Islam attacks Israel

[keras]

It is hard to tell where the current hostilities involving the present events involving Israel as heading short term.

Not hard at all; It will end with the Lord destroying them all. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 49:34-37

On Saturday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted a threat to Israel while calling for all Islamic nations to have a duty to come to the aid of the Palestinians. “With God’s grace, this movement that has started in #Palestine will advance and result in a complete victory for the Palestinians,”

Iran also threatened the United States. Iranian state media quoted Amir-Abdollahian, Irans Foreign Minister, as saying, “”We have conveyed our message to the Zionist regime through its allies that if they do not cease their atrocities in Gaza, Iran cannot simply remain an observer. If the scope of the war expands, significant damages will also be inflicted upon America.“

How do you think they could 'significantly damage' America?

 

[honey badger]

Not hard at all; It will end with the Lord destroying them all. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 49:34-37

On Saturday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted a threat to Israel while calling for all Islamic nations to have a duty to come to the aid of the Palestinians. “With God’s grace, this movement that has started in #Palestine will advance and result in a complete victory for the Palestinians,”

Iran also threatened the United States. Iranian state media quoted Amir-Abdollahian, Irans Foreign Minister, as saying, “”We have conveyed our message to the Zionist regime through its allies that if they do not cease their atrocities in Gaza, Iran cannot simply remain an observer. If the scope of the war expands, significant damages will also be inflicted upon America.“

How do you think they could 'significantly damage' America?

easy ... they could close the Gulf of Hormuz and send oil to $300 a barrel ...

 

[Douggg]

How do you think they could 'significantly damage' America?

I am not into that sort of speculation.

 

[Lost4words]

Iran wouldnt last 5 mins if they instigated an attack. USA are off the cost remember! They would annihilate them!!

No Christians are going to Israel as Keras prophesies!

Nobody knows Gods plan.

 

[honey badger]

Iran wouldnt last 5 mins if they instigated an attack. USA are off the cost remember! They would annihilate them!!

No Christians are going to Israel as Keras prophesies!

Nobody knows Gods plan.

is this the same USA that spent 3 trillion to fight goat herders and got beat ?

 

[Lost4words]

is this the same USA that spent 3 trillion to fight goat herders and got beat ?

Yep!

 

[Douggg]

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - seems like that guy has been leader of Iran a long time ?

 

[keras]

easy ... they could close the Gulf of Hormuz and send oil to $300 a barrel ...

So, to you Bible prophecy has no relevance or fulfilment?

I am not into that sort of speculation.

It isn't speculation to know that Iran has nuclear weapons. They have them and they intend to use them.
They will do it at the right time, as they think, but it will be the Appointed time as God Plans. Romans 1:18

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - seems like that guy has been leader of Iran a long time ?

And the Iranian people are sick of him and his incompetent mullahs. They must act to divert attention from themselves.

 

[Douggg]

And the Iranian people are sick of him and his incompetent mullahs. They must act to divert attention from themselves.

What I read at wikepedia, an assassination attempt was made on him in 1981, rendering his right arm inoperative.

I don't think Iran has nuclear weapons.

 

[guyver]

It isn't speculation to know that Iran has nuclear weapons. They have them and they intend to use them.

I read a few yrs back that the Iranian religious lunatics believe that they need to create world chaos in order to usher in their Mahdi.
If that is so , then what a great opportunity they have at the moment.

 

[RDKirk]

It isn't speculation to know that Iran has nuclear weapons. They have them and they intend to use them.
They will do it at the right time, as they think, but it will be the Appointed time as God Plans. Romans 1:18

It is important to make a distinction between what we know and what we think.

You think Iran has nuclear weapons. You do not have the information to know.

We know, for instance, that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Well, to be more accurate, we know that Pakistan has had nuclear weapons.

 

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[keras]

You think Iran has nuclear weapons. You do not have the information to know.

Iran has been pursuing nuclear power and weapons for years. They hide their facilities and refuse access to the International watchdogs.
Now; why would they threaten the destruction of Haifa and Tel Aviv, plus America, if they could not carry out their boasts?

Jeremiah 49:34, mentions the chief weapon of their might......and when they attempt to use it, the Lord will destroy them.
Could be tomorrow!

 

[RDKirk]

Iran has been pursuing nuclear power and weapons for years. They hide their facilities and refuse access to the International watchdogs.
Now; why would they threaten the destruction of Haifa and Tel Aviv, plus America, if they could not carry out their boasts?

Jeremiah 49:34, mentions the chief weapon of their might......and when they attempt to use it, the Lord will destroy them.
Could be tomorrow!

The same thing was said (and was true) of Saddam Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction."

Sure, he wanted them. Sure, he hid facilities and refused access to the international watchdogs.

And in the end he didn't have them. In fact, within the intelligence community, we knew all along he didn't have them.

So those factors you cited do not prove that Iran has them.

 

[keras]

So those factors you cited do not prove that Iran has them.

In Isaiah 21:2b....Go up Elam, to the siege! Then in Isaiah 22:6...Elam took up the quiver...... A quiver: a receptacle for war arrows.

Here God is actually encouraging Elam, Iran to attack Israel. He does this, so then He will destroy them, partly by making their own weapons recoil against themselves. Psalms 7:12-16

 

[mindlight]

On Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported that "Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas's Saturday surprise attack and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday." The Journal's sources include senior members of both Hamas and Hezbollah.

Standing behind Hamas is the Islamic Republic of Iran which has long both threatened and incited genocide against Israelis. Iran's rulers provide funds, weapons, and training not only to Hamas but also to Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and a long list of other terrorist groups. Ali Khamenei, the Islamic Republic's Supreme Leader, has been praising the attacks, vowing that the "Zionist regime will be eradicated at the hands of the Palestinian people and the Resistance forces throughout the region."

