Islam doesn't condone terror

[Montalban]

He did instruct some of his followers to purchase swords. The question is why would the followers bring swords? How would this be against Jesus' teachings to love your enemies, to be meek and to give your right cheek?

Read this.

Though I don't agree with their conclusions I find that they raise some interesting points that you need to note, such as why would Jesus only order two swords to be bought?

I think it's also interesting to note that the Roman authorities would not have taken kindly to Jews taking the law into their own hands.

 

[Robban]

It's just another indication, nothing more, nothing less...

Calling the jews "disgusting" in a childrens program is all that has to be registered...

Are you shocked?

 

[plenary]

Are you shocked?

No... Should I be?

How can one be shocked, when it get's repeated over and over? Jews and Christians are like dirt.... Who will get tortured by Allah himself in hell....
Allah also isn't present in heaven, because he is too busy torturing...

And I wouldn't bet the atheist's and agnostics to be better off....


The worst sin in Islam is telling the truth.... The main premise of Islam is this: "If everyone should only lie to one another and only strive for deception, there will be peace..."

And this is because the origin of Truth is not important to Islam... Because the laws of Islam, do not center around the origin of Truth....

 

[Robban]

No... Should I be?

How can one be shocked, when it get's repeated over and over? Jews and Christians are like dirt.... Who will get tortured by Allah himself in hell....
Allah also isn't present in heaven, because he is too busy torturing...

And I wouldn't bet the atheist's and agnostics to be better off....


The worst sin in Islam is telling the truth.... The main premise of Islam is this: "If everyone should only lie to one another and only strive for deception, there will be peace..."

And this is because the origin of Truth is not important to Islam... Because the laws of Islam, do not center around the origin of Truth....

Well I think I,ll go for a walk, see if there is any sign of buds on the trees yet, maybe optimistic but you never know.
The muslims I meet on the way, I do not see, I only see the individuals themselves. Anyway have a pleasent a day as you can.

 

[plenary]

Well I think I,ll go for a walk, see if there is any sign of buds on the trees yet, maybe optimistic but you never know.
The muslims I meet on the way, I do not see, I only see the individuals themselves. Anyway have a pleasent a day as you can.

Muslims are as much prisoners of Islam like the rest of the world, if not more...

All human life is precious... All of it...

If only the only motive of mankind would be LOVE... But alas, that is impossible. (At least it has been... and will be, unless God changes the world.) And we, as living human beings, have a big part to play in that...

TRUTH only proceeds forth from LOVE...

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

LOVE == LIFE AND TRUTH == LIGHT...

John 8:
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

 

[plenary]

Some of the quotes of the past times and years, for what is in store for Egypt and the region in general...

“There is no dialogue between us [Muslims and Jews] except by the sword and rifle. . . . [We pray Allah] to take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. . . . do not spare a single one of them. . . . count their numbers and kill them down to the very last one.”
———Muslim Brotherhood’s Current Spiritual Head, Yusuf al-Qaradawi
(2009)11

The opening of the Suez Canal to two Iranian warships does not bode well. Neither does radical Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi's ability to draw over a million Egyptians to hear him preach in Tahrir Square. Nor does last week's attack by the army on a Coptic monastery, or the brutal sexual assault on CBS News correspondent Lara Logan during the massive celebration of Mr. Mubarak's ouster. As a crowd of 200 men attacked her, it was widely reported that they screamed "Jew, Jew, Jew." (Ms. Logan is not Jewish.)

“[We will] continue to raise the banner of jihad against the Jews, [our] first and foremost enemies. . . . . resistance is the only solution against the Zio-American arrogance and tyranny, and all we need is for the Arab and Muslim peoples to stand behind it and support it. . . . We say to our brothers the mujahideen in Gaza: be patient, persist in [your jihad], and know that Allah is with you.”
———Current Brotherhood Supreme Leader, Mohamed Badi (2010)13

 

[PHenry42]

If only razeontherock would get to it, I wouldn't have to sift through all the trash just to see if he has posted...

 

[plenary]

It is the 1930s all over again. The coalition of leftist and Muslim Jew hatred is on the rise once more across Europe; with the excuse being Israel and the ‘Palestinians’.

So, the Left is thriving and quite happy with the anti-Semitic idea's of the Muslims... It explains, at least in part, why there is so little interest, politically, with the harassment of Jews in Europe...

Yes, the left is thriving indeed...

But, as is the case in all Muslim dominated countries, when the Jews are gone, the Christians are next (and all other groups...) But when they sell out the Jews, that is all what they deserve...

