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[simonthezealot]

My contention is what good is the law for those who don't know it?

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I believe Romans 2 addresses this...right? isn't it written on our hearts..All peoples hearts?
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I agree. I can see the role of the law in people realizing their need for a Savior, which is Simon's point . . . I think. My contention is what good is the law for those who don't know it?

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Man shall LIVE by EVERY WORD of God.

Hard place to find.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Man shall LIVE by EVERY WORD of God.

Hard place to find.

Don't the Jews do that also

 

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Don't the Jews do that also

They too will LIVE by EVERY WORD of God.

Hard place to find lloj.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

They too will LIVE by EVERY WORD of God.

Hard place to find lloj.

They should as JESUS came to them first

John 7:1 And was walking, the Jesus, after these in the Galilee for not He willed in the Judea to be walking, that the Judeans sought Him to kill. [Isaiah 9:1/Matt 4:14]

 

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I believe Romans 2 addresses this...right? isn't it written on our hearts..All peoples hearts?
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Jes 'tween u n me simon, any preacher that says believe like I say or you will die and fry I avoid for the MANipulators that they are. Were they true people of God they would stand in line to burn alive forever first for those they manipulate and condemn.

Preaching hell can be a great short term business plan, I'm sure. J. Edwards probably had a pretty good gig going with it.

 

[simonthezealot]

Jes 'tween u n me simon, any preacher that says believe like I say or you will die and fry I avoid for the MANipulators that they are..

Not sure i ever heard anyone say that...

 

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Not sure i ever heard anyone say that...

Who are you kidding? That IS the fulcrum of nearly every christian organization IS IT NOT???

The only place you won't (typically) hear this OUTRIGHT is in the RCC and some more liberal pews. They 'mask' it better, but it's still there under everything they say and do.

 

[simonthezealot]

Who are you kidding? That IS the fulcrum of nearly every christian organization IS IT NOT???

The only place you won't (typically) hear this OUTRIGHT is in the RCC and some more liberal pews. They 'mask' it better, but it's still there under everything they say and do.

My church for example is split about 60/40 between what i'd call 2 to 3 point calvinists (arminians) and 4-5 point calvinist...One of our last pastors sent one son to liberty university (arminian) and one to northwest bible (calvinist)
The requirement is to hold scripture up as the word of God, and Christ as the only way to salvation, respond and repent.

 

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They should as JESUS came to them first

John 7:1 And was walking, the Jesus, after these in the Galilee for not He willed in the Judea to be walking, that the Judeans sought Him to kill. [Isaiah 9:1/Matt 4:14]

Naw, it's our turn now. And when we start to look at them with the eyes you just shared with me, we are very close to completion.


"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"

You didn't know that 'one reason' you are saved is to PROVOKE JEWS to jealousy?

Here is 'how' you provoke them:

"For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"

These people remain LOCKED AWAY until YOU and I bring THIS:

"Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy."



enjoy!

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Who are you kidding? That IS the fulcrum of nearly every christian organization IS IT NOT???

The only place you won't (typically) hear this OUTRIGHT is in the RCC and some more liberal pews. They 'mask' it better, but it's still there under everything they say and do.

Really? So now we get to bring up the RCC again?
Do not resist the Holy Spirit

Acts 18:6 Of resisting yet of them and of blaspheming/blasfhmountwn <987> (5723) shaking out the garments he said toward them "the blood of ye on the head of ye. Clean I from the present, into the nations I shall be going"

Reve 16:11 And they blaspheme/eblasfhmhsan <987> (5656) the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them

 

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My church for example is split about 60/40 between what i'd call 2 to 3 point calvinists (arminians) and 4-5 point calvinist...One of our last pastors sent one son to liberty university (arminian) and one to northwest bible (calvinist)
The requirement is to hold scripture up as the word of God, and Christ as the only way to salvation, respond and repent.

Exactly. OR ELSE.

I do not sit in the OR ELSE pews any longer. These do not love my fellow man. I have no excuse NOT TO. His Love was not reduced to the OR ELSE for me. I will not reduce His Love to an OR ELSE for others.

 

[simonthezealot]

Exactly. OR ELSE.

I do not sit in the OR ELSE pews any longer. These do not love my fellow man. I have no excuse NOT TO. His Love was not reduced to the OR ELSE for me. I will not reduce His Love to an OR ELSE for others.

I mispoke maybe not requirements rather statements of faith.

 

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I mispoke maybe not requirements rather statements of faith.

Same difference. If there is one commonality it is the OR ELSE. The only common doctrine.

 

[simonthezealot]

Same difference. If there is one commonality it is the OR ELSE. The only common doctrine.

Whatever squint. Sounds like unity is a bad thing in your view...
But I digress this is pujols thread and we are sidetracking here...

 

[Rhamiel]

I'm glad you find life in it. It's not for me however. Wonder how many 25 year olds today would find life in liturgical churches?

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oh I imagine a lot
I have only been to one Traditional Latin Mass, most of the people there were young couples in there mid to late 20's
lol no babyboomers though, just people in there 20's and people in there 80's

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Whatever squint. Sounds like unity is a bad thing in your view...
But I digress this is pujols thread and we are sidetracking here...

I wonder what Paul would say to that

1Corinthians 3:3 For still fleshly ye are for whereas in ye envying and strife, [and divisions].
Not? fleshly ye are and according to man walk-about

1Corinthians 11:18 For foremost indeed of coming together ye in *the assembly [GT board?] I am hearing schisms/divisions in ye to be firstly, and part some I am believing it.

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

I love liturgical worship and I especially love chanting. Hymns written in the 1950's sound dated but liturgical worship transcends contemporary culture. Among younger people many are now converting and going to more liturgical worship services--I think they are seeking something different from the culture that they see around them.

I'm sure that's true of some . . . but by and large not the majority. In fact, I would say a very slim number of college age kids and 30 somethings would attend a liturgical service.

My family has visited other churches but my four year old and two year old have a real hard time participating in more contemporary worship. In liturgical worship there is enough repitition each week that they can participate through most of the service. The vestments and furnishings also help teach them.

That's great. I'm glad you find it life giving.

They know that when they are worshipping in God's house they aren't just at some random rock concert or at the mall.

That's not accurate. Sterotype.

As for the preaching, the message should remain constant--Jesus Christ crucified. I do think that ministers should find ways to communicate that message in different ways to different people in different cultural situations, but the message itself should never be neglected.

Couldn't agree more.

I always found the Christian rip offs of such music to be insulting and I loved old liturgical Christian music because it had a character all its own--it truly was Christian music, not just "Jesus" inserted for a song about someone's girlfriend.

Where do you think liturgical songs came from. They are a ripoff from the culture of their day. Hymns were new once upon a time.

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Whatever squint. Sounds like unity is a bad thing in your view...

Sorry. You get my 'cause squint to laugh out loud' award today.

But I digress this is pujols thread and we are sidetracking here...

Steeerike 2....

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

What about those who KNOW it and don't follow/obey it

Luke 18:20 The commandments thou have known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

Revelation 9:21 And not they reform/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the Murders/fonwn <5408> of them, nor out from their sorceries/far-makeiwn <5331>

That's so right it's scary. The message of sin is more for the relgious, not for the sinner.

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