze of glory!” ?
Yes, it’s crazy, and yet here we are.
The disquiet is because of the butchery of innocent human beings by jihadist sadists who had been planning an attack for a long time.Part of the current disquiet has some measure in the recognition of Jerusalem rather than Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.
I share the disquiet, though don't feel the need to use the term 'jihadist sadists'. I absolutely understand that Israel has to respond, and indeed respond with some force, and that they do need to do so in an opposite and timely way. Hamas is due the condemnation of the world for having planned, conducted, arranged or enabled these attacks.The disquiet is because of the butchery of innocent human beings by jihadist sadists who had been planning an attack for a long time.
I agree with you here. I am wondering though what circumstances would be required in order for you to consider that a war is just?do understand there are just causes for war, however, I am cautious here, for sometimes the argument for a Just War is simply an argument to just war.
I have not suggested that there is not an argument for a Just War here, save that I suspect War has to be waged between Sovereign Entities, and for Israel to declare war on Palestine would require them to recognise the sovereign status of Palestine.I agree with you here. I am wondering though what circumstances would be required in order for you to consider that a war is just?
If a people have been bombing you, killing you, shooting missiles at you for decades and then launches a brutal attack against your people including murdering your women as they are being raped, murdering babies, butchering children and burning people alive doesn't constitute the justification for a just war, what does?
That's not the point. It's the execution of the war which is causing concern. From here: West Bank videos show Israeli troops killing teenager and driving over man’s bodyI agree with you here. I am wondering though what circumstances would be required in order for you to consider that a war is just?
I watched the videos multiple times and did not see "Israeli troops shooting a 17-year-old boy and security forces repeatedly running over the body of a man". Did you post the correct link?That's not the point. It's the execution of the war which is causing concern. From here: West Bank videos show Israeli troops killing teenager and driving over man’s body
And be warned, the video in that link shows some distressing images.
'Two videos from the West Bank showing Israeli troops shooting a 17-year-old boy and security forces repeatedly running over the body of a man they had shot have added to concerns about the Israeli military’s rules of engagement.'
I watched the video too and at one point I saw soldiers around the bodies after the fact. I didn't see the shooter. Ozwald was behind rubble when the others were standing around. What was he doing? Kinda stupid for those two boys to immediately go to their buddy right after shots were fired. There was testimony from one of the kids. Was those security cameras? I don't know how prominent they are in Gaza.I watched the videos multiple times and did not see "Israeli troops shooting a 17-year-old boy and security forces repeatedly running over the body of a man". Did you post the correct link?
In the left-wing Guardian link provided, the "witness" identifies the sniper as an Israeli soldier. How could he know the identity of a sniper who be definition shoots from concealment at long range? But this report serves the narrative that the Guardian and others push so let's run with it.
The AP report more accurately begins, "Video appears to show ...". Whereas the Guardian reports, "... videos show Israeli troops killing ....". Bias?I watched the video too and at one point I saw soldiers around the bodies after the fact. I didn't see the shooter. There was testimony from one of the kids.
Still showed what appeared to be three kid's shots whether staged I don't know. I wish we could see the whole video of the situation.The AP report more accurately begins, "Video appears to show ...". Whereas the Guardian reports, "... videos show Israeli troops killing ....". Bias?
"Apart from Israeli troops carrying guns, no weapons are visible throughout the video. The shooter is not visible either."
it is war. If Hamas would cease fire the killing will stop.There are no “good guys” at this present time.
Trying to champion one side over the other as such is going to lead one into waters fraught with danger.
Hamas should cease fireSouth Africa is giving a very compelling presentation, with video evidence, on what any reasonable person would consider to be a genocide at the International Court of Justice right now. I suggest everyone watch these hearings.
Today: 10 a.m.-1 p.m.: Oral argument (South Africa)
Saturday: 10 a.m.-1 p.m.: Oral argument (Israel)
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I share the disquiet, though don't feel the need to use the term 'jihadist sadists'. I absolutely understand that Israel has to respond, and indeed respond with some force, and that they do need to do so in an opposite and timely way. Hamas is due the condemnation of the world for having planned, conducted, arranged or enabled these attacks.
The elimination of Hamas will achieve little in the grand scheme of things, and in terms of recent history, the elimination of Alqueda led to the rise of the Islamic State which was not necessarily an improvement.
I agree here. There has been talk of no state for them. Hamas won't cease fire, and continue to have Palestinians in war zones. They just won't accept peace.Oh boo hoo on the Jerusalem issue. If countries don't recognize Palestine as a state it's Palestines own fault b cause they refuse to accept ANY offer of statehood that has been offered to them. These other countries have recognized Palestine as a state even when Palestine hasn't recognized itself as a state. It's just posturing by these other countries. If Palestine would get their stuff together, be willing to accept it's own statehood and do what's necessary to create it's own state it would be better off. Instead they piddle around and choose terrorist organizations to lead them. They are their own worst enemies at this point. By now they could have accept d several offers and been well in their way to an economically resilient and prosperous country. Instead they chose to launch missiles into Israel and be led by terrorists.
"The United States doesn’t believe Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza, US officials said on Wednesday as they slammed South Africa’s appeal to the International Court of Justice for a ruling on the matter."South Africa is giving a very compelling presentation, with video evidence, on what any reasonable person would consider to be a genocide at the International Court of Justice right now. I suggest everyone watch these hearings.
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