In the 70%-plus Muslim majority Rosengård (sweden) district, emergency services will not attend calls without police protection, as ambulance and fire crews are routinely attacked by Muslim mobs.

Ahhhhh Moderate Islam at work.... Is there anything more beautiful?

 

[Ayersy]

Which is simply to say it is, because it is, because it is.


What he did was wrong then and is always wrong.

What he did then is wrong now, and still being advocated now because Moslems don't see a 'use-by date' for his example of morality.

You're just basically saying "it is, because it is.", the only difference is I'm merely explaining that things change through time.

I'm saying WE CONSIDER it wrong now, because WE think differently nowadays. There is no right, or wrong. Just differences in thinking, throughout time. I don't understand what you're not getting about this.

I can't explain it any other way.

At any rate, it doesn't really matter. This thread isn't about the age of women/girls that Mohammad had relations with. It's about Islam and terrorism.

 

[Ayersy]

So if you were President of your country and 7 nuclear devices were detonated killing millions of your people how would you show yourself to be civilized?You do understand that any hesitation on your part to respond with appropriate force would be perceived as weakness and pretty much doom you society to greater attacks by Radical Jihadists who are bent on destroying western society?In actuality Osama Bin Laden is shooting for 7 small scale nukes in different U.S. cities,this the reality of today in the U.S.A.. Seriously,what are you gonna do stroll up to OBL and give him a hug?

If I responded by nuking a country, then I'd be an idiot.

It's not the countries committing acts of terrorism, it's small groups of extremists.

By "retaliating" with WMDs, you're killing potentially millions of innocent people who had nothing to do with it.

Personally, I'm not so keen on genocide. How about you?

 

[Montalban]

You're just basically saying "it is, because it is.", the only difference is I'm merely explaining that things change through time.

No, you're saying it

At any rate, it doesn't really matter. This thread isn't about the age of women/girls that Mohammad had relations with. It's about Islam and terrorism.

And Muhammed committed terror too

 

[Montalban]

It's not the countries committing acts of terrorism, it's small groups of extremists.

The countries Libya and Afghanistan harboured terrorists.

 

[Ayersy]

No, you're saying it


And Muhammed committed terror too

NO YOU.



Seriously. Enough with this. I've explained myself enough times for anybody to understand it, even if they don't agree with it.

I don't really care what Muhammad did. It's what people NOW are doing, that I care about.

 

[Ayersy]

The countries Libya and Afghanistan harboured terrorists.

So, all the non-terrorist civilians?

What about them?

Just kill them as well, for being unfortunately placed near people who did bad things?

Wait, who's the ones spreading terror, here?

 

[plenary]

I don't really care what Muhammad did. It's what people NOW are doing, that I care about.

Perhaps you should plan your vacation this year to, let's say, Rosengard??

In the 70%-plus Muslim majority Rosengård (sweden) district, emergency services will not attend calls without police protection, as ambulance and fire crews are routinely attacked by Muslim mobs.

I am wondering, what people will say, when Europe does become a second Middle east... And non-muslims are second-class citizens...

 

[psalms 91]

Why is it then that almost all terrorist axcts are done in the name of Islam. What does Islam say about non believers? Are they not vcalled dogs and relegated to slaves?

 

[Ayersy]

Why is it then that almost all terrorist axcts are done in the name of Islam. What does Islam say about non believers? Are they not vcalled dogs and relegated to slaves?

Oh, I'm pretty sure we'd be in deep doo-doo if the terrorists got their way. Haha.

Apostacy is still punishable by death over in alot of Middle Eastern countries.

Alot of atheists over there have to remain "in the closet", so to speak.

 

[psalms 91]

Not to mention Christians

 

[Montalban]

NO YOU.

No. You are. You're saying what is wrong now is wrong now because it's wrong now. I've asked you why and you repeat it's just wrong now. Society changes etc. So it's you saying it is because it is because it is

Seriously. Enough with this. I've explained myself enough times for anybody to understand it, even if they don't agree with it.

You repeating a 'just-so' statement isn't an explanation

I don't really care what Muhammad did. It's what people NOW are doing, that I care about.

Well they're interconnected

 

[Montalban]

Why is it then that almost all terrorist axcts are done in the name of Islam. What does Islam say about non believers? Are they not vcalled dogs and relegated to slaves?

Some blame 'western imperialism', but this imperialism was across the world. There aren't (as far as I'm aware) cases of Hindus strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up British government buildings during the Raj