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Islam doesn't condone terror

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Montalban

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Montalban, you say you'd protect the innocent. I too feel this way. In fact, when someone posts with the intent of spreading hate, I feel compelled to protect them.

Most Christians are peaceful people. Some use their religion as a means to incite violence and hate. Same goes for Muslims. Same goes for most religions. Do try to have a sense of perspective.

I have shown perspective.

I haven't said that all Moslems are terrorists. Or, that all Moslems support terrorism.

I have stated that Islam supports it.

It's based on the fact it was practiced by their founder and has been used by Moslems throughout their history as a means of spreading their faith.

That's what I call 'causal links'.

To look at it another way, and this seems to be one more people understand - Nazism is an ideology that is inherently violent and racist. This doesn't mean that all Nazis killed Jews. In fact one famous Nazi Party member saved over a 1,000 of them - Oscar Schindler.

But I would say it's an error of judgment to say "Ocar Schindler saved Jews therefore Nazism wasn't anti-Jewish".

There's a difference here between a person and an ideology.

Another way of looking at this, when I was a Catholic I thought it was Catholic dogma that the Immaculate Conception referred to the conception of Jesus (it doesn't, it refers to Mary's conception). I've met a great many Catholics who think that, as I used to. They are (like I was) mistaken. Therefore citing a fact that Catholics believe something doesn't mean that Catholicism supports it.

If you ever want to read a great source text, then you can't go past "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom. He shows violent Jihad supported by each of the four major Islamic schools of jurisprudence and he shows consistent commentary by Islamic scholars throughout the history of Islam supporting the use of violence as a means of spreading their faith.

Most people however don't want to deal with this. What about you?

For the most part those that come here to address the thread choose instead to personalise this - to make observations about my motives, etc.
 
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Your perspective is good to go man.It's a shame that the rest of society is in a appeasement mentality.Kinda reminds me of the days of Neville Chamberlain.Back then it was Winston Churchill who was the voice in the wilderness.Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
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Your perspective is good to go man.It's a shame that the rest of society is in a appeasement mentality.Kinda reminds me of the days of Neville Chamberlain.Back then it was Winston Churchill who was the voice in the wilderness.Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I can has Sudetenland?

Where are all these concessions these modern-day Chamberlains have made? Why haven't I been informed of them? I want mine too! :p
 
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Where are all these concessions these modern-day Chamberlains have made? Why haven't I been informed of them? I want mine too!

Therefore the Muslims have to increase in number, as 10% is not enough for them to bully the others... But 40 or 50% would be more than ample...

Because when the numbers of Muslims increases, so does the number of radical islamists. That's just simple statistics...

There's nothing Godly about the Quran or Muhammad...

Iran “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.'”
The Ayatollah Khomeini



"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
Last words from the cockpit of Flight 93.


Oh yes, Allah must have been pleased... The demon Allah that is....
 
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Just to remind you that you cannot harm Allah with what you say about Him (Subhanhu)

وَللَّهِ مَا فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَمَا فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَلَقَدْ وَصَّيْنَا الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَإِيَّـكُمْ أَنِ اتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ وَإِن تَكْفُرُواْ فَإِنَّ للَّهِ مَا فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَمَا فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَنِيّاً حَمِيداً - وَللَّهِ مَا فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَمَا فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلاً

"And to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And verily, We have recommended to the People of the Scripture before you, and to you that you have Taqwa of Allah. But if you disbelieve, then unto Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and Allah is Ever Rich (free of any needs), Worthy of all praise" [The Women, Quran - verse 131]
 
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Killing innocent people does not please God...

And someone who murders someone who is not willing to convert to Islam, is of the devil...


And if you don't understand that simple fact, tough.....

Muhammad's highest law:

Bukhari:V4B52N44 "A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.'"
Christ's highest law:

Mark 12 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
They do not seem to be the same no, do they?

Muslims claim that Christ is a great prophet, but they seem totally ignorant of the most basic features of the doctrine as presented by Christ Himself....

And anyone who as just a little bit of reason, can see the problematic differences between the doctrine of Muhammad and the doctrine of the New-testament, which was in order at the time of Muhammad.....(and still is)


But Muslims have one and only statement: Muhammad is always right.... And that's the whole doctrine of Islam, right there.
 
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therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.-Quran

-and if they incline to peace, you incline to peace-Quran



This is the whole thing...
[4.89-91] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them. You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.


Peace would mean also to stop criticising Islam, and also to stop promoting what you call 'evil', such as my religion because you're meant to oppose evil...

“Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is good: Then will he between whom and you there was hatred become as if he were your close friend” (41:34)

Practicing one's faith is deemed an evil...
"Islam allows marriage to a Christian or Jewish woman, i.e., it permits a man to marry such a woman whilst she continues to follow her religion. The husband does not have the right to force her to become Muslim, or to stop her worshipping in her own way. But he does have the right to forbid her to go out of the house, even if she is going to go out to go to church, because she is commanded to obey him. He also has the right to forbid her to commit evil openly in the house, such as setting up statues or ringing bells"
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/70177
 
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I can has Sudetenland?

Where are all these concessions these modern-day Chamberlains have made? Why haven't I been informed of them? I want mine too! :p

Sorry Henry, no goodies for you because you already enjoy the freedoms of a true REPUBLIC.You also should know that I truly don't see a difference between the Nazi's of old and the Radical Islamist of today.Maybe we can discuss this now.How about it Henry?
 
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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
-- Churchill

The USA is a Representative Republic, well at least it use to be until the far left social communists infiltrated the ranks.Now we have government that whittles away at our freedoms on a daily basis.I don't think there has been a president in the last 20 years that hasn't been a puppet for the globalists.
 
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Islam is slightly more benevolant than Nazism because at least you could convert in Islam.

In Nazism you can't say "I'm no longer Jewish"

Both want to wipe the jews off the face of the earth.Both wanted to rule the world.Both have shown a complete disreguard for human life.Nazism was the greatest threat to life and liberty in it's era. Radical Islam is the greatest threat to life and liberty today.
 
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We dont worship the same God, you worship Jesus we worship Allah, big difference

I agree. Jesus is God, and we worship God.

The links between al-Lah and Muhammed's own tribal 'moon god' have been the subject of much discussion here though.
 
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