Islam doesn't condone terror

[Montalban]

So anyone who had blood on their face meets the prophecy?

 

[FRM48]

Alright guys,so we're discussing Mohammed now?Maybe B&WPac7 can help on this.How large was the population of Jews living in Medina around the time of Mohammed?The reason I'm asking is because I was reading a book that stated Mohammed led the Jews outside the city and beheaded them for not accepting him as a prophet of God,Is there any truth to the account?JJ have you ever heard that about Mohammed?

 

[JJWhite]

JJ have you ever heard that about Mohammed?

No.

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Muhammad and Jews of Medina | PBS

 

[b&wpac7]

How large was the population of Jews living in Medina around the time of Mohammed?

No idea, to be honest.

 

[Montalban]

No idea, to be honest.

It was smaller by 900 after Muhammed over-saw one tribe being wiped out

 

[plenary]

I assume you mean James 5:12. Jacob is from the Book of Mormon and doesn't say that.

Yes, you're right, my bad...

I disagree with Muhammad as well, I don't think he was a prophet, but I won't incite people by saying he was a liar. I just think it's bad form.

Than Muhammad shouldn't have made the claims he has made regarding the gospel... Galatians 1:8.

I don't think peaceful coexisting with a doctrine like Islam is possible... Sure, when they are the minority, it is, but when they approach 40%, then they start murdering and terrorizing other-minded people...

And to be frank, I have absolutely no respect for that kind of behavior... I find it extremely despicable... (And that is true of all national-socialistic type of doctrines, of which islam is one of the worst... (because of the promise of heaven, for the acts of hatred)) And actions speak louder than words, people....
Because in this life, contrary to the life in the hereafter, one can say one thing and mean another... Which defines Islam.. (as can be seen by the words of its founder itself.)
This kind of behaviour can only lead to civil war, just like in Israel... And has absolutely nothing to do with the Jews...

It's just a matter of time, before the "religion of peace" starts suicide actions in Europe on a greater scale.. Just a matter of time and statistics...
Just like the murder of the politicians in Lebanon... That will start happening also, in Europe and around the world, where the Muslims approach 40%...
Peace is impossible with Islam, because the foundation of Islam is of the devil... And if one understands the workings of the devil, one can easily see, why naming Islam the religion of peace, is like saying that the moon is made out of cheese.


Because the love of only your own group, means the love of self... And that is the love of the devil... Because the love of self, means to hate the other.... It is a total lie. Because the love of your own group, has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with love and hence nothing to do with peace...
Muslims destroy their own freedom... (and that of others in the process)
Cause eventually, the extreme Muslims will murder the moderate Muslims, as has happened in Iran and Lebanon, among others... Until no one dares to speak out against evil...
Islam does not discriminate, all peace-loving humans are at risk, because Islam is defined by Jihad, which means oppression...

Submit or Die...

If one want to see Islam in action, one should travel to Iran, or Syria, or Lebanon, or Sudan or Somalia... And enjoy the freedom fruits of the religion of oppression....

 

[plenary]

God bless His prophets and messengers.

What about the prophets who are alive today?

And besides, every human life is precious, not just that of the prophets...

 

[Montalban]

All you care about is prophets and loss ?

 

[Islam_mulia]

Historic (non-Christian) writings along with the Bible and all of the modern prophetic texts validate the death of Jesus on the Cross...

What were those records again? You mentioned they were historic. Can you substantiate that?

He shouldn't have touched the gospel. It is his own fault, when people call him a liar...

Jesus said the Jewish priest were sons of the devils, but you still agree with the Jewish priests when they accused Jesus of blasphemy.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Than Muhammad shouldn't have made the claims he has made regarding the gospel... Galatians 1:8.

