Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Kylie]

It cannot be tested because it is a religious belief and science cannot be used to confirm or reject a religious belief. On the other hand religious beliefs cannot be used to confirm or reject scientific conclusions.

If it applies to reality, then it can be tested.

If it can not be tested, then how do you know it applies to reality?

 

[Kylie]

1491 BC

And what is your evidence to support this claim?

Actual evidence, please, AV. Something which can be tested independently.

 

[AV1611VET]

And what is your evidence to support this claim?

As I have said many times, I use Ussher's dates for the sake of Occam's razor.

Actual evidence, please, AV. Something which can be tested independently.

I'm glad to report that the evidence fled the scene of the "crime" and is no longer in Egypt or the Sinai, but in the Promised Land.

Do you know where that is?

 

[Platte]

Why does that matter? Genesis is *way* newer than history.

You’ll see when you answer

 

[Hans Blaster]

You’ll see when you answer

It doens't matter. Genesis doesn't read like a history. I reads like myth and legend. It reads as the story a people tell about themselves using characters from the far distant and ill defined past. I was shocked a how obviously mythical it was the first time I read it.

 

[sjastro]

1491 BC

Houston we have a problem.
If this is the accepted date according to some dude in the 17th century then the pharaoh concerned is no other than Thutmose II.
Unfortunately for you we have the body and it appears that poor Thutmose didn't die by drowning in the Red sea but possibly of some infectious disease.

Pathology​

Royal Mummy of Thutmose II, in exposition

Thutmose II supposedly died in his early 30’s, of an unknown condition. The analysis of his mummy revealed he had been a weak man in life, thin and shrunken, with little muscle mass, and his skin was covered in lesions and scars that could not be disguised by the embalming process. His skin condition could be a signal of an infectious disease that led to his death. His head also had bald patches.

Even if his death was uncertain this guy was in no physical condition to chase Hebrews around in the desert on a chariot.

 

[Platte]

It doens't matter. Genesis doesn't read like a history. I reads like myth and legend. It reads as the story a people tell about themselves using characters from the far distant and ill defined past. I was shocked a how obviously mythical it was the first time I read it.

Of course it does (read like a myth). It’s talking about creation!

recorded history begins with the accounts of the ancient world around the 4th millennium BC. In Mesopotamia.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Of course it does (read like a myth). It’s talking about creation!

which as you imply is a myth (I agree.)

recorded history begins with the accounts of the ancient world around the 4th millennium BC. In Mesopotamia.

I knew you were going here and that's why I wasn't playing your game. This is irrelevant for either the claim that the Earth is 6000 years old as a historical "fact" and that Genesis is history.

 

[AV1611VET]

Houston we have a problem.

Houston, they sure do.

If this is the accepted date according to some dude in the 17th century then the pharaoh concerned is no other than Thutmose II.
Unfortunately for you we have the body and it appears that poor Thutmose didn't die by drowning in the Red sea but possibly of some infectious disease.

Is this according to Conventional Egyptian Chronology, the New Egyptian Chronology, or the Glasgow Chronology?

 

[Platte]

which as you imply is a myth (I agree.)


I knew you were going here and that's why I wasn't playing your game. This is irrelevant for either the claim that the Earth is 6000 years old as a historical "fact" and that Genesis is history.

Recorded history is 6000 years old. And Begins in Mesopotamia. You write that off as coincidence? Both time and location?

 

[Kylie]

As I have said many times, I use Ussher's dates for the sake of Occam's razor.

I'm glad to report that the evidence fled the scene of the "crime" and is no longer in Egypt or the Sinai, but in the Promised Land.

Do you know where that is?

Can you produce the evidence?

Yes or no.

If yes, then present it.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ok when and where does recorded history begin then?

No one human knows, Platte ... and we just have to be "ok" with that.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Better to have questions raised on the physical evidence provided by archaeology rather than purely historical accounts which may reflect the bias of the writer.
There are Christians who have a literal interpretation of the Bible, the same applied to Roman historians such as Tacitus.
Tacitus believed Christians were into cannibalism and incest as Romans had a literal interpretation of the Eucharist and brotherly love in the Bible.

Yes, but I wasn't contesting your point. I was simply adding another point to what you've said as a form of agreement with you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Recorded history is 6000 years old. And Begins in Mesopotamia. You write that off as coincidence? Both time and location?

Writing begins in Mesopotamia about 5500 years ago, and yes, I do write that off as coincidence. The actual history of the region extends back clearly for several thousand years prior to the first writing.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I have no qualms in believing academia prefers the Mesopotamian mythologies ten-to-one over the AV1611 Bible.

None whatsoever.

I'm academia and I don't prefer the Mesopotamian myths. So, I wonder what gives in my thinking?

 

[Platte]

Writing begins in Mesopotamia about 5500 years ago, and yes, I do write that off as coincidence. The actual history of the region extends back clearly for several thousand years prior to the first writing.

Hmmm. Recorded history begins in the same general time and place of creation. Interesting. Yeah. I agree just coincidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm academia and I don't prefer the Mesopotamian myths.

What do you know that Public Hermit doesn't then?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Hmmm. Recorded history begins in the same general time and place of creation. Interesting. Yeah. I agree just coincidence.

Since the Earth wasn't created then it really isn't a coincidence.

Writing isn't the only way to illustrate history (as has already been said). Examination of the physical artifacts of a civilization is important because people don't always provide truthful written records.

 

[sjastro]

Houston, they sure do.

Is this according to Conventional Egyptian Chronology, the New Egyptian Chronology, or the Glasgow Chronology?

Perhaps you should do a bit of researching before posting.
New Egyptian Chronology is not only widely criticized by mainstream it is not even applicable to Thutmose II's reign who was an 18th dynasty pharaoh; New Egyptian Chronology only applies to pharaohs from the 19th to 25th dynasties.
Since Glasgow Chronology has its inspiration from Immanuel Velikovsky who put a capital C in the word crank, it cannot be taken seriously.

So yes Houston we still have a problem Thutmose II the guy covered in lesions and scars, who might have died from an infectious disease and had a wasted body too weak to parade around on a chariot is your man in the Exodus who ended up drowning in the Red sea while on his chariot.

 

[AV1611VET]

So yes Houston we still have a problem Thutmose II the guy covered in lesions and scars, who might have died from an infectious disease and had a wasted body too weak to parade around on a chariot is your man in the Exodus who ended up drowning in the Red sea while on his chariot.

Nice try, Astro.

Thutmose II, (flourished 2nd millennium bce), 18th-dynasty king (reigned c. 1482–79 bce) of ancient Egypt who suppressed a revolt in Nubia, Egypt’s territory to the south, and also sent a punitive expedition to Palestine against some Bedouins.

SOURCE

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