Islam doesn't condone terror

[SlaveOfGod]

I posted this before, and I know it is getting repetitive, but I just want to keep reminding the readers here that Christians have nothing to hide; they don't need to be evasive, or ignore hard questions about their faith. So far, none of the Muslims here have agreed to renounce violence, or acknowledged that only God should judge sins like blasphemy or disbelieve.
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So as a Christian, I can unequivocally state that I reject any teachings of the Bible and of Jesus that promote murder and terrorism. I can confidently say this because there are no such verses and teachings!

Now I challenge the Muslims posting here to do the same: will you unconditionally agree to reject any verses of the Qur'an that promote murder and terrorism? You keep saying these verses are being misinterpreted- so now is your chance to set the record straight.

Take it one step further: will you here on Christian forums who are Muslims unconditionally agree to reject any and all verses of the Qur'an, or teachings of Muslim clerics, that promote murder, terrorism, punishment of non-Muslims for blasphemy, adultery (including polygamy), lying, hatred towards Jews just because they are Jews, hatred or bias towards anyone that has a different religious belief, etc. etc.

And BTW, I am still waiting for some alternative explanation for all those verses from the Qur'an I posted regarding Islam and its promotion of terrorism. And an explanation of why the vast majority of terrorist attacks since 9/11 have been perpetrated by those who profess to be Muslims.


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I think its been mentioned before no Muslim will reject anything from the Quran because they dont mean what you think they mean

 

[plenary]

I think its been mentioned before no Muslim will reject anything from the Quran

That is what is called blind faith....


Where is your proof, that Muhammad was indeed a prophet and the Quran is from God?? Because the Quran contradict almost everything of the Bible.... While the prophets validate the Bible.... (And the gift of prophecy is still given to man, which is according to Biblical doctrine..)

The doctrine of Christ is LOVE... Not holy war, LOVE...

 

[Servant of Jesus]

I think its been mentioned before no Muslim will reject anything from the Quran because they dont mean what you think they mean

O.K.- let's keep it simple, one step at a time.

Do you, SlaveofAllah, renounce murder and terrorism?

 

[Montalban]

OH! I think I've figured out what you're talking about... the black stone that's on the side of the Ka'bah.

We are told that it's from Heaven, and we believe Abraham placed it in the Ka'bah wall when he built it.

Is that what Satan looks like?

 

[Servant of Jesus]

I think its been mentioned before no Muslim will reject anything from the Quran because they dont mean what you think they mean

O.K.- let's for now accept the fact that some verses from the Qur'an "don't mean what you think they mean."

But that still doesn't answer my basic question: do you SlaveOfAllah renounce murder and terrorism?

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[Montalban]

O.K.- let's for now accept the fact that some verses from the Qur'an "don't mean what you think they mean."

But that still doesn't answer my basic question: do you SlaveOfAllah renounce murder and terrorism?

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I hope to see an answer too

 

[SlaveOfGod]

I'm on the other side of the world so you need to give me some time to respond

Yes renounce all murder and terrorism

 

[Montalban]

I'm on the other side of the world so you need to give me some time to respond

Yes renounce all murder and terrorism

How do you define 'murder'? If someone speaks out against Muhammed and Islam and is killed, is that 'murder'?

 

[SlaveOfGod]

Insulting the Prophet of Islam has its prescribed punishment from the Quran and Sunnah which is execution, be it Muslim or non-Muslim

 

[Montalban]

Insulting the Prophet of Islam has its prescribed punishment from the Quran and Sunnah which is execution, be it Muslim or non-Muslim

So your version of 'murder' doesn't meet with mine.

 

[SlaveOfGod]

So your version of 'murder' doesn't meet with mine.

To be honest you can call it whatever you want. I'm not going to beat around the bush here but

Killing someone cold blood for no reason whatsoever is unacceptable in Islam

Killing someone for insulting the Prophet is prescribed in Islam because it is blaspehmy be it non Muslim or Muslim

It has to be made clear here that the punishment as the scholars have said can only be carried out by a judge in Islam, not by the general folk.