How silly. Galatians 1:8 was talking about a preaching angel. If you ever study the history of Islam, that would not apply to Muhammad (pbuh) or Gabriel.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Is there a reason for a meteor enshined in the black cube?I mean Mecca is the holiest city to muslims,A place of great worship,so what's the purpose of the meteor?Pointless?I don't think what Montalban brought up is pointless.Back to the contents of the black cube,I've even heard that muslims refer to it as "The Moonstone".Can you explain please?

The old prophets used to place a stone at a centre of congregation and worship and to renew their oath to God. If the bible says Jacob did that, and Muslims believe Abraham did that, why are you so surprised?

 

[b&wpac7]

Than Muhammad shouldn't have made the claims he has made regarding the gospel... Galatians 1:8.

Why? Don't they consider it corrupted? They also don't believe Paul was anything special, why would Galatians matter to them?

You are, understandable, approaching this from a Christian point of view. Calling him a liar because you disagree is just silly. If you want to argue theocracy, argue theocracy. I don't call any Christian a liar for their beliefs.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Christ has already given the explanation: A tree can be judged by its fruits...

A bad tree doesn't provide good fruits and a good tree doesn't provide bad fruits....

And if the fig tree does not bear fruit (when it was not the season for it to bear fruit), cursed the damned tree. Sounds familiar?

What the hell happened to the things Christ taught?

Good question. The bible says that if you have faith, you can move mountains. Can you?

 

[Islam_mulia]

We worship Jesus, who is the one and only God.

That was trinitarianly INCORRECT.

 

[Islam_mulia]

The hatred displayed by 'Christians' here goes against Jesus' exhortation that we should love everyone unconditionally.

I dont think that was his real message. How then would Jesus love the Jewish priests by calling them children of the devil, serpents, vipers?

 

[plenary]

Why? Don't they consider it corrupted? They also don't believe Paul was anything special, why would Galatians matter to them?

You are, understandable, approaching this from a Christian point of view. Calling him a liar because you disagree is just silly. If you want to argue theocracy, argue theocracy. I don't call any Christian a liar for their beliefs.

I'm not calling Muhammad a liar for the believes that he had, I'm calling him a liar for teaching the stuff that he taught (willingly)... because he knew perfectly well what he was after... (power, worldly gain, women.)

 

[plenary]

I dont think that was his real message. How then would Jesus love the Jewish priests by calling them children of the devil, serpents, vipers?

Because they were...

And loving each other, also means telling each other the truth... Because love delights in the truth.....

The devil delights in falsities... And so do his followers.... (in this case the Jewish priests, who were at that time only after money and other worldly things...)

 

[b&wpac7]

because he knew perfectly well what he was after...

I asked before. How do you know this? How do you know what he was after? Did you talk to him? Do you have a special ability that lets you read the mind of those who have died?

 

[plenary]

I asked before. How do you know this? How do you know what he was after? Did you talk to him? Do you have a special ability that lets you read the mind of those who have died?

The following texts alone is enough an indication to believe that Muhammad's word was not to be relied upon...

Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"

And also:

Bukhari:V6B60N662 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.'"

And I am not the first one to call him a liar.... And frankly, judging the doctrine and thereby the character of Muhammad, I think Umar had a point...

Ishaq:567 "Muhammad informed Umar [the second Caliph], and he called the Prophet a liar."

It's all about motive... And the motives of Muhammad are the reason why the world has so much problems with Islam today and in the future... And if one has motive enough to acquire the things that one want, than one is also accountable for his actions. And so was Muhammad.

 

[b&wpac7]

The following texts alone is enough an indication to believe that Muhammad's word was not to be relied upon...
And also:
And I am not the first one to call him a liar.... And frankly, judging the doctrine and thereby the character of Muhammad, I think Umar had a point...

You are giving verses in the dark. I don't know if it means what you are putting there or if there is context surrounding it that allowed it to make more sense. I am not saying one way or the other because I do not know.

I just think there are better ways to go about showing your disagreement than loaded terms and what seems to be the desire to incite anger. It breaks down communication. You say you don't think peace is possible. But what are you doing to help that process? If you are doing nothing, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.