Amidst the turmoil and distressing events that have captivated global attention, a lurking malevolence emerges – the involvement of Iran. The actions of Hamas are actually, a thinly veiled smokescreen aimed at diverting attention from their intention to ‘wipe Israel off the map’. . These operations include opening additional fronts after sapping Israel psychologically and militarily within the Gaza Strip.

This serves the dual purpose of diverting global focus from the Iranian build up along Israel's borders. Initiating multiple combat fronts against Israel concurrently is a meticulously rehearsed scenario, accompanied by an evaluation of Israel's response strategies. Israel's reliance on established rules of warfare, coupled with the international and regional response to its actions as a recognized state, contrasts starkly with the unbounded operational latitude of terrorist organizations, who ignore international legal constraints.

Iranian Defence Minister Amir Hatami dedicated an entire speech to threats against Israel, warning provocations by Jerusalem would result in Tehran destroying Haifa and Tel Aviv. How Iran will attempt to do that, is by firing nuke tipped missiles.

This is exactly as Prophesied in the Bible: Isaiah 21:2 & 22:6, Zechariah 5:1-11 They will not succeed, as their nefarious attack will ‘call forth the wrath of the Lord. Ezekiel 7:14, and the result will be their demise. Jeremiah 49:34-37, Ezekiel 32:24-25

There is no doubt Iran backs Hamas, though it also backs Hezbollah who are better armed and doing nothing right now. Iran has been annoyed at attempts by the USA since the Abrams Accords to bring rapprochement between the Sunnis led by Saudia Arabia and Israel. Obviously, this attack sabotages that as the pictures of the human suffering of the Palestinians render a handshake with Israel toxic to local Arab Leaders.

I have been shocked by the anti-semitism of a great many Muslim immigrants here in Germany. They are attacking German "Holocaust Guilt" as the reason Germany is supporting Israel. For most Germans, it is shocking to hear anti-semitic slogans here as the country has done its best to purge this out since WW2. But extreme Muslims, legacy Nazis and rabid leftists are all sabotaging that genuine progress.

Gaza is a powder keg and even the removal of Hamas will not fully solve the problem. Basically the main problem there is demographic pressure and economic failure combined with closed borders with the Arab world. The anger and frustration are expressed in an extremist commitment to false religion and dumb terrorism and can only grow unless these people are allowed to migrate elsewhere in the Arab world. However Arab countries continue to prohibit this and use the Palestinian people as bargaining chips with Israel. It is time for the Arab nations to simply accept that it is over, Israel won and they are not getting the land back.

Maybe only the Messiah can resolve this issue. Until then I think you just have to pick a side, I side with Israel. But with the proviso that they do all they can to minimize the loss of innocent life.

 

[mindlight]

The same thing was said (and was true) of Saddam Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction."

Sure, he wanted them. Sure, he hid facilities and refused access to the international watchdogs.

And in the end he didn't have them. In fact, within the intelligence community, we knew all along he didn't have them.

So those factors you cited do not prove that Iran has them.

Sadam used biological WMDs in the war with Iran and against his own people. There were better grounds to believe he had them than with Iran and nukes.

The effort by Iran is clearly there. Iran has seen continual attacks on its real attempts to create bombs with STUXNET and the assassination of nuclear scientists by Israel

 

[RDKirk]

Sadam used biological WMDs in the war with Iran and against his own people. There were better grounds to believe he had them than with Iran and nukes.

We had solid intelligence that Saddam did not have the "stockpiles of WMD" that Cheney and Rumsfeld claimed. DIA even let that much leak to the public. Oh, he did want them, but he did not have them.

 

[mindlight]

We had solid intelligence that Saddam did not have the "stockpiles of WMD" that Cheney and Rumsfeld claimed. DIA even let that much leak to the public. Oh, he did want them, but he did not have them.

That makes things sound much more certain than they actually appeared. With hindsight, it is clear he had no WMD program, but at the time it came down to which intelligence sources you selected. The intelligence community may have weighed the evidence 80-20 against WMDs but the politicians were bound to seize on the 20% and trust dubious HUMINT sources over hard evidence. A decade after occupying the place it was obvious that all Iraqis were liars speaking for their own advantage and could not be trusted but less so before events kicked off. Politicians always hear what they want to hear until they get badly burned doing that. Compare Biden's failure in Afghanistan versus his success in Ukraine.

It has been suggested that some human intelligence may have been purposeful deception by the Iraqi intelligence and security services, while exiles and defectors may have provided other intelligence seeking to influence U.S. policy.

Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction

 

[RDKirk]

That makes things sound much more certain than they actually appeared. With hindsight, it is clear he had no WMD program, but at the time it came down to which intelligence sources you selected. The intelligence community may have weighed the evidence 80-20 against WMDs but the politicians were bound to seize on the 20% and trust dubious HUMINT sources over hard evidence.

It's not "hindsight" when the weatherman told you it was raining and you got wet anyway...that's just stupidity. You have to ask why the heck the country is paying so much for its intelligence assets if politicians are just going to use a Ouija board.

I was enormously frustrated when toward the end of the invasion, US ground forces stumbled upon the burial locations of the old Iraqi chemical warheads. I was frustrated because we had known where those were all along. By "we" I mean those of us who were working the intel back in the early 90s.

Back them, nobody, not even the US, had a method of safely destroying Sabin. The Iraqis had no option but to bury the components...and we knew back then where they were buried because we watched them being buried.

But that information was sitting in SCI databases to which the poor ground forces in Iraq a decade later had no access. And the young analysts who had current access didn't know the information was there. It was an "unknown known." Frustrating.