 

[Montalban]

To be honest you can call it whatever you want. I'm not going to beat around the bush here but

Killing someone cold blood for no reason whatsoever is unacceptable in Islam

If I kill someone to get their money that is a reason.

Killing someone for insulting the Prophet is prescribed in Islam because it is blaspehmy be it non Muslim or Muslim

It has to be made clear here that the punishment as the scholars have said can only be carried out by a judge in Islam, not by the general folk.

Are you sure that the judge carries out the punishment? Or he carries out the sentence?

Who's the judge?

What if I get a fatwa from one judge is that enough?

 

[SlaveOfGod]

If I kill someone to get their money that is a reason.


Are you sure that the judge carries out the punishment? Or he carries out the sentence?

Who's the judge?

What if I get a fatwa from one judge is that enough?

No because that isn’t as grave a crime in Islam as insulting the Prophet. And that act which you mention (robbery) already has its prescribed punishment in Islam and its not death

It’s the Judge who passes the sentence. Whoever carries out the actual punishment is one who is aware of how to carry out the punishment

Judge is a qualified person in Islam who has the knowledge to pass judgements like this, referred to in Islam as a “Qadi”.

For example the Qadi of Saudi Arabia used to be Shaykh al-Luhaydan, I don’t know who it is now

Make of this what you will

 

[Ayersy]

No because that isn’t as grave a crime in Islam as insulting the Prophet. And that act which you mention (robbery) already has its prescribed punishment in Islam and its not death

It’s the Judge who passes the sentence. Whoever carries out the actual punishment is one who is aware of how to carry out the punishment

Judge is a qualified person in Islam who has the knowledge to pass judgements like this, referred to in Islam as a “Qadi”.

For example the Qadi of Saudi Arabia used to be Shaykh al-Luhaydan, I don’t know who it is now

Make of this what you will

Okay. I will.

It's stupid and wrong. It's punishing people with death for having different opinions. It's murder.

It reminds me of those people who get in an argument with somebody, then punch them in the face when they know they can't win the argument.

"YOU WRONG! ME SMASH!"

 

[SlaveOfGod]

Okay. I will.

It's stupid and wrong. It's punishing people with death for having different opinions. It's murder.

It reminds me of those people who get in an argument with somebody, then punch them in the face when they know they can't win the argument.

"YOU WRONG! ME SMASH!"

and you have a right to that opinion

thanks for sharing it

 

[Ayersy]

and you have a right to that opinion

thanks for sharing it

See, that's all we're asking for.

Now, why can't that be done all over the world? There's nothing stopping it, really.

 

[plenary]

Insulting the Prophet of Islam has its prescribed punishment from the Quran and Sunnah which is execution, be it Muslim or non-Muslim

It's such a peaceful religion....

So much for Jihad only being fought with words...

And would you yourself be willing to murder anyone who does insult "the prophet"...

God save us from this madness...

 

[Robban]

To be honest you can call it whatever you want. I'm not going to beat around the bush here but

Killing someone cold blood for no reason whatsoever is unacceptable in Islam

Killing someone for insulting the Prophet is prescribed in Islam because it is blaspehmy be it non Muslim or Muslim

It has to be made clear here that the punishment as the scholars have said can only be carried out by a judge in Islam, not by the general folk.

Can you explain a little more about insulting the Prophet?
Why is anyone given the right to take another persons life because of an insult?
What does Islam put into "insult"?
I,m asking because I find it difficult to understand.

 

[plenary]

Can you explain a little more about insulting the Prophet?
Why is anyone given the right to take another persons life because of an insult?
What does Islam put into "insult"?
I,m asking because I find it difficult to understand.

It's not that hard to understand... Muhammad was a tyrant... And as such were his directives...

Qur'an 47:33 "Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace."

No, peace is such a hateful thing indeed....

 

[Ayersy]

It's not that hard to understand... Muhammad was a tyrant... And as such were his directives...

The guy loved cats, though. That's a plus!