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Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
Actually they unequivocally are. Never the twain shall meet.
Greetings.
Note that Romans 11:28 refers to elect unbelievers, enemies of the
gospel, just as 2 Timothy 2:10 refers to elect unbelievers, who have
yet to obtain salvation.
Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
Study Romans 8:
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed
to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many
brethren.
Note that Romans 8:29 doesn't say that those predestinated to
salvation can't be unbelievers before they get saved.
Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
And Colossians 3:
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God...And have put on the
new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that
created him...Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and
beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness,
longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if
any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so
also do ye.
Note that Colossians 3 doesn't say that the elect can't be
unbelievers before they get saved.
Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
And 1Pet 1:
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through
sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the
blood of Jesus Christ
Note that 1 Peter 1:2 doesn't say that the elect can't be unbelievers
before they get saved. The original Greek of 1 Peter 1:1-2 can be
translated as "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect
sojourners scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia
and Bithynia. According to the foreknowledge of God the Father in
sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood
of Jesus Christ, grace unto you and peace be multiplied".
Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
Nothing in Romans 11 specifies the Jews, but rather all Israel (ALL
12 TRIBES, hence Jacob, not just Judah).
The Jews include some members from all 12 tribes of Israel, because
some members of all 12 tribes of Israel came to live in the kingdom
of Judah after the kingdom of Israel fell into apostasy (2 Chronicles
11:16-17), and their descendants remained part of the kingdom of
Judah down through the ages. That's why some people from all 12
tribes of Israel still existed in the first century (Acts 26:7, James
1:1). Anna, for example, is from the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36), just
as Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) and Barnabas is
from the tribe of Levi (Acts 4:36). Even though Paul isn't from the
tribe of Judah, he is still a Jew (Acts 22:3), meaning that he is
descended from people who became part of the kingdom of Judah.
Zadok7000 posted in message #20 of this thread:
Nothing is said about the 2nd coming.
In Romans 11:26, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer" refers
to the second coming, when all of the unbelieving elect Jews will be
saved (Romans 11:26-28), when they all see the returned Jesus in
person (Zechariah 12:10-14).
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